The New Jerusalem of Revelation 21 is All Israel, That Is, All Saved People

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The New Jerusalem of Revelation 21 is All Israel, That Is, All Saved People

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"THe NEW Jerusalem doesn't come down out of Heaven until the OLD heaven and Earth are destroyed and the unsaved are thrown into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21
New King James Version (NKJV)
21 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, John,[a] saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

Revelation 21: "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. "


"And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11. Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
12. And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
13. On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
14. And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15. And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
16. And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
17. And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
18. And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
19. And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20. The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
21. And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22. And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26. And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27. And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. "

The New Jerusalem is said to be "prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. "

Who is the Bride of Christ? In several scriptures the metaphor of the bridegroom is used to describe Jesus Christ, and so his people, those in him, who are saved, are the bride. Matthew 25: 1-12 is one of these texts where Christ is the bridegroom. The parable of the wedding in Matthew 22 implies that a bridegroom marries a bride. a parable of Christ marrying his people who will be with him forever. In this parable, verses 12-13 a guy slipped into the marriage of the Lamb without having on a proper wedding garment.. "And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth ."

In the parable, the bride of Christ is all Israel, that is, all people who are saved are of Israel. This is the bride of Christ pictured as the New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven. Paul in Galatians 4: 24-26 says "Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. "

Paul's Jerusalem in Galatians 4 is not a literal city. We could say its the Body of Christ, or All Israel. As such, it is an identity in Jesus Christ. Its foundation is the 12 Apostles, but this does not mean the New Jerusalem is of the Old Covenant; rather it is the Body of Christ as Israel reborn in Him.
 
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Sorry heb. 12 said you are wrong
 

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Sorry heb. 12 said you are wrong
Hebrews 12:22-29
22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
25See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
26Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29For our God is a consuming fire.
 
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The new jerusalem is speaking of a future when this heaven and earth have passed away and new ones take its place.

The old jerusalem is still here, it still belongs a covenant land to the children of Abraham, Isaac ans Jacob. They just are not there now because of their sin.
 
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The New Jerusalem of Revelation 21 is All Israel, That Is, All Saved People

I wrote this for the thread, "Do You Stand With Israel." But the system showed an error message, Your submission could not be processed because a security token was missing.
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"THe NEW Jerusalem doesn't come down out of Heaven until the OLD heaven and Earth are destroyed and the unsaved are thrown into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21
New King James Version (NKJV)
21 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, John,[a] saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

Revelation 21: "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. "


"And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11. Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
12. And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
13. On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
14. And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15. And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
16. And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
17. And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
18. And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
19. And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20. The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
21. And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22. And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26. And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27. And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. "

The New Jerusalem is said to be "prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. "

Who is the Bride of Christ? In several scriptures the metaphor of the bridegroom is used to describe Jesus Christ, and so his people, those in him, who are saved, are the bride. Matthew 25: 1-12 is one of these texts where Christ is the bridegroom. The parable of the wedding in Matthew 22 implies that a bridegroom marries a bride. a parable of Christ marrying his people who will be with him forever. In this parable, verses 12-13 a guy slipped into the marriage of the Lamb without having on a proper wedding garment.. "And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth ."

In the parable, the bride of Christ is all Israel, that is, all people who are saved are of Israel. This is the bride of Christ pictured as the New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven. Paul in Galatians 4: 24-26 says "Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. "

Paul's Jerusalem in Galatians 4 is not a literal city. We could say its the Body of Christ, or All Israel. As such, it is an identity in Jesus Christ. Its foundation is the 12 Apostles, but this does not mean the New Jerusalem is of the Old Covenant; rather it is the Body of Christ as Israel reborn in Him.
Thanx for your posts, as always. :)
 
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Love is not just a feeling it is an action. With creation like begats like so to with love, only by love can love be awakened.
 
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Love is not just a feeling it is an action. With creation like begats like so to with love, only by love can love be awakened.
This was meant for a different thread
 
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I believe New Jerusalem refers to the peace that descends into our lives when we repent of our sin.
 
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The apostle Paul, when using the expression “the Israel of God,” shows that it has nothing to do with whether one is a circumcised descendant of Abraham or not, but refers to spiritual Israel rather than to racial descendants of Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel. (Genesis 32:28; Galatians 6:15, 16) The Bible speaks of “Israel in a fleshly way” (1Corinthians 10:18), as well as spiritual Israel made up of those for whom descent from Abraham is not a requirement.-Matthew 3:9.

With the passing out of the old, the new covenant was made with those who become spiritual Jews. This meant that not only natural-born Jews, but also non-Jews could be brought into this new covenant arrangement and thus become spiritual Jews. Fleshly descent from Abraham’s loins, consequently, does not reckon one as belonging to Abraham’s “seed”, to whom the promises are made. Not circumcision in the flesh, but circumcision of the heart proves a person to be a true Jew in God’s sight. (Deuteronomy 10:16; 30:6; Jeremiah. 4:4) Righteousness was imputed to Abraham before he underwent any surgical operation on his flesh. (Genesis. 17:9-14, 23-27) So also, those that become spiritual Israelites, having the same faith Abraham had, are justified because of such faith. They are then begotten with God’s spirit, and thus become spiritual children, part of God’s new nation, indeed true Judeans, that is, praisers of Jehovah. The name Judah means “praise.”-Genesis 29:35.
 
The prophet Hosea foretold that God, in rejecting the nation of natural Israel in favor of this spiritual nation, which includes Gentiles, would say “to those not my people: ‘You are my people.’” (Hosea 2:23; Romans 9:22-26) In due time, the Kingdom of God was taken away from the nation of natural Jews and given to a spiritual nation bringing forth Kingdom fruitage. (Matthew 21:43) To be sure, natural Jews were included in spiritual Israel. The apostles and others who received Holy Spirit at Pentecost in 33 C.E. (about 120), those added on that day (about 3,000), and those that later increased the number to about 5,000 were all Jews and proselytes. (Acts 1:13-15; 2:41; 4:4) But even at that, they were, as Isaiah described them, “a mere remnant” saved out of that cast-off nation.-Isaiah 10:21, 22; Romans 9:27.
 
Other scriptures elaborate on this matter. With the breaking off of some “natural branches” of the figurative olive tree, there was a grafting in of “wild” non-Israelite ones, so that there was no racial or class distinction among those that “are really Abraham’s seed, heirs with reference to a promise.” (Romans 11:17-24; Galatians 3:28, 29) “Not all who spring from Israel are really ‘Israel.” “For he is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision that which is on the outside upon the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and his circumcision is that of the heart by spirit.” (Romans 9:6; 2:28, 29) Natural Israel failed to produce the required number, so God “turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name” (Acts 15:14), concerning whom it was said, “You were once not a people, but are now God’s people.” (1Peter 2:10) The apostle Peter quoted what had been said to natural Israel and applied it to this spiritual Israel of God, saying it is in reality “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession.”-Exodus 19:5, 6; 1Peter 2:9.