...and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us

[wwjd_kilden]

I see a lot of tendencies on this site, among both members and moderators, to judge the actions of others very harshly.

Yes the bible tells us to correct people who sin, but it is very clear that we are not to judge


What do you all think that part of the Lords prayer mean?....

Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us

I personally think it is quite simple:
If you say something is a terrible terrible sin and that people having done it should have so- and so be done to them because of it, you ask God to judge you the same way. If you say something will send someone to hell (irellevant of their faith) you say God should send you to hell too, because in Gods eyes, sin is sin.... isn't it?

The ONLY unforgivable sin in the bible is blasphemy against the holy spirit!

 

[gb9]

amen!! something i have thought myself.

 

[cronjecj]

zal je me vergeven?

 

[Abiding]

There are many duties we have in the body and in the world.
Many exhortations to judge. And a few types of judgement forbidden.

We are not to walk in the dark with these duties, we are given complete
instructions as to how to carry the dutys out.

For example to the world speak truth to them. With the intent to
preach the gospel.

To the body we are to reprove rebuke exhort. How? that is as well
explained in Timothy.

If one is in sin and a true believer than he is sensitive and needs
only gentle support to restore him.

Im thinking of where it says to be harsh....hmmm...still thinking...ha

 

[lydever91]

I see a lot of tendencies on this site, among both members and moderators, to judge the actions of others very harshly.

Yes the bible tells us to correct people who sin, but it is very clear that we are not to judge


What do you all think that part of the Lords prayer mean?....

Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us

I personally think it is quite simple:
If you say something is a terrible terrible sin and that people having done it should have so- and so be done to them because of it, you ask God to judge you the same way. If you say something will send someone to hell (irellevant of their faith) you say God should send you to hell too, because in Gods eyes, sin is sin.... isn't it?

The ONLY unforgivable sin in the bible is blasphemy against the holy spirit!

John 7:24 says that we are to judge, but righteously:

John 7:24

24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

You wouldn't allow a devil-stamped object in your home, would you?


In that portion of the Lord's prayer we are asking Him to forgive us, for we forgive those who sin against us.

The Bible says that we are to forgive those who sin against us 490 times:

Matthew 18:21-22

21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

yes, but the point is, when somone says "being gay means you go to hell", "being unfaithful means you go to hell", they forget that any and all sin, orginally means you go to hell. Even saying "you fool". If it wasnt for the blood of Jesus we would all be lost.

So, we are to tell people to stop sinning, but leave the rest to God. People have been given free will by God to choose.

 

[jonathanbchristian]

We should forgive people yet at the same time we can tell them they are sinning. God tells us what is a sin; it is not judging to say, "the Bible says that is a sin." That is God's judgement not ours.

 

[lydever91]

yes, but the point is, when somone says "being gay means you go to hell", "being unfaithful means you go to hell", they forget that any and all sin, orginally means you go to hell. Even saying "you fool". If it wasnt for the blood of Jesus we would all be lost.

So, we are to tell people to stop sinning, but leave the rest to God. People have been given free will by God to choose.

Leviticus 20:13
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Matthew 5:31-32
31 ¶ It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: Deut. 24.1-4 · Mt. 19.7 · Mk. 10.4
32 but I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. Mt. 19.9 · Mk. 10.11, 12 · Lk. 16.18 · 1 Cor. 7.10, 11

The extra verse positions are where you can look up more references for the topic.


If you do not repent (meaning do not turn back to the sin, or look back, as Lot's wife did) you will go to Hell. It would be a sin not to share that information.
It's not simply saying "thou fool" (Matthew 5:22) that gets you into trouble. It's the name calling that lowers your self. We are to speak as the oracles of God (1Peter 4:11). God wouldn't curse at one, would he? No.

11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth; that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ: to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

Irrelevant of the topic

If you have told them it is sin, it is up to them.
Your job is telling them it is sin, NOT judging their actions

(if a man stole your car, would you report it, or tell the man yourself "you get a X dollar fine"?

 

[wwjd_kilden]

We should forgive people yet at the same time we can tell them they are sinning. God tells us what is a sin; it is not judging to say, "the Bible says that is a sin." That is God's judgement not ours.

Yes, this I agree with. Of course we have to let people know it's sin. But some people don't make the distinction between "that is sin" and "woe you terrible person you will burn for that (but I will not because I am better than you)"

 

[pickles]

I wonder sometimes that maby, we have confused condemnation with judgement.
To accuse, condemn is satan's work.
But when we in Jesus are sealed unto God, we will recieve a rightous and fair judgement.
Maby Im not saying this very well, I just know that in Jesus, I am sealed and no longer under the condemnation or satan's accusations.
But sealed unto the rightousness and good judgement of God Our Father.
Who's understanding, we cannot fathom.
Maby , if we stopped condemning, and rested more in this rightous judgement, the words we witess to, would be heard.
But, there is still so much more I need to learn, I just wonder why sometimes, that Jesus would say, go and sin no more.
And His words would be recieved with joy and obedience.
But somehow, when we witness to this, so many reject the words?
I believe it is because they could see and hear the love of Jesus.
Yet, maby our words are somehow empty, for maby we have no love in them.
But like I said, Im still learning.

May we forgive, as we are forgiven!
All is your glory and praise Lord God, thankyou for your gift of salvation and grace given in Jesus!!!

 

[loveme1]

If I can be forgiven for my many trespasses against My Yahvah God , who am I to not forgive a fellow sister or brother who trespass against a wretch like me?

If Almighty Yahvah God forgives me, how dare i not forgive another, he is righteous and forgives me, and me being a wretch will hold another for crossing me ?

 

[destiny]

I think this is a conditional issue. Forgive that u may be forgiven.
It is an opinional give that u may be given. If u didn't forgive ur human ur heavenly father will not forgive u.

 

[Canadian36]

Yes very well said

 

[Tommy4Christ]

If you are in bondage to sins of the flesh and consider yourself a Christian then you are a false Christian:

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are clearly revealed, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lustfulness,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, fightings, jealousies, angers, rivalries, divisions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 envyings, murders, drunkennesses, revelings, and things like these; of which I tell you before, as I also said before, that they who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Those who are spiritual judge all things, and only if thier obedience is fulfilled:

2Co 10:6 and having readiness to avenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

We are to forgive all who trespass against us, BUT God doesnt wink at sin as listed above, and I am talking about willful deliberate rebellion against Him!

Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turns from his righteousness and does injustice, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked do, shall he live? All his righteousness that he has done shall not be remembered; in his trespass that he has trespassed, and in his sin that he has sinned, in them he shall die.

Do not play around with sin and disobedience, the Bible is clear, the soul who sins shall die, all sin isn't the same, but if you are in willful disobedience to God and His commands then you are in jeopardy od loosing your soul!

You must go back and do your first works.

Rev 2:5 Therefore remember from where you have fallen, and repent, and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and will remove your lamp-stand out of its place unless you repent.

Here is biblical repentance, check it out it can save your soul and the souls of your loved ones IF they have an ear to hear, Remember Jesus came to divide the sheep from the goats, the holy from the profane, the double minded from the pure, and truth from error, its a very narrow road, flee Babylon(your church) seek His mercy through real repentance and walk an obedient faith in love and devotion to Him, putting to death the lust of the eyes, flesh, and pride of life!

repentance unto salvation!​

Repentance is an urgent desire to change! (2 Corinthians 7:11) You believe from your heart. You obey to receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:32) He comes into a clean vessel. A heart made pure by faith (obedience) Acts 15:9) you obey and keep obeying, daily, to keep your heart pure and undefiled from the world! (1 Peter 1:22) That's how it works! Genuine repentance involves humility, brokenness and is a humiliating experience. When the true light of God's word floods into your soul, you see yourself as you are, in rebellion to God! This is what godly sorrow is all about. Deep regret for your sin's, a season of sorrow, leading to salvation! (2 Corinthians 7:10) not getting saved in your disobedience and sin's, but out of them, through true repentance first where the flesh is crucified with Christ, and put to death! (Galatians 2:20) cleansed to receive the Holy Spirit!

Now you got salvation!​

 

[wwjd_kilden]

tommy

again, yes, we must repent
yes we must tell people to repent

but once you have said "that is sin", you should leave it to God, it is not your job to carry out the sentence.
The problem with humans is wheteher we do it knowingly or not, we tend to see some sin as more and some as less severe, however God is clear that ANY sin will seperate us from Him. Thus if you as much as think a bad thought the same day as you correct someone for, let's say swearing, you are just as bad as him in Gods eyes.

- Which is why it is so wonderful that Jesus died for us, knowing we would act this this way.

- Yes we are to repent, but we must also remember some things are harder to repent from than othersm so we should not judge.

 

[enochson]

I see a lot of tendencies on this site, among both members and moderators, to judge the actions of others very harshly.

Yes the bible tells us to correct people who sin, but it is very clear that we are not to judge


What do you all think that part of the Lords prayer mean?....

Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us

I personally think it is quite simple:
If you say something is a terrible terrible sin and that people having done it should have so- and so be done to them because of it, you ask God to judge you the same way. If you say something will send someone to hell (irellevant of their faith) you say God should send you to hell too, because in Gods eyes, sin is sin.... isn't it?

The ONLY unforgivable sin in the bible is blasphemy against the holy spirit!

Jesus forfill this it's a done deal get it? Oh by the way he did all the others allso. Then he gave it as a gift to all men. PEACE ON EARTH GOOD WELL TO ALL MEN this was the frist thing that was preach by god to man at his son brith! GET IT?

 

[wwjd_kilden]

 

[RedTent]

Remember the story in 1 and 2 Kings when Elijah brought the terrible drought to the people because they were worshipping other Gods? God had given him the power to do that. But it wasn’t Elijah who brought it to an end, it was God after he spoke to Elijah in a soft voice, teaching Elijah to use softness in teaching, not only punishment. Even the great prophet Elijah had to be taught compassion and kindness.

Our God is beyond our comprehension He is so great. We can report what He has taught us, but we can’t use it for punishing others, even (as someone here posted) to say “you fool”. When we take over what belongs to God, it is trying to make ourselves God.