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Forbidding to marry and abstain from foods
Genesis 9:3
Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.
Colossians 2:16
Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.
Isaiah 11:6-9
The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together; and a little child shall lead them. The cow and the bear shall graze; their young shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. The nursing child shall play over the hole of the cobra, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder's den. They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.
Colossians 2:20-23
If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” (referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.
1 Corinthians 10:31
So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.
Romans 14:1-23
As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
Luke 7:33
For John the Baptist has come eating no bread and drinking no wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon.’
1 Timothy 3:8
Deacons likewise must be dignified, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine, not greedy for dishonest gain.
Colossians 2:17
These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.
Ephesians 5:18
And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit,
1 Corinthians 11:23-26
For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.
1 Corinthians 11:2-16
Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you. But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven. For if a wife will not cover her head, then she should cut her hair short. But since it is disgraceful for a wife to cut off her hair or shave her head, let her cover her head.
1 Corinthians 11:1-34
Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ. Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you. But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven.
1 Corinthians 6:12
“All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be enslaved by anything.
1 Corinthians 3:16-17
Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.
Romans 14:3
Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.
Romans 14:21
It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble.
Isaiah 65:25
It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble.
Isaiah 65:25
The wolf and the lamb shall graze together; the lion shall eat straw like the ox, and dust shall be the serpent's food. They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain,” says the Lord.
Genesis 9:3
Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.
Colossians 2:16
Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.
Isaiah 11:6-9
The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together; and a little child shall lead them. The cow and the bear shall graze; their young shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. The nursing child shall play over the hole of the cobra, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder's den. They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.
Colossians 2:20-23
If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” (referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.
1 Corinthians 10:31
So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.
Romans 14:1-23
As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
Luke 7:33
For John the Baptist has come eating no bread and drinking no wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon.’
1 Timothy 3:8
Deacons likewise must be dignified, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine, not greedy for dishonest gain.
Colossians 2:17
These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.
Ephesians 5:18
And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit,
1 Corinthians 11:23-26
For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.
1 Corinthians 11:2-16
Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you. But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven. For if a wife will not cover her head, then she should cut her hair short. But since it is disgraceful for a wife to cut off her hair or shave her head, let her cover her head.
1 Corinthians 11:1-34
Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ. Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you. But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven.
1 Corinthians 6:12
“All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be enslaved by anything.
1 Corinthians 3:16-17
Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.
Romans 14:3
Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.
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we do not worship mary. we honor her and we ask her to pray for us.
we do not worship idols.
have you read about moses' bronze snake?
Num 21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
Num 21:9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Note that no one was told to bow down to the brass serpent, and neither was anyone instructed to pray before it, even though the serpent on the pole represented Jesus Christ who though innocent would become sin, and be crucified for all of mankind. Looking upon the serpent brought life to those dying, just as faith in Jesus Christ will bring life to all who will believe and have faith.Num 21:9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Now, notice what happened when years later, the exact same serpent of brass is again mentioned in scripture:
2 Ki 18:3 And he [King Hezekiah] did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that David his father did.
2 Ki 18:4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brazen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.
So what prompted the King to destroy the brass serpent? Because the people had begun worshipping it as an idol, burning incense (which represents prayer to God - Psa. 141:2, Luke 1:11, Rev. 8:3-4) before it. So Hezekiah did what was right in the eyes of the Lord and destroyed it. 2 Ki 18:4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brazen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.
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Exo 25:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, ...
Exo 25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.
Exo 25:19 And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.
Exo 25:20 And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.
Exo 25:21 And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.
Exo 25:22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.
Exo 25:40 And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was showed thee in the mount.
Exo 37:7 And he made two cherubims of gold, beaten out of one piece made he them, on the two ends of the mercy seat;
Exo 37:8 One cherub on the end on this side, and another cherub on the other end on that side: out of the mercy seat made he the cherubims on the two ends thereof.
Exo 37:9 And the cherubims spread out their wings on high, and covered with their wings over the mercy seat, with their faces one to another; even to the mercy seatward were the faces of the cherubims.
If you study the matter, you will find that these golden cherubim on the Ark were normally located in what was called the holy of holies, the innermost apartment of the Hebrew Sanctuary. Because they covered the lid of the Ark, known as the mercy seat, these were known as "covering cherubim". Only the Jewish high priest was ever allowed to enter this room, and then only on one day of each year, the Day of Atonement. Search the scriptures and you will find that the high priest was never instructed to bow down to these statues of cherubim or to pray to the angels in heaven that they represented.Exo 25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.
Exo 25:19 And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.
Exo 25:20 And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.
Exo 25:21 And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.
Exo 25:22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.
Exo 25:40 And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was showed thee in the mount.
Exo 37:7 And he made two cherubims of gold, beaten out of one piece made he them, on the two ends of the mercy seat;
Exo 37:8 One cherub on the end on this side, and another cherub on the other end on that side: out of the mercy seat made he the cherubims on the two ends thereof.
Exo 37:9 And the cherubims spread out their wings on high, and covered with their wings over the mercy seat, with their faces one to another; even to the mercy seatward were the faces of the cherubims.
Cherubim were also woven into the tapestries of the traveling Sanctuary of Moses:
Exo 26:1 Moreover thou shalt make the tabernacle with ten curtains of fine twined linen, and blue, and purple, and scarlet: with cherubims of cunning work shalt thou make them.
Exo 26:31 And thou shalt make a veil of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen of cunning work: with cherubims shall it be made:
Exo 36:8 And every wise hearted man among them that wrought the work of the tabernacle made ten curtains of fine twined linen, and blue, and purple, and scarlet: with cherubims of cunning work made he them.
Exo 36:35 And he made a veil of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen: with cherubims made he it of cunning work.
Again, these images of cherubim in the tapestries were never bowed down to, and prayer to angels was not permitted and never occurred before them. Angel worship is prohibited. When John the Revelator bowed down to worship an angel, the angel quickly stopped him from doing so:Exo 26:31 And thou shalt make a veil of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen of cunning work: with cherubims shall it be made:
Exo 36:8 And every wise hearted man among them that wrought the work of the tabernacle made ten curtains of fine twined linen, and blue, and purple, and scarlet: with cherubims of cunning work made he them.
Exo 36:35 And he made a veil of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen: with cherubims made he it of cunning work.
Rev 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which showed me these things.
Rev 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
So, none of the images of angels in the Sanctuary involved angel worship. God's permitting these images does not mean that God sanctions bowing before and praying in front of images.Rev 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
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Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
So, by having pictures of relatives, are you breaking the Commandments of God against graven images? Well, first, let me ask you, do you bow down before these pictures and pray to your relatives (living or dead)? If you do, then you are indeed breaking God's law. How about statues of famous men, like George Washington, etc., aren't they idolatry? No, not unless you bow down before them and pray to the person they represent. But, then you might ask, what of bowing down before a king or person of authority as a sign of respect, surely this must be idolatry too? There are many examples of people bowing to each other in the Bible, but nowhere is this practice of respect forbidden. Here is just one instance of this practice:Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Gen 42:6 And Joseph was the governor over the land, and he it was that sold to all the people of the land: and Joseph's brethren came, and bowed down themselves before him with their faces to the earth.
So was this idolatry? No, it was a sign of respect for the office and authority of Joseph, and his brothers were acknowledging his authority over them and their willingness to serve him. The only exception to this may be when a King or Ruler demands to be worshipped as a god, then bowing down to him would be idolatry. However, this is exactly why bowing down to statues and images is forbidden, because by bowing down you are indicating that your are the servant of that image, and that is specifically forbidden:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, ...
[HR][/HR]So did God permit certain images and statues? No question about it, he did indeed. However:
The golden cherubim and other images of the Hebrew Sanctuary were not used to bow down before and were never the focus of any prayer.
Moses did not have the people bow down before the brass serpent, they only needed to look at it. But many years later, when the people began to apostatize, using the brass serpent as an idol by burning incense before it, God had King Hezekiah destroy it.
The golden tumors and golden mice offered by the Philistines as a trespass offering with the Ark were symbolic of the plagues God had brought on them and were never used by Israel as a part of worship or prayer.
And finally, pictures and statues are only an idol when you bow down and pray before them in the process of worship, so pictures of relatives and statues of famous men etc. are not contrary to the law of God.
So none of the passages in scripture that we have looked at in any way justify the Catholic practice of bowing down in front of icons or statues, which God forbids as idolatry in very clear terms:
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Lev 26:1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.
Judg 2:17 And yet they would not hearken unto their judges, but they went a whoring after other gods, and bowed themselves unto them: they turned quickly out of the way which their fathers walked in, obeying the commandments of the LORD; but they did not so.
God has not completely prohibited art in all it's forms, or all images, as the Sanctuary of Moses and the Temple of Solomon demonstrate, but God has never permitted anyone to bow down in prayer before any image or statue of Himself for any reason at all. Furthermore, God has clearly prohibited bowing down before any image of any kind at all when the image represents the one to whom the prayer is directed, and there are no exceptions mentioned anywhere in Scripture. He is that jealous!Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Lev 26:1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.
Judg 2:17 And yet they would not hearken unto their judges, but they went a whoring after other gods, and bowed themselves unto them: they turned quickly out of the way which their fathers walked in, obeying the commandments of the LORD; but they did not so.
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Hi. I am a convert to the Catholic Faith from Protestant. I certainly understand why you have issues with Catholic theology as I did as well. But I came to discover that the bibles Protestants use were altered from Martin Luther, who was a Catholic Priest. Catholics are actually "bible only" but the difference is the angle of interpretation. Protestants believe the ENTIRE bible spells out God's original purpose for man, which with all do respect is false, as a part of Genesis and Isaiah speaks of this. Catholics believe the bible, in its overarching entirety, outlines the salvation of man with it's climactic point being Jesus Christ. We cannot understand how to live in perfect unity and harmony with God due to the fall of man, thus our sinful nature. But since God so loved the world (John 3:16), Jesus came to save us from the wrath of God due to sin, not to give us a pass to simply blow off our sinful nature. If we continue to knowingly live in sin, we will end up in hell irregardless of how much profess Jesus as our savior. Catholics do not worship saints and Mary. Even if someone tries, they cannot worship any saint or Mary apart from Jesus. Every single canonized saint was devoted to, sacrificed, and suffered for Jesus' sake. Your last line of your post, you say you don't know much about the history of the CC but you throw all these accusations? Lastly, to be rigidly "bible alone" is direct idolatry of the authors who wrote the books of the bible, which the bible was compiled together by Orthodox Church Bishops aka Catholic Church.
That is a blatant lie. Roman Catholicism elevates man made tradition above Scripture, and some of what is promoted in Catholicism cannot be found in the Bible no matter how hard you look, for instance, the two ex cathedra dogmas, which are mandated beliefs, meaning, you are forced to accept them regardless of the fact that there is zero Biblical support for them.
Originally Posted by lastseed2014
Hello brother, How about the Catholic doctrine of Trinity? As the bible says God will not change. He is God and not man(Hosea 11:9). We know that there are 3 prophetic times, should we say, from creation to date, such as the time of our FOREFATHERS, the time of the PROPHETS, and the CHRISTIAN ERA. 1.TIME OF THE FOREFATHERS AND PROPHETS - Prophet MALACHI mentioned that there is only ONE GOD who created us and HE IS THE FATHER(Malachi 2:10). 2. In the Christian ERA - Jesus himself says that the FATHER alone is the TRUE GOD(John 17:1,3). and, the apostles also teaches that the FATHER is the ONE GOD who created us(1 Cor. 8:6). So, with this consistency about the Father alone being the one God, why after so many years this TRINITY doctrine has emerged. In fact this trinity doctrine was gradually formulated through a series of Catholic councils, such as in 325AD Jesus Christ was declared God at the council of Nicea, and in 389 AD the Holy Spirit also became God at the council of Constantinople thus, TRINITY doctrine was officially became a Catholic Dogma. Can you prove in the bible that these THREE GODS are ONE GOD?
There are not three gods. They are the one God.
That Jesus Christ is God is taught in for example John 5 and 14 as well as being revealed all the way through in the words of Jesus. Peter and Paul make it clear. See also the titles of Revelation.
He is a personal expression of the one God, intercommunicating with the Father and the Spirit.
That is apart form:
growth of RC doctrine (some dates are approximate)
1 . Prayers for the dead . …………-------------------……300 A.D.
2. Making the sign of the cross ………………………… …300 A.D.
3. Veneration of angels & dead saints …………---------…….375 A.D.
4. Use of images in worship………………………………… . 375 A.D.
5. The Mass as a daily celebration……………………………… 394 A.D.
6. Beginning of the exaltation of Mary; the term, "Mother of God" applied a Council of Ephesus……………. .----------------------------------------- 431 A.D.
7. Extreme Unction (Last Rites)……………………………… ..526 A.D.
8. Doctrine of Purgatory-Gregory 1…………………………… .593 A.D..
9. Prayers to Mary & dead saints ……………………………… .600 A.D.
10. Worship of cross, images & relics ……………………… … 786 A.D.
11 Canonization of dead saints ………………………………… ..995 A.D.
12. Celibacy of priesthood …………………………………… …1079 A.D.
13. The Rosary ……………………………………………… … 1090 A.D.
14. Indulgences ……………………………………………… …..1190 A.D.
15. Transubstantiation-Innocent III …………………………… 1215 A.D.
growth of RC doctrine (some dates are approximate)
1 . Prayers for the dead . …………-------------------……300 A.D.
2. Making the sign of the cross ………………………… …300 A.D.
3. Veneration of angels & dead saints …………---------…….375 A.D.
4. Use of images in worship………………………………… . 375 A.D.
5. The Mass as a daily celebration……………………………… 394 A.D.
6. Beginning of the exaltation of Mary; the term, "Mother of God" applied a Council of Ephesus……………. .----------------------------------------- 431 A.D.
7. Extreme Unction (Last Rites)……………………………… ..526 A.D.
8. Doctrine of Purgatory-Gregory 1…………………………… .593 A.D..
9. Prayers to Mary & dead saints ……………………………… .600 A.D.
10. Worship of cross, images & relics ……………………… … 786 A.D.
11 Canonization of dead saints ………………………………… ..995 A.D.
12. Celibacy of priesthood …………………………………… …1079 A.D.
13. The Rosary ……………………………………………… … 1090 A.D.
14. Indulgences ……………………………………………… …..1190 A.D.
15. Transubstantiation-Innocent III …………………………… 1215 A.D.
- 16. Auricular Confession of sins to a priest …………………… 1215 A.D.
17. Adoration of the wafer (Host)…………………………… .. 1220 A.D.
18. Cup forbidden to the people at communion …………………..1414 A.D.
19. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma……………………………..1439 A.D.
20. The doctrine of the Seven Sacraments confirmed …………….1439 A.D.
21 Tradition declared of equal authority with Bible by Council of Trent…………………………………………----------------… 1545 A.D.
22. Apocryphal books added to Bible ………------------……….1546 A.D.
23. Immaculate Conception of Mary……………………………….1854 A.D.
24, Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals, proclaimed by the Vatican Council ……………… 1870 A.D.
25. Assumption of the Virgin Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death) ……………………………-----------------------------------……1950 A.D.
26. Mary proclaimed Mother of the Church……………………… 1965 A.D.
K
Wow! Thats a lot said in one paragraph! Can we break it down?
Quote "But I came to discover that the bibles Protestants use were altered from Martin Luther, who was a Catholic Priest. "
How did you discover this? How was it altered?
Quote " Catholics are actually "bible only" but the difference is the angle of interpretation."
If Catholics were Bible only they wouldn't be confessing to a priest,calling him "father" or believe in the pope.
Quote "which with all do respect is false, as a part of Genesis and Isaiah speaks of this. "
Elaborate please...
Quote ". If we continue to knowingly live in sin, we will end up in hell irregardless of how much profess Jesus as our savior. "
Most Protestants believe the same. You cannot live in sin.We dont confess to a priest. Other than that,same belief.
Quote " Catholics do not worship saints and Mary. Even if someone tries, they cannot worship any saint or Mary apart from Jesus."
You can split hairs all day. To Catholics Mary is on par with Jesus.The Bible does not teach that she was sinless,it doesn't teach she didn't have other children than Jesus and it certainly does not teach that she can do miracles or forgive sins like Jesus.
Quote "Every single canonized saint was devoted to",
Devoted to? Please explain that. We are all saints,the ground is level at the foot of the cross.
Quote" Lastly, to be rigidly "bible alone" is direct idolatry of the authors who wrote the books of the bible"
John 1- In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Thats plain enough for me. We dont need anything outside His Word. The author was God,the Holy Spirit directed men used of God. No idolatry. They were men moved upon by the Holy Spirit. No higher than any other. If God could use a donkey I dont think we need to get too puffed up,they didn't.
Quote "the bible was compiled together by Orthodox Church Bishops aka Catholic Church."
Compiled? Too bad the Catholic church didn't stay with the truth. Greed turned them away. Its a pity.
So Jesus was an idolater? (Mk 7.13). And Paul? (2 Tim 3.16). To say nothing of Peter (2 Peter 1.21) The Bible was not compiled by Orthodox Church Bishops. It was compiled by the intertestamental Jews and by the middle to late 1st century church by which time they were Scripture. (2 Peter 3.16).
The orthodox bishops simply sorted out one or two problems held by some with the minor book. And they used as their basis Apostolicity,
The orthodox bishops simply sorted out one or two problems held by some with the minor book. And they used as their basis Apostolicity,
Further Roman Catholic errors added in the second millennium:
Indulgences ……………………………………………… …..1190 A.D.
15. Transubstantiation-Innocent III …………………………… 1215 A.D.
16. Auricular Confession of sins to a priest …………………… 1215 A.D.
17. Adoration of the wafer (Host)…………………………… .. 1220 A.D.
18. Cup forbidden to the people at communion …………………..1414 A.D.
19. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma……………………………..1439 A.D.
20. The doctrine of the Seven Sacraments confirmed …………….1439 A.D.
21 Tradition declared of equal authority with Bible by Council of Trent…………………………………………----------------… 1545 A.D.
22. Apocryphal books added to Bible ………------------……….1546 A.D.
23. Immaculate Conception of Mary……………………………….1854 A.D.
24, Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals,proclaimed by the Vatican Council ……………… 1870 A.D.
25. Assumption of the Virgin Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death) ……………………………-----------------------------------……1950 A.D.
26. Mary proclaimed Mother of the Church……………………… 1965 A.D.
Indulgences ……………………………………………… …..1190 A.D.
15. Transubstantiation-Innocent III …………………………… 1215 A.D.
16. Auricular Confession of sins to a priest …………………… 1215 A.D.
17. Adoration of the wafer (Host)…………………………… .. 1220 A.D.
18. Cup forbidden to the people at communion …………………..1414 A.D.
19. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma……………………………..1439 A.D.
20. The doctrine of the Seven Sacraments confirmed …………….1439 A.D.
21 Tradition declared of equal authority with Bible by Council of Trent…………………………………………----------------… 1545 A.D.
22. Apocryphal books added to Bible ………------------……….1546 A.D.
23. Immaculate Conception of Mary……………………………….1854 A.D.
24, Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals,proclaimed by the Vatican Council ……………… 1870 A.D.
25. Assumption of the Virgin Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death) ……………………………-----------------------------------……1950 A.D.
26. Mary proclaimed Mother of the Church……………………… 1965 A.D.
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Further Roman Catholic errors added in the second millennium:
Transubstantiation-Innocent III …………………………… 1215 A.D.
16. Auricular Confession of sins to a priest …………………… 1215 A.D.
17. Adoration of the wafer (Host)…………………………… .. 1220 A.D.
18. Cup forbidden to the people at communion …………………..1414 A.D.
19. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma……………………………..1439 A.D.
20. The doctrine of the Seven Sacraments confirmed …………….1439 A.D.
21 Tradition declared of equal authority with Bible by Council of Trent…………………………………………----------------… 1545 A.D.
22. Apocryphal books added to Bible ………------------……….1546 A.D.
23. Immaculate Conception of Mary……………………………….1854 A.D.
24, Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals,proclaimed by the Vatican Council ……………… 1870 A.D.
25. Assumption of the Virgin Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death) ……………………………-----------------------------------……1950 A.D.
26. Mary proclaimed Mother of the Church……………………… 1965 A.D.
Transubstantiation-Innocent III …………………………… 1215 A.D.
16. Auricular Confession of sins to a priest …………………… 1215 A.D.
17. Adoration of the wafer (Host)…………………………… .. 1220 A.D.
18. Cup forbidden to the people at communion …………………..1414 A.D.
19. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma……………………………..1439 A.D.
20. The doctrine of the Seven Sacraments confirmed …………….1439 A.D.
21 Tradition declared of equal authority with Bible by Council of Trent…………………………………………----------------… 1545 A.D.
22. Apocryphal books added to Bible ………------------……….1546 A.D.
23. Immaculate Conception of Mary……………………………….1854 A.D.
24, Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals,proclaimed by the Vatican Council ……………… 1870 A.D.
25. Assumption of the Virgin Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death) ……………………………-----------------------------------……1950 A.D.
26. Mary proclaimed Mother of the Church……………………… 1965 A.D.
The Catholic doctrine on the person of Christ is biblical and true. Doctrinal orthodoxy is essential but it is not sufficient by itself. For salvation, it is not enough to give your assent to the truths about Christ - even the demons recognized Jesus as the Son of God. We must also entrust ourselves to him. The Christian does not merely believe something about Christ; the Christian believes in Christ.
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Himshould not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16).
Jesus said to her, ‘I am the resurrection and the life. he who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live’ (John 11:25).
To Him all the prophets witness that, through his name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins (Acts 10:43).
To demonstrate at the present time his righteousness, that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus (Romans 3:26).
Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture, ‘Behold, I lay in Zion, a chief cornerstone, elect, precious, and he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame’ (1 Peter 2:6).
Catholics have been taught true and biblical facts about Jesus. Yet, the RCC does not properly teach what it means to believe in Him - resting by faith, trusting in, relying on Jesus Christ alone for salvation.
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Himshould not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16).
Jesus said to her, ‘I am the resurrection and the life. he who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live’ (John 11:25).
To Him all the prophets witness that, through his name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins (Acts 10:43).
To demonstrate at the present time his righteousness, that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus (Romans 3:26).
Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture, ‘Behold, I lay in Zion, a chief cornerstone, elect, precious, and he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame’ (1 Peter 2:6).
Catholics have been taught true and biblical facts about Jesus. Yet, the RCC does not properly teach what it means to believe in Him - resting by faith, trusting in, relying on Jesus Christ alone for salvation.
This is a zombie thread but the false doctrine is millennia old.
Jesus is described as the word of God made flesh.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
You have simply to use your terms blown off the grace of God. Grace is wholly sufficient to save and wholly unmerited by man.
2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Jesus is described as the word of God made flesh.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
You have simply to use your terms blown off the grace of God. Grace is wholly sufficient to save and wholly unmerited by man.
2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Catholics have been taught true and biblical facts aboutJesus. Yet, the RCC does not properly teach what it means to believe in Him - resting by faith, trusting in, relying on Jesus Christ alone for salvation.
i do not fully understand this statementment.
Catholics believe Christ alone for salvation? Or that is what Protestants believe?