Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[Chopper]

For the first page, and part of the last page thus far, I have seen not much more than everyone pointing fingers at each other with a "this is right, that is wrong" approach. While all of this may seem to be good for self-justification of specific denominations or such that claim no denomination, what they fail to realize is the fact is that the Roman Catholic Church is the Mother Harlot, and many others are her offspring, and even she claims as such if you observe the day she commanded in place of the true Sabbath of the fourth commandment.

This is nothing new, nor hidden, but openly stated as such by the RCC themselves, claiming their authority over something they DO NOT have authority over, and think to have changed appointed times and laws. What is not commonly known is the fact that this "Church" has been a carry-over from the Sanhedrin after they vanished to present, but the Sanhedrin has reformed as of around 2004.

What was the key problem as described within the Word of Elohim in regards to what the Sanhedrin teach? They lay aside the Torah for the tradition and commandments of men! They forbid the speaking of the very name of Elohim, and have even went as far as to attempt to remove the name of Elohim from the translations distributed around the world. There is far more deception from both the Sanhedrin and RCC than most might realize, and it also trickles down through the offspring of the mother harlot.

Jer 23:26-27 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart; Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.

Do you speak of a god claiming that one is the True Elohim, but do not know His name? How can you call on someone if you do not know his name? The title of god, or God is NOT His name. Calling on the name in variation of Zeus is NOT calling on the Son of Yah, who comes in the name of our Abba, ha'Mashiah Yahushua!

Think to change times and laws... His Appointed Times, and His Laws? You think to change the Appointed Times of the very calendar of Yah, and fool others to follow after your calendar in place of His. You think to cause man to forget the name of Yah, replacing it with titles such as "God" or "Lord" when all you are doing is trying to take those around you down with you in your own deceit.

We are called to be set apart from the world, and that includes the world religion that it follows, according to the "God" of this world!

You who truly seek Yahuwah, and are led by the Ruah of Yah, and love Torah will understand what I have spoken here.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Do you speak of a god claiming that one is the True Elohim, but do not know His name? How can you call on someone if you do not know his name? The title of god, or God is NOT His name. Calling on the name in variation of Zeus is NOT calling on the Son of Yah, who comes in the name of our Abba, ha'Mashiah Yahushua!

There are no Hebrew "original" manuscripts of the New Testament, zero, nada: you have no Bible text that uses the name Yahushua. The original writers of the New Testament used Iesous (Greek for Jesus) about 917 times to describe who Jesus truly was: the entire New Testament was written in Greek, and Jesus is the word that is used. For people to say that Jesus' real name is Yashua or Yahusha or Yahushua, etc., is just a statement of pushing an agenda and not believing the New Testament text.

But you can prove me wrong. Christianity has been around for about 2,000 years now. There are various denominations of reputable Bible believing, scripture only churches that have been in existence for at least hundreds of years, Baptists with claims from antiquity. I'm non-denominational, but stand with the standard charter of the Baptists as an example of a true, Bible believing church that reflects my Christian faith.

So, what church of good repute do you stand with, which Holy Spirit believers have been a part of for many generations? Do you have a web link to the charter of the Christian church that holds your beliefs, so we may know where you are coming from? This is a question people have the right to and should ask, if you're going to be making doctrinal claims, that is, just who you are and who you represent. Or, in absence of this, we are to assume you're part of some new "faith" that's, actually, a phony Hebrew roots cult you're brainwashed with?

I've not seen anybody yet, making your claims, who's not part of a cult with false teachings, as a matter of fact, most Hebrew roots types aren't even Jews. But I would be happy to be corrected, if you can show a link to your church's charter, showing those who have shared your beliefs for generations?

 

[Chopper]

JesusIsAll, I'll answer you with two very important studies via video, so that you get a better understanding of what is really happening concerning the names, which have been removed from most translations. Keep in mind, what Paul was teaching was also the only time the word heresy is used in the Word of Yah, which is in reference to sect as you are making similar claims that ones who might proclaim the name of Yah are, holding false teachings.

Video 1
[video=youtube;Hpw8SmVIAtM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpw8SmVIAtM[/video]
Video 2 follows...

 

[Chopper]

Video 2
[video=youtube;NcDOmOOQTtA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcDOmOOQTtA#t=199[/video]

 

[JesusIsAll]

In the continuing saga of the dueling infallibles, aka, "I don't really know much about Christianity, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express,"

Pope Francis has declared that all animals go to heaven during his weekly audience in St. Peter’s Square.

The Pope made these remarks after he received two donkeys as early Christmas presents. During his discussion, Pope Francis quoted the apostle Paul as he comforted a child who was mourning the death of his dog.

Francis quoted Paul’s remarks [whut?!] as, “One day we will see our animals again in eternity of Christ. Paradise is open to all God’s creatures.”

According to the Express, Pope Francis’ declaration is in complete contrast to those that were previously made by his predecessor Pope Benedict XVI. Pope Benedict resigned from the position in 2013, declaring that he didn’t possess the “strength of mind and body” to continue.

Pope Benedict said that animals “are not called to the eternal life.” In a book that Pope Benedict wrote about the childhood of Jesus, he claimed that there was no mention of animals in any of the Gospels. In fact, he stated that the presence of animals in Nativity scenes is based on myth.

 

[JesusIsAll]

JesusIsAll, I'll answer you with two very important studies via video, so that you get a better understanding of what is really happening concerning the names, which have been removed from most translations. Keep in mind, what Paul was teaching was also the only time the word heresy is used in the Word of Yah, which is in reference to sect as you are making similar claims that ones who might proclaim the name of Yah are, holding false teachings.

Thanks for the "important studies" that I may gain a "better understanding," perhaps rise from my position of pagan ignorance that damns. Thanks, but no thanks.

The website referred to in your first video is just a garden variety, and no so clever, cult, with its typical exclusivity of false doctrine and perversion of truth. Just the concept the Lord screwed up, to allow the Greek New Testament, is more than absurd ("Lord" a word your cult calls, like "Jesus" and "God," pagan!). That here we are in 2014, and you're revealing the narrow way all Christianity has missed, up to now, is much more than absurd. Boy! You're just God's special little creature, come to set everybody straight and correct all of God's scripture errors! Love the part about the Ten Commandments being the bride's wedding vows...

As to your videos, your lying, and quite bluntly, dumb premise is enough, have no idea why you think anybody who believes the Bible would be interested in spending a couple hours, viewing the deceptive Hebrew roots junk you're peddling? About all I've got to say to you is this, "Jesus is the Lord." And maybe add to this "Jesus is God." Otherwise, have a nice day, and I hope what you've got isn't contagious.

 

[Chopper]

Thanks for the "important studies" that I may gain a "better understanding," perhaps rise from my position of pagan ignorance that damns. Thanks, but no thanks.

The website referred to in your first video is just a garden variety, and no so clever, cult, with its typical exclusivity of false doctrine and perversion of truth. Just the concept the Lord screwed up, to allow the Greek New Testament, is more than absurd ("Lord" a word your cult calls, like "Jesus" and "God," pagan!). That here we are in 2014, and you're revealing the narrow way all Christianity has missed, up to now, is much more than absurd. Boy! You're just God's special little creature, come to set everybody straight and correct all of God's scripture errors! Love the part about the Ten Commandments being the bride's wedding vows...

As to your videos, your lying, and quite bluntly, dumb premise is enough, have no idea why you think anybody who believes the Bible would be interested in spending a couple hours, viewing the deceptive Hebrew roots junk you're peddling? About all I've got to say to you is this, "Jesus is the Lord." And maybe add to this "Jesus is God." Otherwise, have a nice day, and I hope what you've got isn't contagious.

Interesting that you call on a name that did not even exist until about 400 years ago, which is about 1,981 years after our ha'Mashiah came and sacrificed Himself for our sake. You call on "God" which is nothing more than a title, and not an actual name.

Tell me, what is your name when you go to another country? Does it change?

Have you even looked to research to really know who you claim to know is?

There is no accusation in my words, but questions put to you that you might find the truth of the matter.

 

[pjr]

thank you for speaking Truth. I too was saved out of the false Roman religion. Soli Deo Gloria!

 

[pjr]

thank you for speaking Truth.

 

[yep]

LAtin is a dead language Of kiddy fiddling priests and satanic science.
LAtin was available in Rome at the time the scriptures were written (obviously) and not used.

If we keep using LAtin, we give tacit authority to the Roman Church and its daughters.

God created the different tongues to keep us seperate. Let's keep seperate. Why not? theres no command to use LAtin from God I am aware of. Or any need to.

Also stands to reason if god made the tongues, he is aware of his name in each tongue. The vast majority of the body of Christ who are now sleeping until judgement day called him Jesus. Do you think god will reject them because they didn't speak a particular language and hence know his name in that language?
That would not be just. It would be ridiiculous.

Theres a difference between finding truth in a world of lies.
And looking for an esoteric or gnostic gospel that only the very intelligent could possibly understand,
The first is righterousness the second is unrighteousness

 

[Mitspa]

Interesting that you call on a name that did not even exist until about 400 years ago, which is about 1,981 years after our ha'Mashiah came and sacrificed Himself for our sake. You call on "God" which is nothing more than a title, and not an actual name.

Tell me, what is your name when you go to another country? Does it change?

Have you even looked to research to really know who you claim to know is?

There is no accusation in my words, but questions put to you that you might find the truth of the matter.

Ok I have years of study in the Greek and not too ignorant of the Hebrew...where are you getting the name ha' mashiah? Also I would add that the English pronouncement of the name of Jesus from Hebrew or the Greek is quiet evident and I don't think Jesus or the Father or the Holy Spirit is confused at all in the translation....I don't understand why this is made an issue? I assure you also as you may know? that the demons tremble with fear at His Name in all the ways its pronounced.

 

[Siberian_Khatru]

LAtin is a dead language Of kiddy fiddling priests and satanic science...If we keep using LAtin, we give tacit authority to the Roman Church and its daughters.

We do? I do not understand how we do so.

God created the different tongues to keep us seperate. Let's keep seperate. Why not? theres no command to use LAtin from God I am aware of. Or any need to.

It's true, at least, that God intervened at the tower of Babel, which we can attribute the multitude of languages to. My understanding is that language is man's invention, however.

Also stands to reason if god made the tongues, he is aware of his name in each tongue...Do you think god will reject them because they didn't speak a particular language and hence know his name in that language?

This I like and agree with.

 

[Chopper]

Ok I have years of study in the Greek and not too ignorant of the Hebrew...where are you getting the name ha' mashiah? Also I would add that the English pronouncement of the name of Jesus from Hebrew or the Greek is quiet evident and I don't think Jesus or the Father or the Holy Spirit is confused at all in the translation....I don't understand why this is made an issue? I assure you also as you may know? that the demons tremble with fear at His Name in all the ways its pronounced.

ha'Mashiah is not a name, that is a transliteration type meaning "The Messiah"
The names transliterated correctly from Paleo Hebrew are;
Father YHWH - Yahuwah
Son Messiah - Yahushua
Set-apart Spirit - Qodesh Ruah


Back on topic, The RCC has made open statements which actually reveal to everyone who they are, what thier intention is to some degree, and who their children or subordinates are.

As posted elsewhere about the RCC;

American Catholic Quarterly Review (January 1883):Sunday...is purely a creation of the Catholic Church.


Catholic American Sentinel (June 1893):
Sunday...It is a law of the Catholic Church alone...


Pope Leo XIII, Praeclara Gratulationis Publicae (The Reunion of Christendom), June 20, 1894: 

We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.


“Pope,” Ferraris’ Ecclesiastic Dictionary:
The Pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God.


Letter from C.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons on October 28, 1895:
Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act…And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.


Our Sunday Visitor (April 18, 1915): 3:
The letters inscribed in the Pope’s miter are these: VICARIUS FILLII DEI, which is the Latin for, “Vicar of the Son of God.”


Chancellor Albert Smith for Cardinal of Baltimore Archdiocese, letter dated February 10, 1920:
If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath day by God is Saturday. In keeping the Sunday, they are following a law of the Catholic Church.


Catholic Record (September 1, 1923):
The [catholic] Church is above the Bible, and this transference of the Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.


John A. O'Brien, The Faith of Millions: the Credentials of the Catholic Religion Revised Edition (Our Sunday Visitor Publishing, 1974): 400-401:
But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn't it curious that non-Catholics, who claim to take their religion directly from the Bible and not from the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it is inconsistent; but this change was made about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed. They have continued the custom even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon and explicit text in the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away—like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair.


Stephen Keenan, Catholic—Doctrinal Catechism 3rd Edition: 174:
Question: Have you any other way of proving the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?


Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her, she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the 1st day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the 7th day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.i




Catholic Priest T. Enright, CSSR, Kansas City, MO:
It was the holy Catholic Church that changed the day of rest from Saturday to Sunday, the 1st day of the week. And it not only compelled all to keep Sunday, but at the Council of Laodicea, AD 364, anathematized those who kept the Sabbath and urged all persons to labor on the 7th day under penalty of anathema.

 

[Mitspa]

ha'Mashiah is not a name, that is a transliteration type meaning "The Messiah"
The names transliterated correctly from Paleo Hebrew are;
Father YHWH - Yahuwah
Son Messiah - Yahushua
Set-apart Spirit - Qodesh Ruah


Back on topic, The RCC has made open statements which actually reveal to everyone who they are, what thier intention is to some degree, and who their children or subordinates are.

As posted elsewhere about the RCC;

Ok I think I was thrown off by how you used it in your sentence? Jesus...Yahushua..."Salvation" "Deliverance" is translated from the Hebrew into the Greek by the Apostles of Jesus Christ..They did not make or try to make such issues about the translation.....I wonder why we should make an issue about it, if they didn't?

 

[Jimbone]

Ok I think I was thrown off by how you used it in your sentence? Jesus...Yahushua..."Salvation" "Deliverance" is translated from the Hebrew into the Greek by the Apostles of Jesus Christ..They did not make or try to make such issues about the translation.....I wonder why we should make an issue about it, if they didn't?

I agree 100%, I didn't even call any name when He came and saved me. I thought I had already "done that" and made my promise. I thought I was saved already. All I did was break to the point my pride died and I realized I was capable of NOTHING at all on my own, (my testimony is posted here for more details) and I didn't even realize what happened to me at first, just that I felt new and it was from God, but I know for sure I didn't have to know a "special name" for Him to save my lost self.

 

[Mitspa]

I agree 100%, I didn't even call any name when He came and saved me. I thought I had already "done that" and made my promise. I thought I was saved already. All I did was break to the point my pride died and I realized I was capable of NOTHING at all on my own, (my testimony is posted here for more details) and I didn't even realize what happened to me at first, just that I felt new and it was from God, but I know for sure I didn't have to know a "special name" for Him to save my lost self.

Yea Jimbone ...I think this idea that we have to use Hebrew and in correct terms? Is just missing the simplicity God intended for us in salvation through our Lord Jesus. I also was powerfully saved and have seen many great works in the (English) name of Jesus and like you not sure I used any name at salvation other than to say "I believe" and God seemed to know exactly what I was saying and that I was talking to Him..

 

[Chopper]

I corrected myself and put it back on topic for the thread.
If you think the name is not important when it was even included in the 10 commandments written by His finger,
then by all means, continue with the crowd.
There's two videos above if you're truly interested in finding out for yourselves...

Yirmeyahu (Jeremiyah) 23:20-27

The anger of YHWH shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly. I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings. Am I an Elohim at hand, saith YHWH, and not an Elohim afar off? Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith YHWH. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith YHWH. I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed. How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart; Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.

 

[Mitspa]

I corrected myself and put it back on topic for the thread.
If you think the name is not important when it was even included in the 10 commandments written by His finger,
then by all means, continue with the crowd.
There's two videos above if you're truly interested in finding out for yourselves...

Yirmeyahu (Jeremiyah) 23:20-27

Well why did Paul and Peter and John and James and Matthew etc....not see this need to use the Hebrew as you and others seem to "think" is needed? Answer that and then you might find a truth that sets you free from this crowd of people who strain at a gnat and swallow at a camel.

 

[Chopper]

Well why did Paul and Peter and John and James and Matthew etc....not see this need to use the Hebrew as you and others seem to "think" is needed? Answer that and then you might find a truth that sets you free from this crowd of people who strain at a gnat and swallow at a camel.

Quite the contrary, as we all know they spoke Hebrew, and the original NT was in Hebrew, not Greek. They were working on making a Greek version for the Gentiles, and that's where some of the problems seemed to occur.

As it is written in Romiyim (Romans) 2:24

For the name of YHWH is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

 

[Mitspa]

Quite the contrary, as we all know they spoke Hebrew, and the original NT was in Hebrew, not Greek. They were working on making a Greek version for the Gentiles, and that's where some of the problems seemed to occur.

As it is written in Romiyim (Romans) 2:24

What? You have ANY scholars that can affirm your position that the text was first written in Hebrew? I have studied the manuscripts for years and have sought out all possible info on the subject and have NEVER heard anyone make that claim...except some scholars believe that Matthew could have first been written in Hebrew? God chose the Greek language to spread the gospel to the world.. because it was the "common" language of the known world at that time.

Ro 2:23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.