Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[Chopper]

What? You have ANY scholars that can affirm your position that the text was first written in Hebrew? I have studied the manuscripts for years and have sought out all possible info on the subject and have NEVER heard anyone make that claim...except some scholars believe that Matthew could have first been written in Hebrew? God chose the Greek language to spread the gospel to the world.. because it was the "common" language of the known world at that time.

Ro 2:23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

You might want to do some more research brother, as I found information about the original being in thier native language, which was Paleo Hebrew, but just to make sure we are clear...

Jon_1:9 And he said unto them, I am an Hebrew; and I fear YHWH, the Elohim of heaven, which hath made the sea and the dry land.
Luk_23:38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
Joh_5:2 Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches.
Joh_19:13 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Yahushua forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha.
Joh_19:17 And he bearing his stake went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:
Joh_19:20 This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Yahushua was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.
Act_21:40 And when he had given him licence, Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a great silence, he spake unto them in the Hebrew tongue, saying,
Act_22:2 (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,)
Act_26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Php_3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
Rev_9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
Rev_16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

 

[Mitspa]

Of Course they was Hebrews... But most the epistles was written to gentile churches..and no bible scholar in the world believes what you have tried to claim on this thread...to my knowledge? And if this issue is SO important why did the scriptures themselves not give us warnings about mispronouncing the Lords name...or saying it in Greek rather than Hebrew? Dont make sense at all! Even if one accepted your version of the scriptures? Must we also assume that those who translated from Hebrew to Greek...did not understand to translate as you and your group suggest? No brother! Your missing God on this issue....I would ask you if Jesus has ever answered you when you called Him Jesus?

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Chopper, I desire to regard you as a brother in Christ. I hope you are. But you seem to hold our God as the One that was ABOVE us, in apparent opposition to His Son that God made AMONG us. He even called Him Emmanuel before us, meaning "God among us". How wonderful that is. But some seem to call us Gentile Christians back to the One above us all, remote, behind the veil.

Know that the veil between man and the Holiest was rent asunder at the crucifixion of Jesus the Christ of God.

The old was set aside for the world. Access to God is not reserved for the Jews or those calling Him by His old name or title, too far above us all. The owner of the Vineyard of God sent His only beloved Son Jesus that the keepers of the Vineyard killed. Instead of killing the old keepers, God found other keepers. They were grafted into the Vineyard's Vine equal to any of the Old that are found faithful to Him.

The new vine dressers, the Christians, call Him by the name the Owner of the Vineyard named, JESUS, our Lord, our Savior, our King of kings. Fall into the arms of Emmanuel Jesus.

 

[Mitspa]

You know Jesus said He came to reveal the Fathers Name to us? Now the Jews well knew the names of God...the Name they did not know was ABBA Father...and that only can be know by the Spirit of God....that's the Name of God that Jesus brought to us

 

[Chopper]

What is the third commandment found in the Ten Commandments?
Why has the sanhedrin attempted to remove or hide the name of Yah that we might not speak the name, according to their traditions and commandments?

Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Jos 23:6 Be ye therefore very courageous to keep and to do all that is written in the book of the law of Moses, that ye turn not aside therefrom [to] the right hand or [to] the left;
Jos 23:7 That ye come not among these nations, these that remain among you; neither make mention of the name of their elohim, nor cause to swear [by them], neither serve them, nor bow yourselves unto them:

Jer 23:26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;
Jer 23:27 Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.

Rom 2:23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou YHWH?
Rom 2:24 For the name of YHWH is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

 

[Chopper]

I'll go even one farther in asking you of your awareness of the noahide laws as called upon by the sanhedrin, and what the punishment is for any non-Jew to speak the name of Yah, of which according to that we are also not allowed to keep the seventh day sabbath, or study the Torah.

 

[BurdenBarer4U]

Thank you for taking a firm stand on the truth of the Catholic religion!
Its really sad that so many people have been deceived all over the world
by false Catholic church and her doctrines. You were so correct that Mary
was a sinner who needed to be saved just like any one else!
I wonder how many hungry children could have been fed with all the money
people have spent on candles and rosary beads that they use to pray to Mary!

 

[Mitspa]

I'll go even one farther in asking you of your awareness of the noahide laws as called upon by the sanhedrin, and what the punishment is for any non-Jew to speak the name of Yah, of which according to that we are also not allowed to keep the seventh day sabbath, or study the Torah.

Again I ask you what respected biblical scholar believes there is ANY evidence of what you have tried to affirm on this thread? Thatb the New Testament was really written in Hebrew and not Greek? That is contrary to all known writtings of that time and there is absolutely no evidence of that anywhere...in fact it is well established that the epistles where first written in Greek to the Gentile Churches...which only makes sense. Also again I would ask if someone accepts your error, why was no instructions given to these people who translated the Hebrew to the Greek to be careful to translate the Hebrew into Greek but in a Hebrew type sound? That just makes no sense!

 

[jeff_peacemkr]

Yhvh says Hebrew is the language of Scripture. He knows.

 

[Enga]

We try to welcome everyone to our site including people who grow up with Catholic tradition because of course we want to lead people to the truth.

But sometimes it's perceived that we tolerate error and heresy. Please understand first of all that we don't screen every thread and post in this forum. YOU can help with that. If there's something that you really think we should deal with, then use the Report button (there's a Report button on every post). But please understand that there will be some error and we don't remove all error or even all heresy from the site, partly because it's an opportunity for Christians to correct it and respond with the word of God. But if there's too much of it or too much from one person then we do some housecleaning. We certainly don't want our site to be dominated by Catholic heresy or whatever heresy or error, and we don't want people to get the impression that we just tolerate all of that.

So for the record, Catholicism is heresy. That's what the admins of this site believe.

Mary WAS A SINNER.

She needed a savior, just like you and me.

She is NOT the "mother of God". God has no mother, because God is God. Yes Jesus is God, and Mary was his mother, but we have to understand the dual nature of Jesus. He was 100% God yes, and also 100% man. Mary was his mother as a man, not as God. No where does the scripture refer to Mary as the "mother of God". And in fact, she's not even mentioned in all the epistles. All the New Testament instruction to the church is all about Jesus, not Mary. They never said "hail Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners". They always said JESUS .. JESUS... JESUS.

This is preaching to the choir for most people here. But it regularly happens that we start to accumulate Catholics here who really promote and argue their Catholicism, along with all the heresy.

So for the record, if anyone wants or needs to hear it, we don't agree with Catholic heresy. And yes it is heresy to exalt any other human being as sinless to the same level as Jesus (as the Catholics do with Mary -- they actually teach that Mary was sinless like Jesus!!!), and put equal focus on a person other than Jesus.

At the same time, we understand that no one is born a Christian. That's why Jesus said you must be born again. So we welcome all who are seeking -- Catholics, Muslims, homosexuals, and even protestants who are "Christian" only by tradition -- to experience our fellowship here on this site and learn the truth that Jesus is the way and the truth and the life and no one can come to the father except through Him. And there is only one God, and one mediator between God, the man Christ Jesus. Because he was both 100% man and 100% God, that makes him the perfect mediator between man and God. That's why the scripture also tells us to go straight to Jesus -- go to the throne of grace with confidence, knowing that he can understand our weaknesses and everything, since he lived as a man like us (and even experienced all temptation). Hence we don't need Mary to go to or go through -- that defeats the purpose of Jesus.

I saw my mother-in-law die before my eyes putting her faith in Mary. Days before she died I asked her if Mary can save her and she actually said yes. Then in her dying moments, my father-in-law pushed me in front of her to pray for her as she was dying before our eyes. I simply prayed out loud in front of everyone that she would put her faith in Jesus, and ONLY JESUS. There was protesting in the background "wala na Maria? wala na Maria?", which is Filipino language for "No Mary?? No Marry??". You see how deceived they all are. It is sad. You see how the devil uses that poison to add something to Jesus.

So I hope it's clear what we believe and we hope that we can promote the truth here in love.

REAL MEANING OF BORN AGAIN

The meaning of Born again is different, you have to born again in spirit and that born again in spirit is the baptism of Holy Spirit and the baptism of Holy Spirit is actually the distribution of Gift of God. That baptism in Holy Spirit is still unknown today. Because the baptism of holy spirit the ceased in the past. John 3:5-8 stated that, we have to baptised in water and Holy spirit to enter Kingdom of God.
Please visit my block and article to know more,
Acts 19:1-4, While Apostles was at Corinth; Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples [SUP]2 [/SUP]and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”
They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”
[SUP]3 [/SUP]So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?”
“John’s baptism,” they replied.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” [SUP]5 [/SUP]On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 19:6-7 [SUP]6 [/SUP]When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied. [SUP]7 [/SUP]There were about twelve men in all.
Act 11:15 “As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’
When Paul place his hand on them and prayed and they receive Holy Spirit and that the baptism of Holy Spirit and born again.
Acts 8: [SUP]17 [/SUP]Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
Since they are the ones that receive the Holy Spirit they have the authority to distribute the Holy Spirit.
Also peter and John place their hands on them and they baptised in Holy Spirit OR BORN AGAIN in Spirit.
PLEASE READ MY SHORT ARTICLES

 

[Enga]

The meaning of Born again is different, you have to born again in spirit and that born again in spirit is the baptism of Holy Spirit and the baptism of Holy Spirit is actually the distribution of Gift of God. That baptism in Holy Spirit is still unknown today. Because the baptism of holy spirit the ceased in the past. John 3:5-8 stated that, we have to baptised in water and Holy spirit to enter Kingdom of God.
Please visit my block and article to know more,
Acts 19:1-4, While Apostles was at Corinth; Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples [SUP]2 [/SUP]and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”
They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”
[SUP]3 [/SUP]So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?”
“John’s baptism,” they replied.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” [SUP]5 [/SUP]On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 19:6-7 [SUP]6 [/SUP]When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied. [SUP]7 [/SUP]There were about twelve men in all.
Act 11:15 “As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’
When Paul place his hand on them and prayed and they receive Holy Spirit and that the baptism of Holy Spirit and born again.
Acts 8: [SUP]17 [/SUP]Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
Since they are the ones that receive the Holy Spirit they have the authority to distribute the Holy Spirit.
Also peter and John place their hands on them and they baptised in Holy Spirit OR BORN AGAIN in Spirit.
PLEASE READ MY SHORT ARTICLES

 

[Enga]

The meaning of Born again is different, you have to bornagain in spirit and that born again in spirit is the baptism of Holy Spirit andthe baptism of Holy Spirit is actually the distribution of Gift of God. Thatbaptism in Holy Spirit is still unknown today. Because the baptism of holyspirit the ceased in the past. John3:5-8 stated that, we have to baptised in water and Holy spirit to enterKingdom of God.
Please visit my block and article to know more,
Acts 19:1-4, While Apostles was at Corinth;Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he foundsome disciples [SUP]2 [/SUP]and asked them, “Did youreceive the Holy Spirit when[SUP] [/SUP]you believed?”
They answered, “No, we havenot even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”
[SUP]3 [/SUP]So Paul asked, “Then what baptism didyou receive?”
“John’s baptism,” theyreplied.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Paul said, “John’s baptism was abaptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming afterhim, that is, in Jesus.” [SUP]5 [/SUP]On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of theLord Jesus.
Acts 19:6-7 [SUP]6 [/SUP]When Paul placed hishands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues andprophesied. [SUP]7 [/SUP]There were about twelve men inall.
Act11:15[SUP] [/SUP]“As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them ashe had come on us at the beginning. [SUP]16 [/SUP]ThenI remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized withwater, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’
When Paul place his hand on them and prayed and they receiveHoly Spirit and that the baptism of Holy Spirit and born again.
Acts8: [SUP]17 [/SUP]Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, andthey received the Holy Spirit.
Since they are the ones that receive theHoly Spirit they have the authority to distribute the Holy Spirit.
Also peter and John place their hands on them and theybaptised in Holy Spirit OR BORN AGAIN in Spirit.
PLEASE READ MY SHORT ARTICLES

 

[Mitspa]

Yhvh says Hebrew is the language of Scripture. He knows.

It is the language of the Old Testament ...But God chose the Greek for the New Testament...this is pretty common knowledge.

 

[jeff_peacemkr]

Yhvh trumps common knowledge every day.

 

[Mitspa]

Yhvh trumps common knowledge every day.

Well you can call Him Yhvh or what ever... I call Him Abba Father and no man knows the Father except through the Son...The Jews new all these names of God Yet they didn't know God..

 

[Chopper]

Again I ask you what respected biblical scholar believes there is ANY evidence of what you have tried to affirm on this thread? Thatb the New Testament was really written in Hebrew and not Greek? That is contrary to all known writtings of that time and there is absolutely no evidence of that anywhere...in fact it is well established that the epistles where first written in Greek to the Gentile Churches...which only makes sense. Also again I would ask if someone accepts your error, why was no instructions given to these people who translated the Hebrew to the Greek to be careful to translate the Hebrew into Greek but in a Hebrew type sound? That just makes no sense!

Here is just one clue to start you with...

Hebrew New Testament

Search for Him because of your desire to get to know Him, not know about Him, and He will reveal Himself to you.
Search with your heart, not your mind, for He is there when you search in spirit.

 

[Mitspa]

Here is just one clue to start you with...

Hebrew New Testament

Search for Him because of your desire to get to know Him, not know about Him, and He will reveal Himself to you.
Search with your heart, not your mind, for He is there when you search in spirit.

Look just because I disagree in strong terms about the fact that the New Testament was first written in Greek...you don't have to try to question my relationship with Abba Father .. And its just recent that the New Testament was translated FROM THE GREEK to the Hebrew..you might want to look at that. A also hope you grow in grace and knowledge of my Lord Jesus Christ and some day you can forget all this Hebrew name nonsense and just call the Father...Abba

 

[Chopper]

Mispa, I appreciate your concern, and your desire for me to know your "my Lord Jesus Christ" as you put it, to which I have known since I was 19, to this very year (I'm 48, and have grown up as a church member almost all my life, but didn't get born again until 19), but I have also been given more light as I grow in seeking Him with all my heart. There is always more light to be given to those that continually seek Him and do not let themselves become complacent.

"Forget all this Hebrew name nonsense" is just not something I'm inclined to do, considering once again, the language the 10 Commandments were written in, by His very finger. That might not mean anything to you that He chose a specific language, but for me, I think there is a specific reason, other than it being the language they spoke currently.

 

[didymos]

Well you can call Him Yhvh or what ever... I call Him Abba Father and no man knows the Father except through the Son...The Jews new all these names of God Yet they didn't know God..

They even decided to NOT utter the name of the God they didn't know,
and on top of that they decided not to believe in Him too. Curious people those jews.

Anyway, this is a thread about catholic heresy, not jewish heresy. Let's not derail it.

 

[jeff_peacemkr]

don't ya know- it's the rcc that forbids printing, in the bible, or on paper, in any document or book ,
the name of the creator.

it's the rcc that forbids saying the name of the creator, or teaching it, or worshiping HIM, or honoring HIM in any way.

they have not ever honored HIM since constantine took power. (or rather hasatan through constantine).

They even decided to NOT utter the name of the God they didn't know,
and on top of that they decided not to believe in Him too. Curious people those jews.

Anyway, this is a thread about catholic heresy, not jewish heresy. Let's not derail it.