There is nothing wrong with the word CATHOLIC but i have a problem praying to Mary and idols (of course you will say they are saints). Nowhere did Yeshua ask or request us to pray to Him oh! yes, its written in John 15:16 KJV* Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father IN MY NAME, he may give it you. ahh see? i also have problem with the word "DENOMINATION" Just saying.i agree that NEW TESTAMENT IS WRITTEN IN GREEK - WHATEVER YOU SAY AND THINK ISN'T final its just that i tend to disagree sometime and yet Yahshua still love all of us. Stay blessed
Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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Fair enough...But consider that the Jews in large part rejected the truth and God spoke to the Gentile world..He used the common language of the people of that time. I would also add that the ministry of death written and engraved in stones was nailed to the Cross with Christ...maybe we can discuss these issue on a different thread at some point...God Bless 
The Greater Sanhedren and all the lesser Sanhedrens of every town in ancient Israel were dissolved in 358 AD. Israel was substantially emptied of Jews in that land, the Romans having dispersed them far and wide following the Jewish revolts.
Christianity has nothing to do with Judaism since Acts 15's official separation, and even if Israel brings back the Sanhedrens, they would be restricted to that nation.
I suppose you are captivated by some website full of conspiracies. I think Judas fell because of such associations with zealots, so be cautious how much of that makes up your study diet. If you would focus a year on the New Testament doctrines I believe you would be far better off.
Christianity has nothing to do with Judaism since Acts 15's official separation, and even if Israel brings back the Sanhedrens, they would be restricted to that nation.
I suppose you are captivated by some website full of conspiracies. I think Judas fell because of such associations with zealots, so be cautious how much of that makes up your study diet. If you would focus a year on the New Testament doctrines I believe you would be far better off.
Fair enough...But consider that the Jews in large part rejected the truth and God spoke to the Gentile world..He used the common language of the people of that time. I would also add that the ministry of death written and engraved in stones was nailed to the Cross with Christ...maybe we can discuss these issue on a different thread at some point...God Bless
Of course the 10 are the foundation of the Mosaic Law. No problem with that here. That's a fact.
Jews can retain that all they want.
But us Christians live by the agreement of the apostles AND the Circumcision in Acts 15:10-12 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
The "all" included the Jews promoting Moses upon Gentiles.
God shut the Jews up. That was their end, put back upon them for themselves.
Ever since then the Circumcision, those insisting on Judaism, have resorted to behind our back guerrilla warfare. They have sought through the ages to this day to subvert that agreement, looking for any way to claim Gentile Christians back to their religion. Jesus ended the need for "religion".
Anyone promoting anything peculiar to the Jews, pressing it upon the non-Jewish believers, is of Satan. The children of Satan must detract from the Lord Jesus. That includes demanding their name of God be conformed to. That name was not negotiable in Acts 15.
THE reason Jews insist on their Hebrew name of God is an attempt to halt anyone from calling upon Jesus' name for salvation.
I say to that SALAMI, SALAMI, Baloney.
Jews and Gentiles alike must call upon the SON of God, JESUS, for salvation. Not Yehovah, or whatever it is insisted upon.
The Father God has placed Jesus at the helm of man's salvation. Do not risk your salvation looking to the FATHER GOD for salvation. He will not honor that.
1 Corinthians 6:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
[HR][/HR] Philippians 2:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
[HR][/HR] Colossians 3:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
Jews can retain that all they want.
But us Christians live by the agreement of the apostles AND the Circumcision in Acts 15:10-12 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
The "all" included the Jews promoting Moses upon Gentiles.
God shut the Jews up. That was their end, put back upon them for themselves.
Ever since then the Circumcision, those insisting on Judaism, have resorted to behind our back guerrilla warfare. They have sought through the ages to this day to subvert that agreement, looking for any way to claim Gentile Christians back to their religion. Jesus ended the need for "religion".
Anyone promoting anything peculiar to the Jews, pressing it upon the non-Jewish believers, is of Satan. The children of Satan must detract from the Lord Jesus. That includes demanding their name of God be conformed to. That name was not negotiable in Acts 15.
THE reason Jews insist on their Hebrew name of God is an attempt to halt anyone from calling upon Jesus' name for salvation.
I say to that SALAMI, SALAMI, Baloney.
Jews and Gentiles alike must call upon the SON of God, JESUS, for salvation. Not Yehovah, or whatever it is insisted upon.
The Father God has placed Jesus at the helm of man's salvation. Do not risk your salvation looking to the FATHER GOD for salvation. He will not honor that.
1 Corinthians 6:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
[HR][/HR] Philippians 2:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
[HR][/HR] Colossians 3:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
The irony of all this... Look at how the Sanhedrin acted, what they wore, and their traditions and additional laws, then compare that to the topic of this thread and you might find who replaced the Sanhedrin when they vanished. Trick is, the sanhedrin have reformed as of 2004, and are working on many things as we speak, namely one of them is the noahide laws, putting them into force for all non-Jews where they can.
I know we have kinda strayed from the topic already...so maybe we can discuss this on another thread? I uphold Gods Law but going from the "letter" to the "Spirit" demands that one accept the law was nailed to the Cross with Christ. "I through the law have died to the law"
"I through the law have died to the law"
Interesting, when Yahushua said "no man comes to the father but by me"...
"forgive them, for they know not what they do"
According to your statement, why would we need to go to the Father if Yah gave it all to Yahushua?
If I'm not mistaken, Yahushua is our mediator before the Father, having given Himself as a sacrifice for our sins that we may be forgiven and enter into His kingdom. He is our Door and Way to the Father, and our salvation against that which was a witness against us... our sins.
"forgive them, for they know not what they do"
According to your statement, why would we need to go to the Father if Yah gave it all to Yahushua?
If I'm not mistaken, Yahushua is our mediator before the Father, having given Himself as a sacrifice for our sins that we may be forgiven and enter into His kingdom. He is our Door and Way to the Father, and our salvation against that which was a witness against us... our sins.
Z
Christians pray to Mary and the saints because the Bible encourages it. Paul talks about intercessory prayer pleasing God (1 Tim. 2:1–4). Jesus requires us to pray for others (Matt. 5:44).
The Bible also instructs us to petition those in Heaven (Ps. 103:20-21 and Ps. 148:1-2). Revelation 5:8 and 8:3-5 talks about prayers sent to heaven and answered by those in Heaven.
The Bible also instructs us to petition those in Heaven (Ps. 103:20-21 and Ps. 148:1-2). Revelation 5:8 and 8:3-5 talks about prayers sent to heaven and answered by those in Heaven.
Well my bible says that there is only one mediator between God and man. That is of course Jesus Christ. 1 Tim 2:5 Pagan religions the world over practice prayer to objects and departed people mostly departed family members. We call it ancestor worship in most parts of the world. Rome calls it prayers to the saints.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
M
No! the Romans had to infiltrate and pervert the faith to stop the gospel from spreading... The catholic movement was and is the great falling away that Paul warns about. The Protestant reformation is an attempt to restore the truth of the gospel and get the Holy Spirit out of that can they swing around...
Z
No! the Romans had to infiltrate and pervert the faith to stop the gospel from spreading... The catholic movement was and is the great falling away that Paul warns about. The Protestant reformation is an attempt to restore the truth of the gospel and get the Holy Spirit out of that can they swing around...