Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[fordman]

Answering Catholic Claims: DID THE CATHOLIC CHURCH GIVE US THE BIBLE?

https://carm.org/did-roman-catholic-church-give-us-our-bible

Who Gave Us the Scriptures

Who Gave Us the Bible

Did The Roman Catholic Church Give Us The Bible?

Answering Catholic Claims: DID THE CATHOLIC CHURCH GIVE US THE BIBLE?

https://carm.org/did-roman-catholic-church-give-us-our-bible

Who Gave Us the Scriptures

Who Gave Us the Bible

Did The Roman Catholic Church Give Us The Bible?[/QUOTE]

What do you expect them to say coming from an anti-Catholic web-sites!

All this tells me is that they, Jackson123, Jeff_56, and you are calling the father of the reformation a bald face liar??? For he seemed pretty confident to give credit where credit was due when he said:
"We are compelled to concede to the Papists (Catholics) that they have the Word of GOD, that we received it from them, and that without them, we should have no knowledge of it at all." - Martin Luther, commentary on St John

If so, I bet it makes ya wonder what other lies he (Martin Luther) fed you Protestant's



Pax Christi


"For he has looked upon his handmaid's lowless; behold, from now on all ages call me blessed." Lk.1:48.

 

[Jeff_56]

haven't you noticed yet -- GOD , JESUS, and ALL TRUE BELIEVERS are anti-catholic. the TRUTH IS anti-catholic.

the GOSPEL is anti-catholic. everything good, every good gift from above, is anti-catholic.


little children who might pass by- keep yourselves from all the idols of the rcc. (and the rest of the world too).

 

[GaryA]

However, my question is --- are are willing to hear...???

However, my question is --- are you willing to hear...???

( )

 

[Utah]

not all Christians are Catholic.

Thank God!

 

[Jackson123]

Answering Catholic Claims: DID THE CATHOLIC CHURCH GIVE US THE BIBLE?

https://carm.org/did-roman-catholic-church-give-us-our-bible

Who Gave Us the Scriptures

Who Gave Us the Bible

Did The Roman Catholic Church Give Us The Bible?

What do you expect them to say coming from an anti-Catholic web-sites!

All this tells me is that they, Jackson123, Jeff_56, and you are calling the father of the reformation a bald face liar??? For he seemed pretty confident to give credit where credit was due when he said:
"We are compelled to concede to the Papists (Catholics) that they have the Word of GOD, that we received it from them, and that without them, we should have no knowledge of it at all." - Martin Luther, commentary on St John

If so, I bet it makes ya wonder what other lies he (Martin Luther) fed you Protestant's



Pax Christi


"For he has looked upon his handmaid's lowless; behold, from now on all ages call me blessed." Lk.1:48.[/QUOTE]

Martin did not know that Waldensian have bible before catholic. so he didn't liar. He is human an fallible.

He is not infallible Pope.

 

[KenAllan]

What is interesting is that all the Cults first redefine meanings of many words. When a church redefines a meaning of a word proves that this Church is a cult. The Catholics say that "all" does not mean everything but only mean somethings but not all things. This is a sign of a Cult.

How can we debate with the Catholics when they have different meanings for the Words in the Scriptures? To the Catholics "all" and "none" have very different meanings then the ones used by the Holy Spirit. Every single Cult uses different meanings for Words to try to deceive the very Elect from God.

Yesterday i listened to a prayer from a Cardinal in the Catholic Church. He did not ask Mary to "Pray" for him, he actually asked Mary to protect him and watch over him and keep him from harm. By praying this he made Mary his god. What more proof do we need that shows that the Catholics worship Mary as their god?

I do not trust anything the Catholics say for i have caught them in many lies. The can deny all they want that they do not worship Mary as their god, but their actions prove they do worship Mary which is a Mortal sin that will keep them out of Heaven.

 

[keeth]

Answering Catholic Claims: DID THE CATHOLIC CHURCH GIVE US THE BIBLE?

https://carm.org/did-roman-catholic-church-give-us-our-bible

Who Gave Us the Scriptures

Who Gave Us the Bible

Did The Roman Catholic Church Give Us The Bible?

What do you expect them to say coming from an anti-Catholic web-sites!

All this tells me is that they, Jackson123, Jeff_56, and you are calling the father of the reformation a bald face liar??? For he seemed pretty confident to give credit where credit was due when he said:
"We are compelled to concede to the Papists (Catholics) that they have the Word of GOD, that we received it from them, and that without them, we should have no knowledge of it at all." - Martin Luther, commentary on St John

If so, I bet it makes ya wonder what other lies he (Martin Luther) fed you Protestant's



Pax Christi


"For he has looked upon his handmaid's lowless; behold, from now on all ages call me blessed." Lk.1:48.

Calling the sites I provided anti-catholic does not wipe away all the truth presented on them. Please do provide a more detailed reference to your above quote by Luther, I should like to examine it in more context.

 

[Jeff_56]

we are unsuccessful in any debate with demon controlled catholics. they have to go to someone who can deliver them if they want to be set free from hasatan. those who have come here have not come to be set free from their father hasatan, but to argue to protect their sinful ways, so no one in heaven nor on earth nor under the earth can help them,
until they turn to yahweh for his salvation.(healing).

we are unsuccessful in any debate, any conversation at all, with demons. we are not supposed to converse with them. when we meet them in person, they flee at the name of Jesus. no big deal.

but here, they (the demons) have found a comfortable dwelling place in the roman catholics, and they will milk it for everything they have. then, they will discard the bodies, the souls already lost, long ago lost, and
the demons will discard with the bodies when they feel like it, never having had any caring nor compassion nor love for them.

just like the nazi gestapo, so also has been and always was the hierarchy of the rcc. it hated the truth so much,

it murdered or kicked out anyone who sought for the truth, the leaders are completely without a conscience.

 

[yogosans14]

we are unsuccessful in any debate with demon controlled catholics. they have to go to someone who can deliver them if they want to be set free from hasatan. those who have come here have not come to be set free from their father hasatan, but to argue to protect their sinful ways, so no one in heaven nor on earth nor under the earth can help them,
until they turn to yahweh for his salvation.(healing).

we are unsuccessful in any debate, any conversation at all, with demons. we are not supposed to converse with them. when we meet them in person, they flee at the name of Jesus. no big deal.

but here, they (the demons) have found a comfortable dwelling place in the roman catholics, and they will milk it for everything they have. then, they will discard the bodies, the souls already lost, long ago lost, and
the demons will discard with the bodies when they feel like it, never having had any caring nor compassion nor love for them.

just like the nazi gestapo, so also has been and always was the hierarchy of the rcc. it hated the truth so much,

it murdered or kicked out anyone who sought for the truth, the leaders are completely without a conscience.

Seek psychiatric help.

 

[Jeff_56]

i guess you did, or would. you got help from hasatan instead of yahshua or you wouldn't post in favor of the anti-christ.

seek yahweh (truth, hope, joy of salvation in yahshua)

then maybe, just maybe (if he is willing), you also may be saved.

Seek psychiatric help.

 

[ThomistColin]

Psychiatry is now the anti-Christ?!

 

[KenAllan]

The Catholic Church never wrote the Bible. It may have put the Books together, but the Catholic Church never wrote the Bible.

The Bible was written by Men who had the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit who told these men what to write. No Catholic was ever directed or used by God to write any of the Books in the Bible.

No Pope was ever used to write anything in the Bible! Before you Catholics get your panties in a dither, Peter was NEVER a Catholic. Peter was what we call today a Protestant.

Everything written in the Bible was from Godly Men directed by the Holy Spirit! Therefor for the Catholics to claim they wrote the Bible is a lie and is a Mortal sin. And if the Catholics claim they did not write the Bible but only compiled it, then why are the Catholics refusing to follow what the Holy Spirit wrote in the Bible?

To claim Mary was sinless proves the Catholic Church is not following God, but instead are following the teachings of evil men who never had received Salvation. God never needed Mary's help in keeping Jesus sinless because there is nothing Impossible with God. To claim God needed Mary's help is saying that God is powerless and needed the help of a sinner.

Without the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit how can a person understand what the Scriptures says? Its only by the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit can we understand what the Scriptures says!

Now i ask you Catholics, who has more authority on what the Scriptures teach, the Holy Spirit or the Catholic Church? Be careful on how you answer. For if you say the Catholic Church has more Authority, then this proves you do not have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit and you have not received Salvation. If you say the Holy Spirit has more Authority, then why are you rejecting the Truths from the Holy Spirit for the lies of the Catholic Church?

 

[GaryA]

The Catholic Church never wrote the Bible. It may have put the Books together, but the Catholic Church never wrote the Bible.

The Bible was written by Men who had the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit who told these men what to write. No Catholic was ever directed or used by God to write any of the Books in the Bible.

No Pope was ever used to write anything in the Bible! Before you Catholics get your panties in a dither, Peter was NEVER a Catholic. Peter was what we call today a Protestant.

Everything written in the Bible was from Godly Men directed by the Holy Spirit! Therefor for the Catholics to claim they wrote the Bible is a lie and is a Mortal sin. And if the Catholics claim they did not write the Bible but only compiled it, then why are the Catholics refusing to follow what the Holy Spirit wrote in the Bible?

To claim Mary was sinless proves the Catholic Church is not following God, but instead are following the teachings of evil men who never had received Salvation. God never needed Mary's help in keeping Jesus sinless because there is nothing Impossible with God. To claim God needed Mary's help is saying that God is powerless and needed the help of a sinner.

Without the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit how can a person understand what the Scriptures says? Its only by the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit can we understand what the Scriptures says!

Now i ask you Catholics, who has more authority on what the Scriptures teach, the Holy Spirit or the Catholic Church? Be careful on how you answer. For if you say the Catholic Church has more Authority, then this proves you do not have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit and you have not received Salvation. If you say the Holy Spirit has more Authority, then why are you rejecting the Truths from the Holy Spirit for the lies of the Catholic Church?

While I generally agree with what is being said -- this statement is not true.

A protestant - by definition ( historically ) - is one who "protested" against the Catholic Church and its Doctrine ( historically ).

Peter could not have been a protestant, because the Catholic Church did not yet exist!

Protestants are those who "protested" and "came out of" / "seperated themselves from" the Catholic Church over differences in Doctrinal belief. This is historical fact.

Peter was simply part of the original Church -- which did stand against Catholicsm when it came into existance ( a few hundred years later ). However, it was never part of Catholicism - and hence - never 'Catholic', and never 'Protestant'...

EDIT: Well -- some stood against it - some joined it. The part that stood against it was never 'Catholic'.

 

[yogosans14]

i guess you did, or would. you got help from hasatan instead of yahshua or you wouldn't post in favor of the anti-christ.

seek yahweh (truth, hope, joy of salvation in yahshua)

then maybe, just maybe (if he is willing), you also may be saved.

Did I miss the rule where we have to say the "yahshua" instead of Jesus and "Yahweh" instead of lord

 

[keeth]

Answering Catholic Claims: DID THE CATHOLIC CHURCH GIVE US THE BIBLE?

https://carm.org/did-roman-catholic-church-give-us-our-bible

Who Gave Us the Scriptures

Who Gave Us the Bible

Did The Roman Catholic Church Give Us The Bible?

What do you expect them to say coming from an anti-Catholic web-sites!

All this tells me is that they, Jackson123, Jeff_56, and you are calling the father of the reformation a bald face liar??? For he seemed pretty confident to give credit where credit was due when he said:
"We are compelled to concede to the Papists (Catholics) that they have the Word of GOD, that we received it from them, and that without them, we should have no knowledge of it at all." - Martin Luther, commentary on St John

If so, I bet it makes ya wonder what other lies he (Martin Luther) fed you Protestant's



Pax Christi


"For he has looked upon his handmaid's lowless; behold, from now on all ages call me blessed." Lk.1:48.[/QUOTE]

Could you please supply the source or internet site where you got the above quote from Martin Luther. I've been looking for it, and can't find it. I would like to see it in its original context.

 

[Alextor]

Wow!! Can’t believe that this thread was even posted. Shame on you. Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas (Peter),” or “I am of Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? For you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men? Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to teach us, listen to what He is telling us. Stop sucking milk from a bottle and move on to solid food.

 

[GaryA]

Wow!! Can’t believe that this thread was even posted. Shame on you. Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas (Peter),” or “I am of Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? For you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men? Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to teach us, listen to what He is telling us. Stop sucking milk from a bottle and move on to solid food.

Funny you should say that... It is from the "solid food" of the Word that the Holy Spirit teaches us that the idea of "Catholic Heresy" which is expressed in the title and original post of this thread is true.

 

[Alextor]

Funny you should say that... It is from the "solid food" of the Word that the Holy Spirit teaches us that the idea of "Catholic Heresy" which is expressed in the title and original post of this thread is true.


I apologize if I offended you with my statement. To me being like minded is having the mind of our Lord Jesus Christ, in which Paul emphasizes threw out his writings. As stated in 1 Timothy 2:4, God “who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth,” is the mind set that I try keep myself. Catholic, Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, Baptist, Mormon, Methodist, etc, God’s desire for them is still the same and has not changed regardless of how they were brought up or taught in their beliefs. There are millions of Catholics in the world and when one of the first things you see when coming to this site is a bold print statement “Catholicism heresy” how many of our Christian brothers and sisters who were brought up in the Catholic Faith are going to go elsewhere? I myself do not believe what main stream Christianity teaches because it is not biblical based. As Peter states in 2 Peter 3:9 that the Lord is “not willing that any should perish but that all should co to repentance”. It is not the Lords will that any man should perish so why does main stream Christianity teach that men will perish? The Lords will be done. Philippians 2:10-11 says “that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” Not a few, not just some, but every. We need to trust our Father that in this age or the age to come He will reveal his love and give understanding to all. Why does main stream Christianity not teach this? Again God’s desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth, and what is that truth? 1 Timothy 2:5-6 “For there is on God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” Not a few, not just some, but for all. To deter someone from this knowledge based on the belief system that they have been taught from man is wrong. Our Father loves us all. John says this about our Lord Jesus in 1 John 2:2 “He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.” Not a few, not just some, but for the whole world. Why does main stream Christianity not teach this? In fact Paul instructs Timothy to teach this very thing, 1 Timothy 4: 9-11 states “This is a faithful saying an worthy of all acceptance. For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. These things command and teach.” God is the Savior of all men, not a few, not just some, but of all. Why does main stream Christianity not teach this? Again I apologize if my earlier post offended you.

 

[didymos]

Did I miss the rule where we have to say the "yahshua" instead of Jesus and "Yahweh" instead of lord

Guys, guys... this is the 'catholic bashing thread,' not the 'judaizer bashing' thread.

 

[Jackson123]

Funny you should say that... It is from the "solid food" of the Word that the Holy Spirit teaches us that the idea of "Catholic Heresy" which is expressed in the title and original post of this thread is true.


I apologize if I offended you with my statement. To me being like minded is having the mind of our Lord Jesus Christ, in which Paul emphasizes threw out his writings. As stated in 1 Timothy 2:4, God “who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth,” is the mind set that I try keep myself. Catholic, Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, Baptist, Mormon, Methodist, etc, God’s desire for them is still the same and has not changed regardless of how they were brought up or taught in their beliefs. There are millions of Catholics in the world and when one of the first things you see when coming to this site is a bold print statement “Catholicism heresy” how many of our Christian brothers and sisters who were brought up in the Catholic Faith are going to go elsewhere? I myself do not believe what main stream Christianity teaches because it is not biblical based. As Peter states in 2 Peter 3:9 that the Lord is “not willing that any should perish but that all should co to repentance”. It is not the Lords will that any man should perish so why does main stream Christianity teach that men will perish? The Lords will be done. Philippians 2:10-11 says “that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” Not a few, not just some, but every. We need to trust our Father that in this age or the age to come He will reveal his love and give understanding to all. Why does main stream Christianity not teach this? Again God’s desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth, and what is that truth? 1 Timothy 2:5-6 “For there is on God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” Not a few, not just some, but for all. To deter someone from this knowledge based on the belief system that they have been taught from man is wrong. Our Father loves us all. John says this about our Lord Jesus in 1 John 2:2 “He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.” Not a few, not just some, but for the whole world. Why does main stream Christianity not teach this? In fact Paul instructs Timothy to teach this very thing, 1 Timothy 4: 9-11 states “This is a faithful saying an worthy of all acceptance. For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. These things command and teach.” God is the Savior of all men, not a few, not just some, but of all. Why does main stream Christianity not teach this? Again I apologize if my earlier post offended you.

Because God desire all man save, make you believe Catholic, Hindu, Buddha and Muslim save?

Killer, rapist, robber save as well?