Ten Commandments According to Obama

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Any 'Christian' that is praying for Obama to die does not understand the character of God. We are Christians....little Christs which MEANS... we are to exude the LOVE of Christ toward everyone. He answers the prayers that are within His will, those being that Obama come to Christ and be saved. Christ came and shed His blood so that NONE should perish.
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Do you think that God didn't KNOW that all this would happen...didn't ordain that all of this would happen??

The question is this? Will the Christian America ARISE?? Or will the Church in the US be that which is overcome, rather than the overcomer that God intended for it to be?? Will each one of be a part of the problem, refusing to worship with other Chrisitans and be of ONE mind, the MIND of CHRIST, because their style of worship is different? Holy Spirit doesn't give a blasted **** about the style! And What is scarier?? Is that most of you are more concerned about my usage of the word '****' than you are about the state of the Church in this country.
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Excellent, preach on
 
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Hasn't Obama already earned the respect simply by virtue of being voted by the majority to be President? Or would you prefer, like the last President, for Obama to start with respect, and then leave office with the title of "most unpopular president".

As far as I can tell, Obama is doing the right things by what Scripture says. He actually makes an effort to talk with his enemies, , Libya, Egypt, Russia, the middle east etc, he seems to actually listen to what others say. Scripture says to love our enemies, he is doing that in a sort of political diplomatic way. So that is one of his strong points, if anyone would care to mention. And unlike previous president, can actually talk proper english.
The Bible says love your neighbor, but it doesn't say to put millions of lives in danger by pandering to them, and where in scripture does it say to hate and kill as many babies as possible. Obama is as anti christian as one can get.
 
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Are you going up in the first resurrection with the NT saints prior to the tribulation?
Wow way off subject, however to answer you question. No one is the first resurrection is after the tribulation via Revelation 20:4-6
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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Exactly we should not pray for anti christs, and Obama is a hater of all things christian.
Yea, often Jesus is misquoted, especially 'Sermon on the Mount' which was a sermon preached to a diverse gathering of His early followers and diciples, Jesus preached peace and love between Christians, within the body of Christ, this was because He was bringing a diverse group of people together, and this is as relevant now as it was then, but in context of who He is delivering His message to. This message was to break down the boundries that had existed before His followers came together because they were from different walks of life, different groups, tribes and status, different countries and families, whom had often been enemies in the past, but now UNDER HIS LORDSHIP, THER ARE TO BE NO ENEMIES, BUT ALL ARE ONE IN CHRIST, with Him at the head, but to the devils, to the anti-christs, to those who seek to kill Him and His sheep- Jesus sends a different message, He brings the sword, He brings vengence, He brings division; as He says "Those that will not have it that I may reign over them; bring them before Me and slay them."

Christianity is not a be at peace with the world religion, it is not a religion for pacifists, we are not to tolerate those who are contrary to God and His ways, we are not to tolerate those that destroy His body, we are not to tolerate the destruction of what He brought into the world, do not pray for anti-christs, let the wrath of God be upon them and fight like all the true Christians that came before you, and if you fight and die, so be it, the Lord will repay!
 
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Well the bible tells us to pray for leaders and kings and those in authority. In their day, those leaders were far worse than Obama, yet they still said to pray for them.
 
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You know you don't have to have a 100% Christian person as leader of a country for him or her to do God's will. Having Obama just might be God's judgement. Or, he could also be God's blessing.
 
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1Ti 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
1Ti 2:2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.


Cup you don't know scripture very well do you.
 
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1Ti 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
1Ti 2:2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.


Cup you don't know scripture very well do you.
'Snail, I am quite aware of those verses. "men" when the Bible talks of "men", God infers that as a title, that He bestows, not that a "man" may call himself a "man", God decides who deserves to be called a "man", He may not even give the title of "human" to being that appears to us to be "human", may look "human" in our eyes, but to God this "human" may be a "beast", or He somtimes calls them "brutes", or just not a title at all; just some 'vessel of destruction', 'those that perish', or simply 'sinner'. "All men" means all those whom God consideres to be "men", you may have two arms and two legs, and walk upright, does not mean that God considers you a human being or worthy of such a title, you may be just another devil infected beast who God plans to destroy, in that case God is not going to allow a distinguished Apostle to give his precious blessing to you.

As for "kings" and "those in authority", that is a very great title betowed by God, God decides who is King, who us humans call "King" is another matter, who beasts call "king" is another matter. For example you will find "Kings" in depths of the South American jungles, does not mean God approves their kingship. Authority, well it is the same, Paul talks of those in authority in the body of Christ, in the Kingdom, whose Kingdom? Well we have had "Kings" and men of authority appointed by God, and we are to listen to them if they are appointed by God, but if they are not then we cannot follow them..."YOU CANNOT SERVE TWO MASTERS", so choose whom you serve, if it is 'Baal' then follow 'Baal' if it is the Lord Jesus then follow Him, whom does the Lord appoint as our authority? You may be suprised at the answer, it may be someone you don't expect. It is not the world who decides who is a "king" or who has the right to lead His sheep, God decides! But if some would rather kneel before the god of this world, if they choose to pray for the anti-christs, if they choose to sacrifice their time and resources and lives to the beast "kings" and "authority" their worldly authority, in "high place" that recieve their power from the dark spirits and Lucifer, then that is their way, they can go that way if they seek that. But do not expect God to be there with you.
 
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Cup, you are plainly wrong about this. The intention of those verses is to pray for those in authority, whoever they be. At the time, it was the emperor of Rome, who was a sure lot worse than Obama, he actually killed Christians.

Gill commentary on the bible says:

1Ti 2:2 For kings, and for all that are in authority,.... For supreme governors, as the emperor of Rome, and kings of particular nations; and for all sub-governors, or inferior magistrates, as procurators or governors of provinces, and proconsuls, and the like; all that were in high places, and acted under the authority of those that were supreme; these are particularly mentioned, the then governors, whether supreme or subordinate, who were avowed enemies, and violent persecutors of the saints; and it might be a scruple with some of them, whether they should pray for them, and therefore the apostle enjoins it; and this in opposition to the notions and practices of the Jews, who used to curse the Heathens, and pray for none but for themselves, and those of their own nation:



 
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Cup, you are plainly wrong about this. The intention of those verses is to pray for those in authority, whoever they be. At the time, it was the emperor of Rome, who was a sure lot worse than Obama, he actually killed Christians.

Gill commentary on the bible says:

1Ti 2:2 For kings, and for all that are in authority,.... For supreme governors, as the emperor of Rome, and kings of particular nations; and for all sub-governors, or inferior magistrates, as procurators or governors of provinces, and proconsuls, and the like; all that were in high places, and acted under the authority of those that were supreme; these are particularly mentioned, the then governors, whether supreme or subordinate, who were avowed enemies, and violent persecutors of the saints; and it might be a scruple with some of them, whether they should pray for them, and therefore the apostle enjoins it; and this in opposition to the notions and practices of the Jews, who used to curse the Heathens, and pray for none but for themselves, and those of their own nation:
Well I don't care for your 'Gill Commentary'.

That is not what Paul means at all, let me tell you what Paul says:

"But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; Knowing this that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobediant, for the ungodly and for the sinners, for unholy and profane, for muderers of fathers and muderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremogers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other contrary to sound doctrine." 1. Tim. 1:8-10

"Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear." 1 Tim. 5:20

"Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and His doctrine be not blasphemed. And they that have believing masters, let them not despise, because they are brethren, but rather do them service because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of benefit. These things teach and exhort" 1. Tim. 6:1-2

"If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even words of the Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; that man is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, wherefor cometh envy, strife railings, evil surmisings. Perverse disputings of men of currupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself." 1. Tim. 6:3-5

"But thou O man of God flee these things."

"Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not high minded."

O Timothy keep that which is commited to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings and oppositions of science falsely called. Which some professing have erred concerning the Faith."


Paul is trying to establish heirachy, and positions of power and authority in the Church, the Church - that is meant to be the Kingdom - the body of Christ - that is a kingdom, do you know what "kingdom" means? it has different levels and positions. Paul warns constantly of getting mixed up between what is Christ is building and what the ungodly world is building! Satan has lots of kingdoms, beasts have a kingdom, both four legged and two legged, does Paul mean to accept the rule and authority of a beast if it is put in charge of you, if a liar and unholy murderer wants to master you, does Paul suggest you should submit to his or it's authority even if it of the devil in total and utter defience to God, you should submit and pray for that!!!! NO! Paul constantly warns of that, he says 'flee', 'rebuke', 'charge', you are to fight or flee but never pray for them, never submit to them that are unholy, if you do then you are with them and you cannot serve two masters.



 
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All those verses you quote concern and are nothing to do with the topic at hand. But concern those within the church.

If you don't appreciate Gill's then perhaps the following commentaries which all say the same thing.

The funny thing is, none of them agree with your view.





Matthew Henry:

Pray for kings (1Ti_2:2); though the kings at this time were heathens, enemies to Christianity, and persecutors of Christians, yet they must pray for them, because it is for the public good that there should be civil government, and proper persons entrusted with the administration of it, for whom therefore we ought to pray, yea, though we ourselves suffer under them.



PNT:

For kings, and for all that are in authority. For all rulers over us. This duty is not dependent on the righteousness of the rulers. The Roman emperors were intensely wicked. Jews were enjoined to pray for their heathen rulers (Jer_29:7; Ezr_6:10).

John Wesley:

1Ti 2:2 For all that are in authority - Seeing even the lowest country magistrates frequently do much good or much harm. God supports the power of magistracy for the sake of his own people, when, in the present state of men, it could not otherwise be kept up in any nation whatever. Godliness - Inward religion; the true worship of God. Honesty - A comprehensive word taking in the whole duty we owe to our neighbour.

Barnes:

For kings - On the respect due to rulers, see the notes on Rom_13:1-7. The meaning here is, that while all people should be the subjects of prayer, those should be particularly remembered before the throne of grace who are in authority. The reason is, that so much depends on their character and plans; that the security of life, liberty, and property, depends so much on them. God has power to influence their hearts, and to incline them to what is just and equal; and hence we should pray that a divine influence may descend upon them. The salvation of a king is of itself of no more importance than that of a peasant or a slave; but the welfare of thousands may depend on him, and hence he should be made the special subject of prayer.
All that are in authority - Margin, or, "eminent place." This does not necessarily mean those who hold office, but refers to any of elevated rank. The happiness of all who are under their control depends greatly on them, and hence we should pray for them that they may be converted people, and inclined to do that which is right.


Darby

The apostle proceeds to give instructions founded on the great principles which he had established-on grace. The Jewish spirit might look on Gentile kings as enemies, and on Gentiles in general as unworthy of divine favour. The persecution of which Christians were the object gave the flesh occasion to nourish these dispositions and to enter into the spirit of the law. Grace rises above all these thoughts-all these feelings of the heart. It teaches us to think of all men with love. We belong to a Saviour-God, who acts in the gospel towards all men with love. Especially were they to pray for kings and those who had places in the world, that God would dispose their hearts to allow us to live in peace and quietness in all honesty. This was well-pleasing to a Saviour-God, who was willing that all men should be saved and be brought to know the truth.


 
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God loves all sinners but hate sin.Nobody is excluded from Gods love.Anybody can choose to accept Gods love or turn his back on God.We should try not to judge ,but at the same time we should not be afraid to expose lies or deception.I would be so glad if God could use me in some way to turn somebody in error, to Gods love and truth.And the more ungodly and terrible that person may have been , the bigger my joy would be and im sure Gods too.So yes there are some pretty nasty poeple out there but those are the poeple we as christians should go to first with the wonderfull news of Jesus Christ
 
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Well the bible tells us to pray for leaders and kings and those in authority. In their day, those leaders were far worse than Obama, yet they still said to pray for them.
I disagree we have yet to see how bad things will get under the reign of Obama.
 
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I do not follow politics. The signs are evident, These are the last days. All scripture must be fulfilled before the second coming of our lord and savior and my faith is in him, not any man. To raise awareness of political matters connected with our lords return may be your calling but the Holy Spirit has not charged me with such tasks.

This is what the Lord has shown me this day. There are many Judgments here. As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one. Especially i might add, concerning the judgments spoken from your flesh against the soul(s) you speak of. Know this and let this be spoken plainly, IT IS NOT THE MAN THAT IS OUR ENEMY, IT IS WHAT IS USING HIM AGAINST US. I pray for all to come to repentance and to accept the Christ who is Jesus, the son of the living God who has come in the flesh, for as many as god calls.

Know thy enemy.
Ephesians 6:12 (King James Version)
12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

2 Corinthians 10

3For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
4(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) 5Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Then ask god for his righteous judgments in the name his son Jesus, For none of our flesh is qualified. Thanks be and give glory unto God in Jesus name.

And as to those who speak against a whole nation: I caution you in your choice of words my dear brothers and sisters, I love you and pray daily love, and spiritual discernment for all of us in peace with and in the name of our Lord and savior Christ Jesus.

Matthew 15:11
11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”
Mark 7:15
15 There is nothing that enters a man from outside which can defile him; but the things which come out of him, those are the things that defile a man.
Mark 7:20

20 And He said, “What comes out of a man, that defiles a man.

The sermon on the mount was not misunderstood by all, only those that refuse to acknowledge that it was spoken plainly with no mystery. Know this, that the lord our God loved us enough to tell us his will and not only once but many times and he continues to.

Mark 12:29 29And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:30And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 31And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

and in the NKJV it is even Clearer 31 And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’[g] There is no other commandment greater than these.”

The second is like the first so be careful lest you hate your brother and not his sin which is the enemy, of the enemy, and unable to follow us unto heaven for our father in heaven shall see no corruption.

1 Corinthians 15:50 (King James Version)

50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

For we all bear the burdens of sin, no not one escapes it in this flesh except for Jesus Christ. Repent lest you find yourself preaching another doctrine other then that of Christ Jesus, the son of god who has come in the flesh.

Let they who have ears hear. Bless each and everyone one of my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus name.

Your Brother in Christ,
Mark David
 
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people say I'm crazy when I say Obama may be THE anti-christ because I'm black!!!
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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All those verses you quote concern and are nothing to do with the topic at hand. But concern those within the church.

If you don't appreciate Gill's then perhaps the following commentaries which all say the same thing.

The funny thing is, none of them agree with your view.





Matthew Henry:

Pray for kings (1Ti_2:2); though the kings at this time were heathens, enemies to Christianity, and persecutors of Christians, yet they must pray for them, because it is for the public good that there should be civil government, and proper persons entrusted with the administration of it, for whom therefore we ought to pray, yea, though we ourselves suffer under them.



PNT:

For kings, and for all that are in authority. For all rulers over us. This duty is not dependent on the righteousness of the rulers. The Roman emperors were intensely wicked. Jews were enjoined to pray for their heathen rulers (Jer_29:7; Ezr_6:10).

John Wesley:

1Ti 2:2 For all that are in authority - Seeing even the lowest country magistrates frequently do much good or much harm. God supports the power of magistracy for the sake of his own people, when, in the present state of men, it could not otherwise be kept up in any nation whatever. Godliness - Inward religion; the true worship of God. Honesty - A comprehensive word taking in the whole duty we owe to our neighbour.

Barnes:

For kings - On the respect due to rulers, see the notes on Rom_13:1-7. The meaning here is, that while all people should be the subjects of prayer, those should be particularly remembered before the throne of grace who are in authority. The reason is, that so much depends on their character and plans; that the security of life, liberty, and property, depends so much on them. God has power to influence their hearts, and to incline them to what is just and equal; and hence we should pray that a divine influence may descend upon them. The salvation of a king is of itself of no more importance than that of a peasant or a slave; but the welfare of thousands may depend on him, and hence he should be made the special subject of prayer.
All that are in authority - Margin, or, "eminent place." This does not necessarily mean those who hold office, but refers to any of elevated rank. The happiness of all who are under their control depends greatly on them, and hence we should pray for them that they may be converted people, and inclined to do that which is right.


Darby

The apostle proceeds to give instructions founded on the great principles which he had established-on grace. The Jewish spirit might look on Gentile kings as enemies, and on Gentiles in general as unworthy of divine favour. The persecution of which Christians were the object gave the flesh occasion to nourish these dispositions and to enter into the spirit of the law. Grace rises above all these thoughts-all these feelings of the heart. It teaches us to think of all men with love. We belong to a Saviour-God, who acts in the gospel towards all men with love. Especially were they to pray for kings and those who had places in the world, that God would dispose their hearts to allow us to live in peace and quietness in all honesty. This was well-pleasing to a Saviour-God, who was willing that all men should be saved and be brought to know the truth.

Kings; basileus - the word Paul is using for beginners is a word he only uses twice in his letters both times, it has nothing in referal to those proclaimed "kings" of the world, Paul uses basileus which means "the notion of the foundation of power" in a figurative sense "kings", relative, understand, it does not mean plural of a "king", it's just a crude translation, I mean what do you expect? a perfect translation right at your fingertips! Well God in all His wisdom has just about delivered that and we don't derserve it, yet all ignorant immature christians want to do is trust in the traditions of men and not the word of God. If you believe or anybody else and I don't care who they are because I know what the true meaning of the words are, if you believe that Paul means you should pray for anybody named "king" by their own toungue or anybody with an ounce of authority in this world you should send prayers to them, then you are decieved, and uneducated and ignorant, it is one of the great tradgedies that lack of knowledge persists when God has done all He can and should do to deliver enlightment and truth to His sheep, tyet they persist in the traditions of men, they persist in jewish fables and they persist in their blindness and ignorance.
 
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