Works for salvation? Yes.

[GreenNnice]

This probably should be said under Cookie's briilliantly said thread, ”TRUE GRACE SINS NO MORE,'but I am led to do a new thread....

Faith for salvation does not mean we are saved by works, and, Anaandadya, affirmed this fact, FFS means we WILL do works through the way of the Holy Spirit's leading from our way of understanding that born of God one does not sin because of.........

...God's grace .

Now, the only question remains as to 'what' grace COVERS all our sins ('do
not sin,' do you understand that 1 John 3:6 verse phrase?)

Behold !

What grace? What manner? What Love has the Father given unto us?

Jesus. Just Jesus. Understand Him, His death on the cross, and, sacrifice for ALL of mankinds sins. Just.
Just. Just. Jesus.

Read scriptures as Cookie states in her thread, and, yes, God absolutely DOES speak through others, like your church pastor(s), elders, parents,family, friends in Christ, et al, of how to do things of just Jesus and NOT believe the deception of the Enemy who wants us so wrapped up in our SIN.

YOU, CHRIST PEEPS, OF LIVING A LIFE FILLED WITH JUST JESUS AND CONSTANTLY REFILLING YOURSELF TO OVERFLOWING WITH THE Holy Spirit, DOES NOT SIN.

Read scriptures, of the Loving God, of the Holy Spirit's said correction, and, this is NOT conviction, as a convict already been proven guilty. But, you, mi compadres, are..........

...freeeeeeeeeeee, the Son of God (just Jesus) took away every LAST sin you EVER had and have now and will ever have. You are freeeeeeeee, indeed, FOREVERMORE, live in Him, and, walk with Him, practicing righteousness, as 1 John 3 states--more than once in its chapter--we should practice, just like, 'does not sin,' is more than once said in 1 John 1:3.

DOES NOT SIN

Don't let the Devil take YOUR sunshine away.

Just Jesus, He is The Light and we not only can be we are to be, NOT to be of darkness. Of that, there is NO question.

Ok, blessings to all, thanks for reading, I pray for great peace for you from Him (Dear Lord...Amen) after having read this thread. The Lord leads, and, guess what, so DOES The Devil. He is a horrible 'him!.'
Follow Him.

1 John 3:5 - And you know that He (Jesus) was manifested (shown) to take away our sins, and, in Him, there is no sin.

That's just Jesus, green, what about us?

1 John 3:6 - Whoever abides in Him (Jesus) does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.


Your works do SAVE you, they demonstrate your love to Him, and, The Holy Spirit will lead you with all grace, for where sin abounds grace abounds more. Sin= Devil. Grace=God..

Sin does not win over God, it is blotted out, for those in HIM are not perfect but are works(ing) toward
perfection. And, ALL of those having died to their sins through repentance and having chosen (elected) Him as their Lord and Saviour, through the Holy Spirit's leading, WILL, individually, in their lives, WALK toward His perfect perfection for them..Sounds perfect, does not 'it.' Ahh, my Christ peeps, it is

 

[CanadaNZ]

This probably should be said under Cookie's briilliantly said thread, ”TRUE GRACE SINS NO MORE,'but I am led to do a new thread....

Faith for salvation does not mean we are saved by works, and, Anaandadya, affirmed this fact, FFS means we WILL do works through the way of the Holy Spirit's leading from our way of understanding that born of God one does not sin because of.........

...God's grace .

Now, the only question remains as to 'what' grace COVERS all our sins ('do
not sin,' do you understand that 1 John 3:6 verse phrase?)

Behold !

What grace? What manner? What Love has the Father given unto us?

Jesus. Just Jesus. Understand Him, His death on the cross, and, sacrifice for ALL of mankinds sins. Just.
Just. Just. Jesus.

Read scriptures as Cookie states in her thread, and, yes, God absolutely DOES speak through others, like your church pastor(s), elders, parents,family, friends in Christ, et al, of how to do things of just Jesus and NOT believe the deception of the Enemy who wants us so wrapped up in our SIN.

YOU, CHRIST PEEPS, OF LIVING A LIFE FILLED WITH JUST JESUS AND CONSTANTLY REFILLING YOURSELF TO OVERFLOWING WITH THE Holy Spirit, DOES NOT SIN.

Read scriptures, of the Loving God, of the Holy Spirit's said correction, and, this is NOT conviction, as a convict already been proven guilty. But, you, mi compadres, are..........

...freeeeeeeeeeee, the Son of God (just Jesus) took away every LAST sin you EVER had and have now and will ever have. You are freeeeeeeee, indeed, FOREVERMORE, live in Him, and, walk with Him, practicing righteousness, as 1 John 3 states--more than once in its chapter--we should practice, just like, 'does not sin,' is more than once said in 1 John 1:3.

DOES NOT SIN

Don't let the Devil take YOUR sunshine away.

Just Jesus, He is The Light and we not only can be we are to be, NOT to be of darkness. Of that, there is NO question.

Ok, blessings to all, thanks for reading, I pray for great peace for you from Him (Dear Lord...Amen) after having read this thread. The Lord leads, and, guess what, so DOES The Devil. He is a horrible 'him!.'
Follow Him.

1 John 3:5 - And you know that He (Jesus) was manifested (shown) to take away our sins, and, in Him, there is no sin.

That's just Jesus, green, what about us?

1 John 3:6 - Whoever abides in Him (Jesus) does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.


Your works do SAVE you, they demonstrate your love to Him, and, The Holy Spirit will lead you with all grace, for where sin abounds grace abounds more. Sin= Devil. Grace=God..

Sin does not win over God, it is blotted out, for those in HIM are not perfect but are works(ing) toward
perfection. And, ALL of those having died to their sins through repentance and having chosen (elected) Him as their Lord and Saviour, through the Holy Spirit's leading, WILL, individually, in their lives, WALK toward His perfect perfection for them..Sounds perfect, does not 'it.' Ahh, my Christ peeps, it is

No your works do not save you! They show that you have been saved.

"
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them." (Eph 2:8-10)



It very clearly show that salvation through faith comes before and then works come from that faith/salvation.


"Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead." (James 2:17)


This shows us that you faith WILL produce works, for without works the faith does not exist (dead). But again salvation itself comes from/through faith not works.

 

[NoFallTooFar]

Grace is the empowerment to live sin-free. although, we all sin.

 

[GreenNnice]

No your works do not save you! They show that you have been saved.

"
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them." (Eph 2:8-10)

It very clearly show that salvation through faith comes before and then works come from that faith/salvation.


"Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead." (James 2:17)


This shows us that you faith WILL produce works, for without works the faith does not exist (dead). But again salvation itself comes from/through faith not works.

I will excerpt quote from Ana, from post #24 of 'TRUE GRACE SINS NO MORE' thread, CNz, this should explain things simply:

You don't work for your salvation. You work because you already have been saved and born again of the Holy Spirit....

, not sure if that is what you meant but your words seem to convey that you have to work for your salvation and that you have to be perfect and sinless and never stumble.

However you do allow the Holy Spirit to sanctify you and conform you into the image of Christ. this is called sanctification not salvation by most people.

Justification and Sanctification are two different things and should remain separate.

We are Justified through Christ and not our works. We are sanctified through chastenment and repentance and learning God's will.

Salvation is past, present and future.

We were saved by Christ death on the cross, we are being saved by the leading of the Holy Spirit and we will be saved upon resurrection and when we are given our new bodies in the future.


Yes, Ana ! What a gift of simplification of the Lord's will for our life for best grace you have been given to help others. Preach it, Christ sister

Grace is the empowerment to live sin-free. although, we all sin.

Holy Spirit is the power in us given from God of Himself for us to understand how to live sin-free. In Him, we will live sin free because born of God one 'does not sin.' (1 John 3: 6, 9) . Sure, we are going to fall, we are to 'practice righteousness,' ('practice' does not mean you are perfect, it meand
S, in this case, you are a PERFECT WORK of His and you are in progress ) but, bottom line, He, who is born of Christ's forgiveness through Jesus' death on cross , does not sin. Grace is the fruit of God in our life, given us to cover ALL sin, past, present, future, livng in Him, the only Way we can do this.
Live in His said blessings, magnify Him , glorify Him in your life. Our relationship with Him is personal, different and unique for ALL . Walk with Him, with ALL your heart, body, mind, soul, listen to.His ways for you. Like He servec man on Earth, you are to.serve Him, for this is how one presents themselves a holy , living sacrifice acceptable to Christ Jesus, and, shows how to live in His perfect will. Jeremiah 29:11
Romans 12:1

 

[AnandaHya]

salvation and sanctification are two different concepts Greenie... have to go to bed.

will pray about it and come back later and reread the post.

 

[GreenNnice]

salvation and sanctification are two different concepts Greenie... have to go to bed.

will pray about it and come back later and reread the post.

Ana: We are Justified through Christ and not our works. We are sanctified through chastenment and repentance and learning God's will.

Green: Yes.

I am exactly doing that, Ana, letting people know Christ's act changed everything (Galatians 2:16), but, Once we have accepted Christ, their is much work (works) to be done. But, yes, correct, 'works,' do not save us directly, but IF you are saved in grace through your faith you will want to do works. And, the Holy Spirit will lead us , we need not worry IF we are to sponsor a child, give EXTRA in the offering plate, take on a charity of some sort, like, hmm, I can't think of any, hmm, oh, yeah, Christian chat

 

[dishchat]

We had done anything to sin and we can't do anything to be saved. It is a permissive will of God.
God is the only one who can save us.
There is only one sin and it is unbelief. And the only work that you have to do is to believe.
John 6 vs 28:Then they said to him," what shall we do, that we may work the works of God?"
Jesus answered and said to them," This is the work of God , that you believe in Him whom He sent".

To do good job, to love people, etc... are the fruits that you believe in God.

 

[humblemark57]

Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Joh 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
Joh 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

YES, I agree with dishchat that the works one can do is to believe that in Christ Jesus alone is the way to salvation.


Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

 

[megaman125]

I have a question for Green. Why does your picture have the hebrew symbols for 666 followed by 3:16 underneith it?

Oh and about your arguement for works for salvation, the Bible disagrees with you.

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Ephesians 2:8-9

 

[feedm3]

I have a question for Green. Why does your picture have the hebrew symbols for 666 followed by 3:16 underneith it?

Oh and about your arguement for works for salvation, the Bible disagrees with you.

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Ephesians 2:8-9

Does Paul's statement in Eph 2:8-9 nullify these statements of Christ?

John 14:15: ¶If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 15:14: Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

Hebrews 5:9: And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Is Christ saying, if you want to love me, you have to earn it by good deeds? If you want be my friend you must earn it by doing what I say?

Is the Hebrew writer saying he is the author of eternal salivation unto all that EARN IT?

NO! - Christ is saying if we love him, if we are his friend, his brethren, then we are obeying him, if not we none of his. He is telling us to our duty to GOd, obey him - do the will of God ---obey the Christ he sent:
Matthew 12:50: For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.


What are the implications of these three passages?
Jn 14:15 - if you not keep his commands you do not love him.
Jn 15:14 - If you do not do whatsoever he commands us, your not his friend
Heb 5:9 - He is not the author of eternal salvation unto all them that do not obey him.
Matt 12:50 - those who do not do the will of the Father are not his brothers, sisters, family, they are not God's children.

Works as in good deeds do not save us. Yet obedience is essential to salvation. Obedience is not a "work" it a duty. A duty to obey whatsoever he says, i.e. repenting of sin, living pure, changing our manner of life.

Paul's message in Eph 2 is showing nothing we did, deserved God to send his son to die for us. Noone was so rightouess he shed his blood. That is the message, not saying that our obedience to God has nothing to do with salvation. Paul did not contradict Hebrews, nor Christ.
Luke 17:10: So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

 

[feedm3]

No your works do not save you! They show that you have been saved.

"
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them." (Eph 2:8-10)



It very clearly show that salvation through faith comes before and then works come from that faith/salvation.


"Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead." (James 2:17)


This shows us that you faith WILL produce works, for without works the faith does not exist (dead). But again salvation itself comes from/through faith not works.

So what is your defintaion of "a work"? Is repentance a work?

You say works will not save you, I agree if you mean by works a good deed, like helping people etc. But if you mean as in obedience to God, like repentance, adherence to his word, then I would have to stronly disagree.
God offers us salvation, we will take it, and then choose not to walk in the light as he is the light, he does not take it back, it is us who threw it back into his face, and rejected his offer.

Hebrews 10:28: He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Hebrews 10:29: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Hebrews 10:30: For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Hebrews 10:31: It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

This does not mean they were never saved, it means they did not appreciate that Christ died for them, and turned back to their life of sin, pleasing the flesh and walking after it.
This letter was written to the Hebrew church, the saved. Notice he is speaking this warning to Christians, "the Lord shall judge HIS PEOPLE", don't let anyone tell you we cannot be judged for sin after becoming a Christian. Nor that obedience is a "work".
This is one portion of many passages that tell us, we can reject our salvation after believing, by how we choose to live, if that is defined as a work, then so be it, but that is what the Bible tells us. I see it as a duty not a work, yet even if, I still can read the warnings written to Christians. - Luke 17:10

Some want to turn this into God's fault so they don't have to believe this, with things like "God is not an Indian giver", "a gift is free you don't have to earn it", .....

God is not an Indian giver, he gave it, and he will not take it back, yet you can throw it back at him and say I don't want your gift by doing sin, The gift is free, it did not cost you anything, yet to keep the gift you must abide by the standard he set for those who have the gift, if not you reject the gift and "receive the grace of God in vain" - II Cor 6:2.

 

[megaman125]

Does Paul's statement in Eph 2:8-9 nullify these statements of Christ?

John 14:15: ¶If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 15:14: Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

Hebrews 5:9: And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Is Christ saying, if you want to love me, you have to earn it by good deeds? If you want be my friend you must earn it by doing what I say?

Is the Hebrew writer saying he is the author of eternal salivation unto all that EARN IT?

NO! - Christ is saying if we love him, if we are his friend, his brethren, then we are obeying him, if not we none of his. He is telling us to our duty to GOd, obey him - do the will of God ---obey the Christ he sent:
Matthew 12:50: For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.


What are the implications of these three passages?
Jn 14:15 - if you not keep his commands you do not love him.
Jn 15:14 - If you do not do whatsoever he commands us, your not his friend
Heb 5:9 - He is not the author of eternal salvation unto all them that do not obey him.
Matt 12:50 - those who do not do the will of the Father are not his brothers, sisters, family, they are not God's children.

Works as in good deeds do not save us. Yet obedience is essential to salvation. Obedience is not a "work" it a duty. A duty to obey whatsoever he says, i.e. repenting of sin, living pure, changing our manner of life.

Paul's message in Eph 2 is showing nothing we did, deserved God to send his son to die for us. Noone was so rightouess he shed his blood. That is the message, not saying that our obedience to God has nothing to do with salvation. Paul did not contradict Hebrews, nor Christ.
Luke 17:10: So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

I don't reject any part of the Bible. All I'm saying is that we are not saved by works, which is true unless we're denying Ephesians 2:8-9.

Works do FOLLOW from faith, as shown in James 2:14-24. You are not saved by your works, you're saved by the grace of God, and your works should follow your faith.

What shall we say, then? That Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, a righteousness that is by faith; but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness did not succeed in reaching that law. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone, as it is written, “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense; and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”
Romans 9:30-33

Again, I'm not rejecting any part of the Bible, I'm just simply stating the fact that salvation by works is false teaching. (And I can quote Isaiah on this too if you'd like).

 

[GreenNnice]

We had done anything to sin and we can't do anything to be saved. It is a permissive will of God.
God is the only one who can save us.
There is only one sin and it is unbelief. And the only work that you have to do is to believe.
John 6 vs 28:Then they said to him," what shall we do, that we may work the works of God?"
Jesus answered and said to them," This is the work of God , that you believe in Him whom He sent".

To do good job, to love people, etc... are the fruits that you believe in God.

________
Absolutely, our action of choosing to believe in Him causes God to see us His. But once His, there is much works to be done , the harvest is plenty, the workers are few.
Yes, that is correct, simple to become His. John 3:16.....

Only believe

 

[feedm3]

I don't reject any part of the Bible. All I'm saying is that we are not saved by works, which is true unless we're denying Ephesians 2:8-9.

No I am not saying you are rejecting anything. Yet, I am saying that Eph 2:8-9 is not telling us that we are not saved by obeying God, of course with faith and grace.

When the Jews in acts 2 wanted to know what to do to be saved, they were told to repent and be baptized.

They already believed as their question came from Peters sermon. They were told to repent, i.e change you mind that leads to an action of obedience - being baptized. Would that be considered a work?

I am not sure, many on here have a different meaning of what works are.

No doubt we are saved by grace, and faith, yet not by grace and faith alone. There is the adherence that we are commanded to have on our part. If we do not, then we are not saved. Some say well that means they were never saved, I don't agree, but fine, they were never saved, why? Because they did not have obedience, they continued to live in sin, thus showing they did not love Christ.

The passages in Rom you cited are good passages pertaining to the Law of Moses, which was completely works based, because it only pointed or shadowed the work of Christ, in shedding his blood. After Christ has come their is no reason to be under a law system that only pointed to his coming. Yet this does not mean we have no responsibility, or no law at all. We still must keep His commands, or we are not saved.

Romans 6:1: What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Romans 6:2: God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Romans 6:3: Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Romans 6:4: Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Romans 6:5: For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Romans 6:6: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

II Corinthians 7:10: For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

Repentance to salvation ----this is again written to Christians. Paul is telling them he wrote them a letter that causes them to have godly sorrow concerning the sins he rebuked them for.

Then this sorrow lead to repentance, that leads to salivation. So we see it is not only by grace, otherwise they would have been fine in their sins. But they were not as Paul also wrote:

II Corinthians 6:1: We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.

How could they recieve the grace of God in vain? what does that mean?
It means exactly the samething the Hebrew's writer was saying in the last post and in this place:

Hebrews 10:26: For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

"WE" cannot mean those who were never saved, or the writer would be including himself in that group. The sacrifice cannot be speaking of the sacrificial system under the law of Moses, because what would that be implying, and what would the message here be?

All I am saying is in order for grace and faith to have an effect on us, we must adhere to the word of God by obeying it. I am not saying you said we do not, like I said, some have different meanings of "works". Thanks for your post/

 

[GreenNnice]

I have a question for Green. Why does your picture have the hebrew symbols for 666 followed by 3:16 underneith it?

Oh and about your arguement for works for salvation, the Bible disagrees with you.

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Ephesians 2:8-9

You misread my shirt.

M
John 3:16
Eternal Energy
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

That is what front of shirt is screenprinted.


You misunderstanding me, too, IF you think I believe in a salvation that is initially based on works.

I believe that the Holy Spirit leads you IF your life follows the word of God ways toward deepening your faith and you will do works, helping the poor, giving the needy things, sponsoriny children, helping family in need, giving to charities, supporting websites beamed on God's Word, etc.

But salvation is simply our choosing Christ into our life, having first repented of our past sins and changing not just our way of thinking but our way of doing things. Tjis 'changing' is NOT rasy,, been there, but that was me speaking..... As soon as I added 'He' to my conversation, asking the Holy Spirit to walk this journey of life with me, keeping me in line, LOL, then, that was when my yoke became easy because I let Him be the support and strength and guide and harness for my life.
And, now, I fear no one, for Thou art walking with me, keeping me, nestled, and, cared for, I don't wear just a tunic like David, as a shepherd, but I wear what He wore going into battle, armor, and, not just any armor, but the shield of faith, the breastplate of righteousness, and the helmet of salvation, and, my cool flying boots. Oh, sorry, just kidding about that, but, yeah, I guess, I can say this, I wear boots of peace.

Blessings, may the Lord Jesus Christ, who saved us from the law of sin and death, by dying on the cross, gteatly lead you in your life. Be led.

The Lord leads Proverbs 16:9 .

 

[megaman125]

Well feedm3, repenting involves faith, yes? You have to have faith in God, and faith that God forgives you of your sins.

 

[feedm3]

Well feedm3, repenting involves faith, yes? You have to have faith in God, and faith that God forgives you of your sins.

Well put, I agree 100%

 

[megaman125]

You misread my shirt.

M
John 3:16
Eternal Energy
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

That is what front of shirt is screenprinted.


You misunderstanding me, too, IF you think I believe in a salvation that is initially based on works.

I appologize for misunderstanding you on the salvation-works thing.

I think I had a slight misunderstanding of your shirt. I thought it looked like the Monster Energy logo, which is the symbol for 666. Upon googling, it seems the symbol on your shirt is slightly different, but still eriely similar.

Anyways, I'm tired now, so it's probably best I get some sleep before boching something else up. Goodnight folks.

 

[GreenNnice]

I appologize for misunderstanding you on the salvation-works thing.

I think I had a slight misunderstanding of your shirt. I thought it looked like the Monster Energy logo, which is the symbol for 666. Upon googling, it seems the symbol on your shirt is slightly different, but still eriely similar.

Anyways, I'm tired now, so it's probably best I get some sleep before boching something else up. Goodnight folks.

You didn't botch anything up, and, you won't IF you speak through Him. The Lord leads.

I.didn't know the symbol for the 'M' for 'Monster (energy drink). 666 ! Awesome, I just liked it for other reasons, awesome spiritual warfare shirt and I didn't know that, thanks for the 'fo, bro .

__________
Now, please understand, and, thanks all for helping me clarify more, God bless you for your faithful following Him for WHEREVER He has you go in life, but, yeah, let me explain:

Works, like baptisms and such , are between you and God to work through, He leads, follow

History of me: I grew up in church, Iaccepted Christ when 14, I always 'thru' childhood was Christian, and, think I was baptized as baby too, but don't even know that. Don't care either, not important. But what waw important was my getting through high school and college living more for me than Him (lukewarm). Anyway, a car accident in.'95 woke me up in life, I was just prior to smash totaling of my nice car with no insurance for me and medical costs for who.hit thinking of all this money I was making and ready to just get a house and wife. Wham! I crashed, a supernatural crashing but won't explain here, I.guess. I was changing my life without God, He wasn't included in my forthcoming 'new house' life. So, then, I worked my butt off for 1.5 years , 2 jobs, 70-80 hours every week, and actually made more money than medical costs and car costs I worked so.hard, God was with me. But that was Feb. '95 and by May 96 I.was blessed to be not needing to work and just went to church all the time. LOL, I.like 'feed,' your name on c.c., I was FED with God morning, noon, night. God, God,God, I focused on Him and was taking to and from to singles handicapped singles.girl,, no attraction, just friends we became. Anyhoo...

After a mission trip to.Charlotte in August 96, and, I paid her way there, to note, $650 from.Wash. To NC, but God provided easy. Then, finally, in May 97, I chose Christ, reborn to Him, and, I was His, but I somehow, don't remember rightly how, got baptized in water at church in 2000 . And that same night went to a restaurant and after eating, I went outside with friend I was with and he mentioned I was baptized and so they prayed over me, I heard other languages spoken for some time.and it was how God like a whilst wind in sacrament form gave me Him inside my earthly dwelling place.


Now, I.tell you all.that because after I repented of my lukewarm ways, asked for forviveness to God and recommitted my life to Christ, it took.many more trips to.the altar after that to fully undetstand and feel His total Love all around me and strength in me through Him in me to get baptized. Wonderful, too,.how God works, I went for water baptism and God brought Holy Spirit baptism. N


Now, these TWO acts are NOT works, they are ways to increase in knowledge and faith and power of Him.
We are saved by the blood of Jesus, NOT any other works, just as mega said, Ephesians 2:8, 9 .

Ok, I hope that helps. Thread title is a little deceptive, but I just want everyone to understand how important works are to the life of a believer in Him. Sorry if I confused , for that would be furthest from my mind of wanting to do. I am speaking 'meat' here mostly, with a drink or two of 'milk' to.wash it down

Iron sharpens iron. God bless you, brothers, peace, Hebrews 12:14

 

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so now that i am saved,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"i do not need to pray to the Christ and ask him to forgive me for the sins i committed today????????"that is after i was converted to the christian faith ,,,,,,,,,,,,"i sinned no more in gods eyes",,,,,,?????????so then do i not need to ask the Christ for "forgiveness any more"?????????????,,,,,that is "i am no more a sinner",,,,,,,,and i no longer need the cross????????????????"i no longer need Christ as my messiah for i am no more a sinner before gods eyes",,,,,,,,,,now if i am a sinner,,,,and i call on the Christ and ask him to forgive me today,,,,,,,,,and then when the night fall,,,,,,and i awake tomorrow,,,,,,,"shall he not be a living god to provide for me tomorrow"??????????,,,,,,,,you see if he is not "perpetual then their is then an need for another messiah to come tomorrow",,,,,,this messiah of which is spoken he is well for the thing a man is done in his youth,,,,,,,,,,,but an lord who will come forever,,,,,,,,,,each day i wake up,,,,,,,,,,he is the same as today as he was yesterday and he will be also tomarrow,,,,,,,,,,,now as Arron was there giving "forgiveness",,,and then he died of an old age ,,,,another rose in his stead,,,,,,,,,,,,,"for the perpetual manner of me sinning",is their another who will come and be "perpetual"?????????one who being raised from the grave hath no need to be followed by another messiah????????one whom i may ask to forgive me for the thing i did yesterday and the thing i am doing and the thing i may fall to tomorrow?????????????