Hebrews 1: The Son, God Manifested in the Flesh...Verbal Study

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cfultz3

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#21
Heb 1:3 Who, being the effulgence (radiant light, off flash, brightness) of His glory and the exact copy (expressed image) of His essence (nature, person), not only is upholding all things by the utterance of His power (innately so), but also through (channel of an act) Him having made Himself (MV) a purification(expiation) of our sins (offenses), sat down at the right of the Majesty in things highly exalted (As the word implies in its plurality, He is Majesty of all things highly esteemed)(2Ch 29:11).

Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Verbs:

being the effulgence of His glory (Present Active Participle) = the subject in the process of performing an action. Imagine that God's glory is a flashlight. The light which is caused by the touching of the connections is God's glory. The beam which shines away from the original light is the glory which the Word has. This radiant glory which the Word has is the same glory attributed to the Son (Joh 1:14), seeing that the fleshly Son was the Word incarnated. Getting back to the verb, 'being' means 'to exist', and with that said, this statement is saying that the Son exists as the brightness of God's glory, in much the same way as one exists as one's child (I exist as his child).

being the exact copy of His essence (Present Active Participle) = the subject in the process of performing an action. That which collectively makes God God, His very nature/essence, is the exact nature of Jesus, there is no distinction (If you have seen me, you have seen the Father). Jesus (the man) was the earthly representation of the invisible God. Again, 'being' means 'to exist', and that literally means that the Son exists as God.

This relationship between God and the Son is depicted in the story of the Pharaoh and Joseph, the only thing which separated them was the throne upon which the Pharaoh set upon. Likewise, the only thing which separates the Son from God the Father is the throne upon which God the Father sets upon. Beyond that, even as with Pharaoh and Joseph, there is not separation between them, they both are God.

is upholding (Present Active Participle) = the subject in the process of performing an action. By His own power, the same power which is described of God the Father in Mat 26:64, is the very same power by which He, the Son, is actively upholding (as to keep from falling apart) all things. He, being the Word, needs only to speak and it is so. It is without doubt, that if the Word spoke into existence all that is and upholds it by His own power, then He is God, seeing that God said that He alone is Creator. It was this Word who became the Son, the man we know as Jesus. Would the Word have ceased from being God just by enveloping Himself with flesh?

having made Himself (Aorist Middle voice Participle) = the subject having caused the results of an action to be upon himself. The participle makes this action a part of a sentence, and thus cannot be separated from the complete thought. Basically, it was because He, Jesus, did make Himself a purification of our sins that He did sat down at the right hand of God.

sat down (Aorist Active Indicative) = What does this act of having sat down have to do with the Son, the Word incarnated, being God? Well, everything. Being placed at the right hand of God exalted, He is far above every name which is named (there is no greater name than His (is not God's name above all?)), angels and authorities and powers being made subject to Him, even angels are commanded by God the Father to worship Him. If such a command came forth from God's mouths, and if God alone is worthy of all adoration, who then are you to not worship your God, Jesus the promised Messiah, seeing that it was Jehovah who said He was our Messiah (Redeemer)?
Is there any questions concerning what I wrote?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#22
what is the argument here?
 
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cfultz3

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#23
what is the argument here?
Post 16 sums it up. I just want to make sure that if people have questions that they will ask. The last thing I want to do is to spread a heresy. But, I do not think it was an argument just that he jumped the gun and went 4-5 verses ahead in the study.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#24
Post 16 sums it up. I just want to make sure that if people have questions that they will ask. The last thing I want to do is to spread a heresy. But, I do not think it was an argument just that he jumped the gun and went 4-5 verses ahead in the study.
Still not sure what your arguing.

Jesus said before Abraham was, I am, are you arguing Jesus had a beginning at his birth? or that he is and was God which had no beginning or end?
 
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cfultz3

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#25
Still not sure what your arguing.

Jesus said before Abraham was, I am, are you arguing Jesus had a beginning at his birth? or that he is and was God which had no beginning or end?
Yes :)

I am saying that Jesus, the man born of Mary, thus the title Son, which comprises of flesh and the Word, has a beginning, but the Word is God and is eternal.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#26
Yes :)

I am saying that Jesus, the man born of Mary, thus the title Son, which comprises of flesh and the Word, has a beginning, but the Word is God and is eternal.

Then how can Jesus be truthful before he said before abraham was, I am?
How could jesus have existed before abraham was born, if Jesus did not begin intil his birth of Mary?
 
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cfultz3

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#27
Then how can Jesus be truthful before he said before abraham was, I am? How could jesus have existed before abraham was born, if Jesus did not begin intil his birth of Mary?
Because Jesus was/is the Word from eternity.
 
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cfultz3

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#29
so he existed before he was born right?
The Word, who Jesus was in the flesh, existed from all eternity. So, yes, the Word existed before He was born as a man and became the Son of God (I shall be a Father to Him and He shall be a Son to Me).
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#30
The Word, who Jesus was in the flesh, existed from all eternity. So, yes, the Word existed before He was born as a man and became the Son of God (I shall be a Father to Him and He shall be a Son to Me).

So you believe jesus, in divine form, created the universe? And gave up his nature as God, became a man, and took the sin of the world?
 
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The Son,the man Christ Jesus,is the only way that the saints will be able to see the invisible God,which is the visible relationship of God to the saints,for God glorified that human body and sits on the throne in heaven,which is the the throne of both God and the Lamb.

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,which means God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God because God cannot be separated.

In the Old Testament God said that one day He would reveal His new name to the Jews and speak to them,which Jesus said if you have seen Him then you have seen the Father,and it is the Father the dwells in Him that does the works.

In the Old Testament the Father and Son would have the same name,and Jesus said He manifested the Father's name,glorified the Father's name,and declared the Father's name,and the Son inherited the name from the Father.

Jesus is the name of the Father and the Son inherited that name from the Father,and the Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus,for Jesus created all things,came in flesh,and dwells in the saints.

Jesus is more than a visible God for the Bible says that He dwells in the light that no man can approach unto,and no man has seen Jesus and no man will ever see Jesus,showing that He is the omnipresent God that showed us a visible manifestation of Himself.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#32
The Son,the man Christ Jesus,is the only way that the saints will be able to see the invisible God,which is the visible relationship of God to the saints,for God glorified that human body and sits on the throne in heaven,which is the the throne of both God and the Lamb.

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,which means God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God because God cannot be separated.

In the Old Testament God said that one day He would reveal His new name to the Jews and speak to them,which Jesus said if you have seen Him then you have seen the Father,and it is the Father the dwells in Him that does the works.

In the Old Testament the Father and Son would have the same name,and Jesus said He manifested the Father's name,glorified the Father's name,and declared the Father's name,and the Son inherited the name from the Father.

Jesus is the name of the Father and the Son inherited that name from the Father,and the Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus,for Jesus created all things,came in flesh,and dwells in the saints.

Jesus is more than a visible God for the Bible says that He dwells in the light that no man can approach unto,and no man has seen Jesus and no man will ever see Jesus,showing that He is the omnipresent God that showed us a visible manifestation of Himself.

Go manifest all his attributes in Jesus?

God can not suffer pain, Jesus did.

God is omnipresnt, Jesus the man was not

God can do miracles of his own power. Jesus could not.

I am confused by what you mean here?
 
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cfultz3

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#33
So you believe jesus, in divine form, created the universe? And gave up his nature as God, became a man, and took the sin of the world?
If understood that Jesus was the Word, then yes.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#34
If understood that Jesus was the Word, then yes.
This is why I am confused. What do you mean by the word? Was jesus a being, God, or was he just the spoken word??
 
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cfultz3

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#35
This is why I am confused. What do you mean by the word? Was jesus a being, God, or was he just the spoken word??
John chapter 1 explains exactely what I mean by 'the Word', the second person of the triune God. He is more than the spoken word of God, He is the Word who spoke things into creation. He is the Word of the LORD of the Old Testament.
 
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John chapter 1 explains exactely what I mean by 'the Word', the second person of the triune God. He is more than the spoken word of God, He is the Word who spoke things into creation. He is the Word of the LORD of the Old Testament.
I believe he WAS the lord of the OT, the God of Isreal. Do you agree?
 
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ebyown

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Psalm 40:6 Sacrifice and offering You didn't desire. My ears have You opened: Burnt offering and sin offering have You not required. 7 Then I said, "Behold, I have come. It is written about Me in the book in the scroll. 8 I delight to do Your will, My Elohiym. Yes, Your law is within My heart."

He delights to do His Father's will. His Father's Law(Torah) is within His heart.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY DOUBTLESSLY GUARANTEED MOST CERTAINLY AS SURELY AS SURE CAN BE YES!!!!!!!!
ok. Good. I could not figure out what you were saying, because so many do not believe this, and they say he is just the word. not God etcc

Isaiah 48: 12 “Listen to Me, O Jacob, and Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. 13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them, They stand up together.

This is the God of Israel speaking.

15 I, even I, have spoken; Yes, I have called him, I have brought him, and his way will prosper. 16 Come ye near unto me, Hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I, and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

This is the same God of Isreal telling us the father and spirit will send him to redeem Isreal (and all of us)
 
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cfultz3

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#40
Psalm 40:6 Sacrifice and offering You didn't desire. My ears have You opened: Burnt offering and sin offering have You not required. 7 Then I said, "Behold, I have come. It is written about Me in the book in the scroll. 8 I delight to do Your will, My Elohiym. Yes, Your law is within My heart."

He delights to do His Father's will. His Father's Law(Torah) is within His heart.
And thank God that the Son's sole delight was to do His Father's will, in so having fulfilled the Law, they who was under the shadow of death, were liberated from it.