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Red33

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In (Jn 3:16), For God so loved the world that He gave...

Why are we told not to love not the world in (1Jn 2:15) neither the things that are in the world, when God loves the world? Are these two statements contrary or do they define the love of God? I say they compliment each other and reveal the heart of God toward the world. If we are to love the world then we must give the world what God has given to the world. What are we giving to the world? I am not interested in a theological discussion but a heart to heart discussion based upon what God has given to the world.

Three things in scripture have defined what is in the world:

- the lust of the flesh
- the lust of the eyes
- the pride of life

Does God love these things about what is in the world? Surely not! He has no affection or love for these things that are in the world and neither should we. So what is it about the world that God loved so much that He gave... When God loved the world and He gave, was He looking for anything in return or was He giving to the world what is contrary to it?

We know that God gave His Son to the world. Was his Son born of this world? Surely not! So gave gave to the world that which is not of the world and is contrary to all that is in the world. What God gave to the world would not and could not fulfill the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes or the pride of life. Therefore the world could do nothing but reject and hate that which is not of this world.

Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed upon us that we should be called the sons of God, therefore the world knoweth us not, because the world knew Him not (1Jn 3:1). This can only apply to those that love the world and are giving what God has given to the world. The world loves it own (Jn 15;19) but God so loved the world that He gave what the world would never receive. There is not a single person of the world that has been able to receive what God has given to the world. It is like God threw a 'screwball' that no one could hit. They keep swinging at it but they keep missing it. They keep seeking but can't find it, they try to understand it but can never know it or figure it out or measure up to it.

This is how God loves the world, it is a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Gentiles and in them that perish (1Cor 1:18-23). We are to keep loving the world by giving them what God has given and has been rejected by the world that God loves. There is not another thing that God has given to the world that He so loves, then who He has given and that is the gift of His Son and this is who we give and how we love the world. The world has nothing to offer those who have become the sons of God, because we are no longer of it, but we have something to offer the world and it can only be received by the world through simple child-like faith from one heart to another.
 
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Great Thread Red33.
 
jonathanbchristian

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God loved the people of the world not the ways of the world. Only God could love everyone because He is all knowing. If we love our neighbor as ourself we have the same love for the world that God had in John 3:16. If we hate the ways of sin then we do not love the world as in 1 John 2:15.
 
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When we Love the world, this is showing Christ in us. 'The world' is our neighbor and we ALL know how important God emphasizes this, which did NOT change one tittle of meaning from being old testament. All.God''s commandments stand today as in OT times, and they stand alone with meaning unless like 'Love your neighbor as yourself,' as that commandment goes with so much impotance, Jesus emphasized this , saying that loving 'Him with all your heart mind soul' is most telling of commandments when coupled with....
...Love your neighbor as yourself.

On these two commandments 'hang' all the understanding of doing all the other commandments.
 
tribesman

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The world God loved is Israel. Or the church.
 
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tribesman said:
The world God loved is Israel. Or the church.
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You sure? I thought God loved the world as in κόσμον.
 
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wwjd_kilden said:
You sure? I thought God loved the world as in κόσμον.
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For the contemporary jews the term "the end of the world" often meant the end of their kingdom.
 
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tribesman said:
The world God loved is Israel. Or the church.
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This is where you need to bend your knee to the will of God and not become theological. This is where you need to accept an unlimited atonement, a blood that was shed for the remission of all sin, a reconciliation that was made available to all men and a Saviour that died, was buried and rose again that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish. You need to believe in your heart that God raised His only begotten Son from the dead to justify all men who believe.

The grace of God has appeared to all men, for God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance and to a saving knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. You need to accept that by faith and stop rationalizing with your doctrine and with your understanding. Christ offers redemption to every creature. The gospel is for every creature. God loved every creature and so loved the world that He gave His Son for all the world and not just some of it. To limit God's sacrifice is to limit God's nature of love that goes beyond knowledge. We just can't limit God this way. Anything you would say to limit God's unlimited atonement is self knowledge and is not the counsel of God that we have been given. How can we preach the gospel to every creature if we do not believe that His death, burial and resurrection was for every creature?
 
tribesman

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Red33 said:
This is where you need to bend your knee to the will of God and not become theological. This is where you need to accept an unlimited atonement, a blood that was shed for the remission of all sin, a reconciliation that was made available to all men and a Saviour that died, was buried and rose again that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish. You need to believe in your heart that God raised His only begotten Son from the dead to justify all men who believe.

The grace of God has appeared to all men, for God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance and to a saving knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. You need to accept that by faith and stop rationalizing with your doctrine and with your understanding. Christ offers redemption to every creature. The gospel is for every creature. God loved every creature and so loved the world that He gave His Son for all the world and not just some of it. To limit God's sacrifice is to limit God's nature of love that goes beyond knowledge. We just can't limit God this way. Anything you would say to limit God's unlimited atonement is self knowledge and is not the counsel of God that we have been given. How can we preach the gospel to every creature if we do not believe that His death, burial and resurrection was for every creature?
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Do you believe that the atonement of Christ actually ACCOMPLISHED all it takes to save/redeem sinners from their just rewards in hellfire or is that difference (between salvation and damnation) actually made all within the power of the sinner himself? Do you believe that Christ died for one single soul in vain?
 
Red33

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tribesman said:
Do you believe that the atonement of Christ actually ACCOMPLISHED all it takes to save/redeem sinners from their just rewards in hellfire or is that difference (between salvation and damnation) actually made all within the power of the sinner himself? Do you believe that Christ died for one single soul in vain?
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What are you trying to say?
 
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very much alot spiritually well said in an excellent way be blessed allways amen....
 
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both i fully believe,b blessed allways amen.
 
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I agree well said b blessed allways amen.
 
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i like this alot how very much alot spiritually true allways,bee blessed allways amen
 
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we can love people in the world and all of nature Gods Holy Creation,not sinful sin things at all of course,Bee Blessed AllWays,AMEN....
 
pickles

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I have always been awed where scripture says...
God created the earth by His power, and the world by His wisdom.

I have often considered that the world is all of us, the place where He would set the seeds that we are, so we may die in Jesus, to be trully born alive in Spirit.
A kind of worldly womb. :)
But dont take me literal on that. :)

God bless
pickles
 
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very much alot well said thanx 4 sharing bee blessed allways amen....
 
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