Divorce and Remarriage

[feedm3]

I don't believe I ever mentioned lust or unbelieving for leaving marriage. Correct me if I'm wrong.

No you did not my friend, I am sorry I mixed you up with another. Disregard that part of my response please, but the rest still stands.

When I say not repenting I mean once you're a Christian and if you forget or don't have a chance to repent of sin; God's grace still abounds in you. I'm not talking about non Christians.

Im sorry, but I don't quite follow. If you forget what? and how can we not have a chance to repent? If we are living in an adulterous state, Christ blood will not turn that sin into an honorable marriage acceptable by God.
If we are living in this state, we are sinning against God, we need to repent and confess our sins and then he is just to forgive us - not before, and while in the sin.

His blood cleanses us if we are walking in the light. That means following his commands, if we are in adultery we are not following his commands, therefore, not in the light, and the blood is not cleansing us of all sin.
I jn7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin

Of course if we say we have no sin, we make him a liar as John also writes, this does not mean we live in sin, it means one who would say they do not need the blood of Christ to cleanse them because they have not sinned, this goes against Rom 3:23, 5:12, which tells us ALL have sinned.

And yes, about the verse I put that's my point all of us were all of those things so if someone divorced they are not condemned as long as they are a Christian because of the blood of Christ.

You mean if they divorced before they became a Christian they are not condemned? If So I agree. A non Chrsitian who has divorced for the wrong reasons can be forgiven as he is converted and becomes a child of God - of course with repentace - Acts 2:38, 3:19.

Or do you mean, that a Christian can divorce for other reasons than the exception given in Mat 19:9, and be okay because the blood of Christ covers that? If that what you mean I cant agree.

Before I explain I will let you clarify which you mean - Thanks again.

 

[marianna]

I think the Bible is pretty clear on being against divorce and remarriage.

More than that, it is PRO good, godly marriages. The Bible gives great detail on what good relationships are, what good marriages look like and how to stay faithful.

I know it is better to marry than to burn, but keep in mind who he was talking to! Are you really a Corinthian and can't stop yourself from being a sexual deviant? So you should marry literally anyone that's willing because you're sexing anything that moves?

Or are you a Christian who takes marriage seriously enough to be ready for it, pick a partner who is ready for it and commit to having Christ at the center? Are you the kind of Christian that turns to the Bible FIRST when relationship issues arise? If you are this person, divorce and remarriage will not become questions that plague your life.

this is a very good answer, and I agree. adultery or abandonment are the only legitimate reasons for divorce in the Bibkle if I'm not mistaken, but even adultery can be forgiven sometimes, and the marrriage can survive
Thank you for posting.
marianna

 

[marianna]

Believers shouldn't marry unbelievers for this reason.

Everything you just said sounds nice, but it's not totally correct. Even with reasonable grounds for divorce, that doesn't mean automatic support for remarriage. It's not an easy pill to swallow, but when divorced people remarry, they are committing adultery.... all the time, every day. Pretending you're not sinning only stops you from asking forgiveness.

Try harder to get it right the first time!!! This is serious stuff!

hi rainacorn.
You are right it is very serious. Believers can not marry unbelievers, but too many pastors and priests at overlooking that, i believe.
If both man and wife are unbelivers when they are married and one comes to the faith they are supposed to stay with the unbeliver unless the unbeliever decides to leave, isn't it? i'm not toally certain but i think thats what the Bible says.
I don't think anyone who gets a divorce even on Biblical grounds is allowed to remarry until their former spouse has died - is that correct?
marianna

 

[rainacorn]

If two unbelievers get married, is it even a real marriage in the eyes of God?

Many people get married in churches, but if you don't believe in God and don't believe you are making a covenant WITH God, then what is your marriage other than a worldly legal arrangement that happened to take place in a building where people worship?

I can't really answer that with any sort of certainty, so it's just a question I'm putting out there.

Again, these are really difficult issues and questions to deal with. I sympathize with anyone who really NEEDS to seek out these answers to have peace in their own lives and to get right with God. We are taught love, love, love, love... but the world has such a different definition of what that means. It's tough to discern sometimes and we end up just 'following our hearts.' Our hearts can be deceptive jerks- a lesson so many of us have to learn the hard way.

I've never been divorced, but just about everyone in my life has. My parents, multiple times. My husband's parents. My siblings. It's everywhere. When I read the Bible verses about marriage, I look at everyone around me and think, 'Man, you guys really should've read this. It could've saved you a lot of heartache.'

That's the only real point I want to make. What the Bible says about good relationships and good marriages is wonderful advice. I believe if it is taken very seriously, the worldly trappings of a worldly marriage can be avoided (for the most part). I think what to do when it wasn't taken seriously and the marriage failed is really between the believer and God. But, with the world telling us that divorce and remarriage are perfectly okay, it can be hard to recognize the sin that has taken place.

If you don't think you sinned, you cannot repent and be forgiven for it. But, again, that's between the believer and God.

 

[SantoSubito]

If two unbelievers get married, is it even a real marriage in the eyes of God?

Many people get married in churches, but if you don't believe in God and don't believe you are making a covenant WITH God, then what is your marriage other than a worldly legal arrangement that happened to take place in a building where people worship?

I can't really answer that with any sort of certainty, so it's just a question I'm putting out there.

I would say it is. Since a vow before God is a vow before God whether you believe in him or not.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Matt. 5 and 19 (and the Mark/Luke parallels) are Jesus addressing the rampant abuse of husbands "putting away" their INNOCENT wives without a writ of divorcement, which left them and any future spouse branded as an adulterer/ess.

The penalty for adultery was death, not divorce. Deuteronomy 24:1-4 allows for divorce AND remarriage. In Ezra 10, God commanded all Israel to "put away" their unlawful wives. Because they were foreign wives of idolatry, they could be "put away" verbally without a writ, because God didn't recognize the union to begin with.

The only acceptable divorce was with giving a writ of divorcement, since the marriage inception was by writ. A verbal divorce was only permissible with a pagan spouse or a spouse taken from undisclosed prostitution or uncleanness. God divorced Israel for this very thing... verbally.

 

[dliz]

In my opinion, anyone can remarry as long as the spouse is already deceased but if the if it is still living then you are going to remarry someone else it's like you are committing adultery.

 

[needmesomejesus]

No you did not my friend, I am sorry I mixed you up with another. Disregard that part of my response please, but the rest still stands.

Im sorry, but I don't quite follow. If you forget what? and how can we not have a chance to repent? If we are living in an adulterous state, Christ blood will not turn that sin into an honorable marriage acceptable by God.
If we are living in this state, we are sinning against God, we need to repent and confess our sins and then he is just to forgive us - not before, and while in the sin.

His blood cleanses us if we are walking in the light. That means following his commands, if we are in adultery we are not following his commands, therefore, not in the light, and the blood is not cleansing us of all sin.
I jn7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin

Of course if we say we have no sin, we make him a liar as John also writes, this does not mean we live in sin, it means one who would say they do not need the blood of Christ to cleanse them because they have not sinned, this goes against Rom 3:23, 5:12, which tells us ALL have sinned.

You mean if they divorced before they became a Christian they are not condemned? If So I agree. A non Chrsitian who has divorced for the wrong reasons can be forgiven as he is converted and becomes a child of God - of course with repentace - Acts 2:38, 3:19.

Or do you mean, that a Christian can divorce for other reasons than the exception given in Mat 19:9, and be okay because the blood of Christ covers that? If that what you mean I cant agree.

Before I explain I will let you clarify which you mean - Thanks again.

When I say sometimes people may not realize or be ignorant of their sin or something happens and they die before they repent. It's okay once you're a Christian you're not going to hell for not repenting for something. Of course you shouldn't live in sin but we're covered by the blood of Jesus.
Okay for clarification sake. Christians can divorce for other reason, but they really shouldn't. It's better if they don't. Like Paul said all things are permissible, but not all things are beneficial. Under the new convenant we Christians are not tied down to rules. WE shouldn't get a divorce, but if we do for some reason it's okay. The blood of Christ covers everything.

 

[feedm3]

When I say sometimes people may not realize or be ignorant of their sin or something happens and they die before they repent. It's okay once you're a Christian you're not going to hell for not repenting for something. Of course you shouldn't live in sin but we're covered by the blood of Jesus.
Okay for clarification sake. Christians can divorce for other reason, but they really shouldn't. It's better if they don't. Like Paul said all things are permissible, but not all things are beneficial. Under the new convenant we Christians are not tied down to rules. WE shouldn't get a divorce, but if we do for some reason it's okay. The blood of Christ covers everything.

Why would you feel you can teach others they "Can" "but shouldn't" break one command Christ gives? Do you find anywhere this is taught? Read Rom 6:1-2, see if that sounds like we "can but shouldnt". And Jn 14:15, and 15:14

Even if I believed that I would not teach that to anyone in case I was wrong. Yet I dont believe that, because of the warnings the HS gives TO CHRISTIANS - Heb 5:9, 10:26

Notice my sig at the bottom, I hope you take that seriously -: James 3:1 - Take care

 

[needmesomejesus]

Why would you feel you can teach others they "Can" "but shouldn't" break one command Christ gives? Do you find anywhere this is taught? Read Rom 6:1-2, see if that sounds like we "can but shouldnt". And Jn 14:15, and 15:14

Even if I believed that I would not teach that to anyone in case I was wrong. Yet I dont believe that, because of the warnings the HS gives TO CHRISTIANS - Heb 5:9, 10:26

Notice my sig at the bottom, I hope you take that seriously -: James 3:1 - Take care

One, I do not claim to be a teacher. These are my beliefs and I could be wrong. I'm not saying to break a command I am just saying people who do are not under condemnation. And people do make mistakes and Christ is understanding; we are human and we mess up. And even if the person committed adultery because they remarried; there's forgiveness. Cause let's be honest, He also says looking at a woman wrong is adultery and I assumed the same for ladies looking at men wrong. So I believe all of us have been guilty of adultery. I don't think the point of him saying that was for legalism or anything. Let us not forget the point of God's commandment isn't just following the commandments but the spirit behind the law.

 

[feedm3]

One, I do not claim to be a teacher.

These are my beliefs and I could be wrong. I'm not saying to break a command I am just saying people who do are not under condemnation.

My friend, you may not claim to be a teacher but things like, "...people who do are not under condemnation" is teaching just what you said.

And people do make mistakes and Christ is understanding; we are human and we mess up. And even if the person committed adultery because they remarried; there's forgiveness.

Sure, we can mess up, that is why he gave us repentance. But repentance means to stop whatever sins that is needing of the repentance.
If you read Acts chapter 8, you will find that Simon the Sorceror beleived Philip's preaching, and was baptzied. Immediatly after upon seeing that the Apostles had the ability to lay their hands on people and give them the Holy Spirit, he sinned by asking them to sell him that power.

He was was not told it was okay, because Christ is understanding, but "that you heart is not right with God", And he "was in a gall of bitterness and bond of iniquity". He was told he "had neither lot nor part in this matter (salvation).
When he was told this he became afriad and asked the Apostels to pray for him, and he was told "repent fo thy wickedness and pray for God to fogive you". This is the same for us all. If we are living in physical adultery we must repent, if we are having adulterous thoughts, we must repent and ask for God's forgiveness. Never are we told it is okay, nor that we have no condemnation.
I am not trying to argue with you, You seem sincere, I am just telling you what the scripture says to us. Read Acts 8, also II Pet 3:, II Cor 7 - this chapter tells us repentance is unto salvation, remember it was written to Christians.
Also notice:
Rev 2:
1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write;
2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent

And:
Heb 10:
24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses 'law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace
Anytime these kind of passages are brought up, it is labeled legalism(not saying you are doing that), yet who wrote them? God. So if that is legalism then God is a legalistic, because he demands repentance. Grace will not cover unrepenant sins, one who beleives that as we can see above and lives in sin "is doing despite to the Spririt of Grace, and has received it in vain:

I Cor 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain

All these passages I have shown was written to the churches, the church is made up of the saved. These are warnigs, and a blessing that shows us God's will for us, if we are willing to accept it. Thank you for your comment.

 

[Jewliah]

But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress,

Matt 5:32 I have a MAJOR problem with this! It looks to say because the husband divorced her SHE automatically is in the sin of adultery (without having sinned)! Does one person to have to wear the title of a sinner because of another ones actions? Is this consistent with scripture? I believe not! The only thing close is when one chooses to take the blame (and punishment) for another persons sin as in the case of what Christ did for us when he was accused.

This is very interesting. I am going to look into the OT to see where Jesus and his disciples got this view of divorce.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Matt 5:32 I have a MAJOR problem with this! It looks to say because the husband divorced her SHE automatically is in the sin of adultery (without having sinned)! Does one person to have to wear the title of a sinner because of another ones actions? Is this consistent with scripture? I believe not! The only thing close is when one chooses to take the blame (and punishment) for another persons sin as in the case of what Christ did for us when he was accused.

This is very interesting. I am going to look into the OT to see where Jesus and his disciples got this view of divorce.

As I posted earlier (and from years of language and history study), Matt. 5 and 19 are Jesus referring to the rampant "putting away" of INNOCENT wives by husbands who did so verbally without giving a writ of divorcement. It was a loophole men used to keep marriage doweries and move on to the next woman; impoverishing the wife and forcing her to either return to her father's house or often resort to prostitution to survive. Without a writ, a women and any future spouse would be considered adulteress/er.

See Deut. 24:1-4. Divorce AND remarriage was permitted. The penalty for adultery was death, not divorce. In Amos 10, all Israel "put away" their foreign wives verbally. No writ was required because they were all foreign pagan wives. That's what Matt. 5 and 19 refer to as the only exception where verbal "putting away" is allowed.

 

[1stworldview147]

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[1stworldview147]

Revenge Your Ex

Each day hundreds of men and women seek revenge on their ex-mates for a
variety of reasons, usually because they got dumped or where cheated on.
Revenge comes in many ways. It typically starts by using social media to
vent, and then escalates from there. Now sites like "Get Revenge On Your Ex"
for a fee will help you get pay back or revenge.

So what is the best way to get revenge besides slashing her tires, posting
nude photos of her and so on.

The best way according to the web site Right Choices 101 is to live your
life well. This is true no matter who you are seeking revenge on. Coworkers,
past bosses, bad friends or ex-lovers. Put your energy into succeeding and
enjoying your life, not wasting your time, energy and resources on revenge
that can end up costing you much more. Plus, when you seek revenge, you send
them a massage that you have not gotten over the relationship. It's much
better to show you are indifferent and don't care.

According to Kenneth Agee of A Foreign Affair, a service that specializes in
helping men find young beautiful foreign women, "The best revenge is to date
or marry a women 10 years younger than your ex. This will piss her off to no
end. No woman ever wants to be replaced with a younger, more attractive
woman. Just like a man never likes to get replaced by a guy who is wealthier
or more successful.

I will never forget one of my first clients we took to Saint Petersburg,
Russia." says Agee, "The client told me that two days on our tour was better
than two years of therapy. Having hundreds of attractive women fighting over
you gets your ex out of your mind pretty quick.

I personally went through break up when my ex ran off with another man. But
a short time later, I met a new lady who was ten times better. I ran into
that man who stole my ex and I gave him a big thanks. In fact, I could not
thank him enough. He was stuck with an older nagging women, while I was now
with a young, beautiful, caring women. Plus, my ex had gained about 100
pounds. I don't look at that fellow as any kind of enemy but as the person
who saved me from my ex and years of suffering." This is the best a revenge
when you win without lowering yourself.

Other sites like "Get Over Her Now" give practical advice and tips for
getting over a past relationship.

Top Tips from Get Over Her Now:

Start making platonic relationships with as many women as possible, old,
young, skinny, fat, cute or ugly. This greatly helps you get back in the
game of socializing with the opposite sex. And it opens up lots
opportunities to meet their cute attractive friends in a more relaxed
environment. This also helps you build your game and confidence.

Improve yourself, start working out, get up early every day and exercise.

Buy new clothes. Dressing better makes you feel better and improves your
confidence.

Focus on work and getting a promotion or raise. Don't let a break up effect
your work negatively. Put that extra effort into work and it will pay off
with a better position and more money. This will also build your confidence
and help attract better quality women.

Any time you are depressed, improving yourself helps greatly. When you feel
depressed, don't sit and watch TV and then sleep-in late. Get out and do
something that will make you feel like you've accomplished something. Take a
class, go hiking, fix something you've been putting off.

Don't start drinking. Drinking will always have a negative impact on your
life. Don't drink while depressed or when you are trying to get over some
one. After all, drinking is for celebrating. So if you are not celebrating
something, don't drink. A quality women is not going to be attracted to
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can and go for a walk, take a hike, or go to the Gym. Research shows getting
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depressed.

Don't binge eat. If you start gaining weight, you will feel less self-worth
and lose your confidence. Confidence is a quality that women are extremely
attracted to.

Conclusion, the best revenge is when you improve your life so well that she
realizes she made a big mistake. And satisfaction comes when you meet
someone so much better, you are glad the ex is gone. After all, if you are
seeking revenge, how great could she really have been in the first place!