Are muslims really worshiping satan?

[Sharp]

I often wonder this.

Muslims believe that they worship the God of Abraham, the God spoken of in the Torah.

We know that as Christians, we worship the God of the bible.

Obviously the islamic faith is wrong, as they do not accept that Jesus is God, and are not saved. But are they worshiping the same God we are? Just in a distorted, incorrect and futile manner? Surely not.

I think that islam is an invention of satan, who has a keen interest in seeing it spread. The question is, is the 'God' that muslims claim to worship really satan?

My belief is if anyone is worshiping any other god, than our creator, its satan.

[Slepsog4]

I would not say that they are actually worshiping Satan. But the result is the same. They are not worshiping the one true God.

[above]

Originally Posted by Sharp

I often wonder this.

Muslims believe that they worship the God of Abraham, the God spoken of in the Torah.

We know that as Christians, we worship the God of the bible.

I hope that you are aware that Christianity spawned from Judaism. The one God from the Bible, Torah and Koran are identical. The only difference is that Jews and Muslims don't accept Jesus as their savior. Saying that Muslims worship Satan is plain wrong.

[Sharp]

Originally Posted by above

I hope that you are aware that Christianity spawned from Judaism. The one God from the Bible, Torah and Koran are identical. The only difference is that Jews and Muslims don't accept Jesus as their savior. Saying that Muslims worship Satan is plain wrong.

Christianity spawned from Jesus. I realise that all 3 religions are classed in the same 'family' of religions and share texts. But sometimes I wonder whether the god that people of other religions claim to worship is the same God that we worship. I wonder whether it was satan who came to Mohammed in his vision and told him to write the koran. To me, the actions and practices of muslims suggests control by an evil supernatural being.

[above]

Originally Posted by Sharp

Christianity spawned from Jesus. I realise that all 3 religions are classed in the same 'family' of religions and share texts. But sometimes I wonder whether the god that people of other religions claim to worship is the same God that we worship. I wonder whether it was satan who came to Mohammed in his vision and told him to write the koran. To me, the actions and practices of muslims suggests control by an evil supernatural being.

And what "actions and practices" do you mean? If you mean suicide bombings and so on, they have nothing to do with the muslim faith. They are just extremists who want to spread death and fear, misguided by misguided leaders. That they are muslim is just a concurrence.
You also wouldn't argue that the gruesome actions of the Inquisition had anything to do with Jesus or the one God, would you?
Extremists come and go, religion has nothing to do with it.

[Sharp]

Yes I know Christians and people claiming to be Christians have done horrible things in the name of God. I wasn't referring to acts of terrorism by muslims.The actions and practices I am referring to are the ritualism, the disgusting treatment of women, the punishment by voilence, the supression of human rights and the overall dehumanisation of people that goes on in muslim societies. To me it seems like more than just a case of misguided zeal. I think they are enslaved by an evil force, and I find it hard to believe that people caught in the grip of islam do the things they do and then claim to worship the same God that we do.

Originally Posted by Sharp

I often wonder this.

Muslims believe that they worship the God of Abraham, the God spoken of in the Torah.

We know that as Christians, we worship the God of the bible.

Obviously the islamic faith is wrong, as they do not accept that Jesus is God, and are not saved. But are they worshiping the same God we are? Just in a distorted, incorrect and futile manner? Surely not.

I think that islam is an invention of satan, who has a keen interest in seeing it spread. The question is, is the 'God' that muslims claim to worship really satan?

Allah was a pagan Arabic moon God. Hence the moon on the flag of Islamic countries.

Above: I don't know if muslims are worshipping Satan or not, but I do know that we do not have the same God as Muslims. I understand that they trace the lineage of their God back to Abraham, but he is not our God.

The difference lies in the trinity: Our God is simultaneously and fully the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. You cannot remove any 1 of those from our trinity.

If you call Jesus Christ Lord, and they call Jesus Christ man- how can we worship the same Lord?

As far as the suicidal bombings go, I agree that that is not the 'norm' for the muslim faith but it is still apart of it for sure. Those are carried out by Wahabi muslims, which is a more extreme denomination that originated out of Saudi Arabia.

And alot of people equate the Bible with the Qu'ran because there are alot of the same morals and laws.. but do we as Christians boast in ourselves because of the law? Or do we boast in Christ? Christianity is what emphasizes relationship- the Qu'ran does not.

Also, if you wanted some specific examples of where morals of the Qu'ran contradict with morals of the bible.. you could look into the verse that instructs followers of Allah to "tax or kill" anyone who does not convert to Islam after you have tried to convert them. It is that verse that separates the Wahhabi Muslims from other denominations.. as far as interpretation and praciticing go, but nonetheless it is in there and it is one we need to take into consideration.

Islam is not about love. Christ IS love. There is no way that Muslims could serve the same God as we do.

Sorry that this was sort of long, and I'm sorry if I offended you in anyway.

Originally Posted by above

I hope that you are aware that Christianity spawned from Judaism. The one God from the Bible, Torah and Koran are identical. The only difference is that Jews and Muslims don't accept Jesus as their savior. Saying that Muslims worship Satan is plain wrong.

Torah and Koran are NOT identical. If you believe that you are really mistaken. There are little similarities between the 2. Islam worships a pagan moon God, Allah.

Originally Posted by above

And what "actions and practices" do you mean? If you mean suicide bombings and so on, they have nothing to do with the muslim faith. They are just extremists who want to spread death and fear, misguided by misguided leaders. That they are muslim is just a concurrence.
You also wouldn't argue that the gruesome actions of the Inquisition had anything to do with Jesus or the one God, would you?
Extremists come and go, religion has nothing to do with it.

Jihad has everything to do with the Muslim faith. A person can't be a ''good muslim'' and not be involved in some way with it. You have been indoctrinated to believe ''Islam is peace''. Islam, the Koran, and Mohammad all taught and teach extremism.

[above]

I don't believe that has anything to do with the muslim faith. This is more a cultural thing than a religious matter. And religious rituals always seem odd when put out of context. I mean, last sunday i metaphorically ate Jesus' body and drank his blood. If that doesn't sound weird I don't know what.
Of cause Muslims are misguided. But to say that an evil force has enslaved them is a bit too strong. I mean, what about budhists? Their believe has nothing to do with "our" God. Nontheless they don't seem manipulated by an evil force, quite in the contrary, they are often more peaceful and tolerant then the so called "christian nations".

Originally Posted by above

I don't believe that has anything to do with the muslim faith. This is more a cultural thing than a religious matter. And religious rituals always seem odd when put out of context. I mean, last sunday i metaphorically ate Jesus' body and drank his blood. If that doesn't sound weird I don't know what.
Of cause Muslims are misguided. But to say that an evil force has enslaved them is a bit too strong. I mean, what about budhists? Their believe has nothing to do with "our" God. Nontheless they don't seem manipulated by an evil force, quite in the contrary, they are often more peaceful and tolerant then the so called "christian nations".

Dude, you're kidding right? Jihad has nothing to do with Islam??

[Sharp]

Originally Posted by above

I don't believe that has anything to do with the muslim faith. This is more a cultural thing than a religious matter. And religious rituals always seem odd when put out of context. I mean, last sunday i metaphorically ate Jesus' body and drank his blood. If that doesn't sound weird I don't know what.
Of cause Muslims are misguided. But to say that an evil force has enslaved them is a bit too strong. I mean, what about budhists? Their believe has nothing to do with "our" God. Nontheless they don't seem manipulated by an evil force, quite in the contrary, they are often more peaceful and tolerant then the so called "christian nations".

Its not about their religious rituals seeming 'odd', its that their practices are just plain barbaric and brutal.

With regard to buddhism (and other seemingly peaceful religions), I suppose that anyone who is not saved is under the control of the devil. However, to me, I think that the being that muslims worship and claim to be their god, is actually satan. I'll be the first to admit that I have no evidence whatsoever to substantiate this, but I'd just like to hear what other people think.

[above]

Originally Posted by Baptistrw

Dude, you're kidding right? Jihad has nothing to do with Islam??

Just as much as "crusade" has t do with Christianity. Not the religion is the problem, it's the totalitarian leadership and the violent culture.

Originally Posted by above

Just as much as "crusade" has t do with Christianity. Not the religion is the problem, it's the totalitarian leadership and the violent culture.

You're wrong and couldn't be more wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad

[above]

If you are referring to the other meaning of jihad, the "stuff a real muslim must do" meaning of jihad, you are right of cause. Every "real" muslim is involved in that. I thought we are speaking about the so called "holy war" some extremists wage, also called jihad.

above- an 'evil force' can manifest itself in countless different forms. you cannot assume that because buddhists are 'peaceful' that they are on the right track. they're missing the key ingredient: a relationship with Jesus Christ. Now I'm not saying that buddhists or muslims are exclusively evil, im just saying you can't rule something like that out just because they're not our murdering people and listening to heavey metal- or whatever your opinion of what an evil manifestation would look like is.

i suppose we are just arguing over semantics. it comes down to what is the core of christianity. if you think the core of christianity is having a God who may or may not have sent someone to die for our sins, who may have written word of God A- the bible, OR word of God B- the Qu'ran, and may call us to boast in the law OR to boast in his Son.. then yes, muslims are on the same page as Christians.

But i think that christianity is much more black and white than that. We serve a God who sent his Son Jesus Christ to die for us and now He is our Lord also and the Bible is the one and only truth inspired by God. I think that those are two very fundamental concepts about God and essential to who He is. If someone does not believe in these, I don't believe that we worship the same God.

Originally Posted by above

If you are referring to the other meaning of jihad, the "stuff a real muslim must do" meaning of jihad, you are right of cause. Every "real" muslim is involved in that. I thought we are speaking about the so called "holy war" some extremists wage, also called jihad.

Islam is violent, was founded on violence, and will continue to be violent. These extremists are the Muslim who are most obedient to the Koran and Hadiths. Whether you believe that or not is on you.

[Densetzu]

I do not believe it is possible to accidentally worship something. Worship requires devotion and adoration, and most Muslims both believe in the existence of and despise Satan. Muslims no more worship Satan than any other religion (besides Satanism, obviously.)

It's this kind of talk that makes it so difficult for Muslims in some spheres to trust Christians. Why should they listen to what we have to say about Christ if we accuse them of worshiping the devil?

Originally Posted by Baptistrw

You're wrong and couldn't be more wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad

The nature of a Jihad isn't necessarily violent, and when it is there are prohibitions in the Quran against killing women and children and civilians during a Jihad. The type of 'jihad' that Islamic terrorists use is no more in line with their religion than the Crusades were in line with Jesus' teachings.

Not that Mohamed himself obeyed his own rules, of course.