Isn't ETERNITY in Hell a little harsh?

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luke15chick

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You know he is God afterall, it's not like dealing with another human. If you read your Bible you will know that it's not like you have one chance to make it or break it and then you're doomed, God gives chances to repent. Then you compare the God of the bible to the gods of the greeks and romans and such, they don't like you they'll kill you on the spot or do something torturous. At least the God of the bible gives one chances to have a change of heart and afterall, he is the One who made and created you, doesn't he have a right to have a say in what you do?
 
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You know he is God afterall, it's not like dealing with another human. If you read your Bible you will know that it's not like you have one chance to make it or break it and then you're doomed, God gives chances to repent. Then you compare the God of the bible to the gods of the greeks and romans and such, they don't like you they'll kill you on the spot or do something torturous. At least the God of the bible gives one chances to have a change of heart and afterall, he is the One who made and created you, doesn't he have a right to have a say in what you do?
Amen Rheemus!
 
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SwordOfFire

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This is a very good question, and one that I used to ask before I had an encounter with the blinding light of God's glory. The fact is that anything less than an eternity in hell for sin would demean, and cheapen the value of the one offended, God. God is the very basis and substance for all of existence; not only that, but He is Holy and Sacred above all, and has INFINITE value. His worth cannot be measured. Sin is not simply a person breaking rules. Sin is whatsoever is contrary to the divine and good nature of God. It is an abomination to the basis of reality. For a being, man or angel, to live in anarchy and disobedience to God, and refuse to give this infinite God the worship, praise, and adoration that his own existence demands is nothing less than an infinite offense against an infinite God. Eternal hellfire will be the reward for those, not because they are good people who have offended an angry God, but because they are monsters of iniquity who have offended a good God.
 
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ONLY THOSE WHO FOLLOW GOD'S COMMAND WILL SEE, & EAT FROM THE TREE OF LIFE!!! BECAUSE WE ALREADY FOLLOWED LUCIFER, WE WERE CAST OUT OF THE PRESENCE OF GOD LEST WE LIVE FOREVER AS DEVILS. HELL IS EVERYTHING THAT IS DIVIDED OF ITSELF BY THE PROCESS OF MANIFESTATION THROUGH TIME... WHICH IS A MEASURE OF CHANGE!!! HELL IS CHANGE FROM THAT WHICH GOD HAS SET... & CHANGE IS DEATH!!! THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT GOD IS UNCHANGING, & THROUGH HIM WE CAN BE TRANSFORMED, NOT CHANGED, INTO OURSELVES!!! WHEN MAN ATE THE FORBIDDEN FRUITE... EVERYTHING CHANGED!!!
 
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doubleedge

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THE SON OF GOD IS THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD... THE LIGHT OF GOD IS SEEN ONLY BY THOSE IN HEAVEN!!! (2 Corinthians 11:14)! LUCIFER IS THE SUN LIGHT OF THE MORNING... NOT THE WORLD!!!
 
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I believe in eternity in hell. There cannot be an eternity in heaven without an opposite eternity in hell. Those who dont spend eternity in heaven, by definition, must spend an eternity outside of heaven i.e. hell.
 
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I believe in eternity in hell. There cannot be an eternity in heaven without an opposite eternity in hell. Those who dont spend eternity in heaven, by definition, must spend an eternity outside of heaven i.e. hell.
'Snail, you use your own faulty reasoning. Where does the Bible say that you are going to heaven? How should we pray, Master? Jesus says; "Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven"...The prayer is for the kingdom of God to come to earth, and that is where Christians will be with the Lord, on earth, not in heaven. Is God's fire aionios (eternal); yes it is, what makes one believe that their soul can outlast God's fire!Mat. 10:28 " Fear Him who can destroy both body and soul in Hell",Jesus says that God can destroy your soul in Hell, what makes you think that your soul cannot be destroyed? As far as the Bible is concerned God can extinguish your soul, destroy it utterly and completely!

I think one should be very careful here of Blasphemy against the Holy Lord, if we are going to charge Him with conducting never-ending infinite punishment on live souls in firey Hell and He is not guilty of this, then we could be charged by Him with a false accusation, defaming His holy and merciful character. Certainly God punishes, no doubt and rewards, to different degrees, but a study of the word aionios (eternal) reveals mor then what is commonly believed.
 

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What I know of what hell will be is limited. What I do know is that those that do end up there are there because they chose to be, God gives us a clear option. If one refuses , I believe God has given them the chance to choose otherwise. I cannot know the mind of God, my faith hope and love rest in that His mind holds me. God bless, pickles
 
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trudy

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Hell just means the grave not a fire burning place, It will be a fire burning place. then the fire will go out it will not last forever like many believe.
 
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aprodigal1

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Hell just means the grave not a fire burning place, It will be a fire burning place. then the fire will go out it will not last forever like many believe.
Are you serious?
 
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'Snail, you use your own faulty reasoning. Where does the Bible say that you are going to heaven?
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
1Pe 1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

Luk 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
 

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I understand EXACTLY what your talking about FireDragonArmy. There was a time in my life that that

was the only thing I thought was something God was doing wrong. However, We as humans

can't understand at all what God is trying to accomplish or what his purpose is with sending people

to hell for all eternity. Or why he thinks this is acceptable. God is God; and we are Human. and

therefore we only have the capacity to think and understand like humans. While God thinks

like...well, God. I personally cried for months over this subject, for myself, as well as others around the

world that will not be accepting him into their lives. However, think of it like this: Hell is a place where

God does not exist
. And apparently a Burning lake of fire is the result of that. People in the future WILL be choosing this place because they don't want to be

with God. Don't think of it as a burning lake of fire, or a place where demons and goblins will eat your

flesh, because frankly...even the most satanic (Satan worshipers/non Christians) arent going to

respond to Gods question of "Wanna spend all of eternity with burning corpses of flesh in hell?" with

"SURE WHY NOT! ;D WOO HOO" [well, there ARE exceptions] But again think of hell as a place where

love, happiness, huggs, cuddly bears etc etc...all the good things in life...will not exist. All of these

Good things come from God. and If your in a place where God doesn't exist...well, your not going to

have the good things anymore.

The only difference between Hell and Earth. Is God being with us here on Earth :]
 
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'Snail, you use your own faulty reasoning. Where does the Bible say that you are going to heaven? quote]
2ki 2:11And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
2co 5:8We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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Joh 14:3AndifIgoandprepareaplaceforyou,Iwillcomeagain,andreceiveyouuntomyself;thatwhereIam,thereyemaybealso.
1Pe 1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

Luk 10:20Notwithstandinginthisrejoicenot,thatthespiritsare subjectuntoyou;butratherrejoice,becauseyournamesarewritteninheaven.
John 14:3 - "I will come again" Jesus returns, no one goes to heaven except very rare special cases; Enoch, Elijah.

1 Peter 1:4 - An inheritence is reserved in heaven, does not mean that you go to heaven, just means that 'an inheritence is reserved in heaven'.

Luke 10:20 - a Christian's name is written in hevean, does not mean that a Christian goes to heaven, just means that your name has been recorded in heaven.
 
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Jesuslamb

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Ok, here the thing. According to Christian faith if one sins and doesn't repent they are punished for said sin by being denied entry to Heaven to instead be sentenced to Hell.

Now I'm wondering, this punishment is forever, right? Am I wrong? It does mean forever, for all eternity, time times a million, a million million years, from now on to infinity and beyond.... and so on.

So am I wrong to think this a little harsh? I mean, geeze, what exactly can anyone do to warrant such horrific punishment. Sure, a person can do a lot bad things in their lifetime. But to warrant everlasting suffering...

Because Hell is everlasting suffering, right? I mean I wouldn't wish that on even the most vicious killer known to man. Not even on Hitler and his cronies, Sure I'd expect some form of punishment fitting the crimes (numerous as they are), but even for an evil bunch like that I wouldn't want it to be forever. I mean, at some point, enough is enough. There's always a point were enough is enough, where the punishment becomes a crime, a line that when crossed makes the punisher the one needing punishment.

I mean, as a mere mortal human I'll freely admit that I personally believe eternity, true eternity is a concept that is beyond any human's comprehension.

We are born, we live and we die, at the very most a human life spans about 100 years, if you're lucky. So ETERNITY is a mere abstract concept for us. Its a term we trow around freely in all sorts of situations but one we really don't understand or what it entails? We're talking millions and millions and a million times more years, an endless everlasting line of time that stretches on and on and on.

So if say, a person, kills another person, and they aren't sorry about it. They go to Hell, but to send them there forever...

Does this apply for all 'sins', like a person who had sex before marriage, a teenager who shoplifted, telling a lie, insulting someone, missed church, worked on a Sunday, being gay, or having had a gay experience, done drugs, got divorced, hit somebody, gossiped, looked the other way, didn't listen to their parents,... All of these are things a lot of people do without feeling like they really did something wrong, or even feel that they don't even need to feel bad about. Or just don't feel guilty or repentant about. Something I totally understand. I mean everyone has done at least one or two of these things without feeling bad about them. None of these things are horrible or evil, least of all things that deserve everlasting suffering and ****ation.

Personally I find this entire concept a little over the top gloomy. So you did some bad things in your little short life and therefore you'll suffer forever??!!! Wow, talk about cold. Does God really care that little? Does He really judge humans so incredibly harshly? I mean it sounds very very cruel.

Take a moment to really think about what everlasting means, forever, eternity, for all times, and so on.

And also think about a time in your life when you felt constant pain about something, physical or emotional or spiritual. Think about how awful it was to endure.

Now Imagine if that pain was forever, without end or relief in sight, just endless and constant, for all of eternity. Does anything warrant such horrible punishement?


So what do you guys all think, is everlasting punishment not a little bit tad to harsh?
only rejecion to Jesus Christ is the only way to be there. it exist and Jesus warns us about it, and actually there are poor souls in there. remember Jesus parable of the rich man and the poor?
 
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Jesuslamb

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Ok, here the thing. According to Christian faith if one sins and doesn't repent they are punished for said sin by being denied entry to Heaven to instead be sentenced to Hell.

Now I'm wondering, this punishment is forever, right? Am I wrong? It does mean forever, for all eternity, time times a million, a million million years, from now on to infinity and beyond.... and so on.

So am I wrong to think this a little harsh? I mean, geeze, what exactly can anyone do to warrant such horrific punishment. Sure, a person can do a lot bad things in their lifetime. But to warrant everlasting suffering...

Because Hell is everlasting suffering, right? I mean I wouldn't wish that on even the most vicious killer known to man. Not even on Hitler and his cronies, Sure I'd expect some form of punishment fitting the crimes (numerous as they are), but even for an evil bunch like that I wouldn't want it to be forever. I mean, at some point, enough is enough. There's always a point were enough is enough, where the punishment becomes a crime, a line that when crossed makes the punisher the one needing punishment.

I mean, as a mere mortal human I'll freely admit that I personally believe eternity, true eternity is a concept that is beyond any human's comprehension.

We are born, we live and we die, at the very most a human life spans about 100 years, if you're lucky. So ETERNITY is a mere abstract concept for us. Its a term we trow around freely in all sorts of situations but one we really don't understand or what it entails? We're talking millions and millions and a million times more years, an endless everlasting line of time that stretches on and on and on.

So if say, a person, kills another person, and they aren't sorry about it. They go to Hell, but to send them there forever...

Does this apply for all 'sins', like a person who had sex before marriage, a teenager who shoplifted, telling a lie, insulting someone, missed church, worked on a Sunday, being gay, or having had a gay experience, done drugs, got divorced, hit somebody, gossiped, looked the other way, didn't listen to their parents,... All of these are things a lot of people do without feeling like they really did something wrong, or even feel that they don't even need to feel bad about. Or just don't feel guilty or repentant about. Something I totally understand. I mean everyone has done at least one or two of these things without feeling bad about them. None of these things are horrible or evil, least of all things that deserve everlasting suffering and ****ation.

Personally I find this entire concept a little over the top gloomy. So you did some bad things in your little short life and therefore you'll suffer forever??!!! Wow, talk about cold. Does God really care that little? Does He really judge humans so incredibly harshly? I mean it sounds very very cruel.

Take a moment to really think about what everlasting means, forever, eternity, for all times, and so on.

And also think about a time in your life when you felt constant pain about something, physical or emotional or spiritual. Think about how awful it was to endure.

Now Imagine if that pain was forever, without end or relief in sight, just endless and constant, for all of eternity. Does anything warrant such horrible punishement?


So what do you guys all think, is everlasting punishment not a little bit tad to harsh?
only rejecion to Jesus Christ is the only way to be there. it exist and Jesus warns us about it, and actually there are poor souls in there. remember Jesus parable of the rich man and the poor? God's judgment is just and we don't question about it. you have to boil the water to kill the bacteria. it's a way of proper waste disposal. do you already accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour?
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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'Snail, you use your own faulty reasoning. Where does the Bible say that you are going to heaven? quote]
2ki 2:11And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
2co 5:8We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
Elijah went to heaven so did Enoch Bible does not say that all Christians go to heaven, it is rather that Christians will be in the Kingdom of God which is coming to earth.

"The dead no nothing" Ecc.9:5 - the dead no nothing until there resurrection on earth, they sleep awaiting judgement, all shall be judged by Christ.

Keep that in mind as you read Paul.

Now 2 Cor. 5-8, we have a translation problem here, you will need your 'Stong's Concordance'. The word absent in Greek is apeimi, but Paul uses the word apekdoumai, also the word translated present, appears to be mistranslated as well, so this is really confusing, lets get another witness.

Oh dear me this is a tough one.

James Moffatt New Testament Translation - II Corinthians 5:4-10

"I do sigh within this tent of mine with heavy anxiety, not that I wan't to be stripped, no, but to be under cover of the other, to have my mortal element absorbed by life. I am prepared for this change by God, who has given me the Spirit as it's pledge and instalment. Come what may, then I am confident; I know that while I reside in the body I am away from the Lord (for I have to lead my life in faith, without seeing Him): and in this confidence I would fain get away from the body and reside with the Lord. Hence also I am eager to satisfy Him, whether in the body or away from it; for we all to appear without disguise before the tribunal of Christ, each to be requited for what he has done with his body, well or ill."

Well nothing there to say that anybody goes straight to heaven when they die, actually the more I read this verse the more complicated it becomes.

Young's Literal Translation II Corinthians 5:7-9

"For through faith we walk, not through sight - we have courage, and are well pleased rather to be away from home of the body, and to be at home with the Lord. Wherefore we are also ambitious, whether at home or away from home, to be well pleasing to Him."


hmmmmmm, you see "home" is being translated from endemeo which is a compound word from demos ......

I think this means that Paul is preaching to the Corinthians regarding they move outside their comfort zone, demos is the town of one inhabitance in an Athenian sense. No doubt Paul talks of the coming Judgement for our deeds in the "body" whether at home or away from home! Is Paul encouraging His fellow Christians to seek the Lord away from home, outside their known body? 'Whether at home or away from home, to be pleasing to Him."

Again the King James court has made a bit of mess of this verse, the other translations, and the Greek itself that Paul wrote in are revealing a very different message to the KJV, I have not come accross this error yet, until now.

Thanks Thaddeaus!
 
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Cup....How long do you think someone should go to hell? Have you ever seen the mountains of people hitler tortured and mudered? It's very nice that you have great compassion. I feel you have the compassion of Christ. Christ has given the keys to heaven. It is still up to the people on where they go.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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Cup....How long do you think someone should go to hell?
Well, that's not up to me.


Have you ever seen the mountains of people hitler tortured and mudered?
No I haven't, have you?


It's very nice that you have great compassion. I feel you have the compassion of Christ. Christ has given the keys to heaven. It is still up to the people on where they go.
John 12:47-48

"He that rejecteth Me, and recieve not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."

Concerning a coming Judgement there is no doubt, I find no mistranslation or error in these words, Christ will judge, there is no doubt of that, we all likewise come before the Lord of the universe to be judged as of our words and deeds.

But concerning a firey "Hell" where Jesus Christ and His saints torture live human souls over hot coals for infinity years, there is nothing in the word of God to say that this happens to unbelievers, in fact God says He will not pass people through the fire and that they should not think that He would even consider that because it is not in His nature to do so...But, But, is it in our nature? Have we not thought it? Could we be wrong? Does God condemn humans to infinity in hellhole of unimaginable torture? Or is there designed effort to blaspheme God's holy nature? Yes God punishes, yes God judges, but "will not the Judge of all the earth do right?"

Do people realise that the Bible has the ability to also be a mirror into your own soul and mind, people can project their emotions and insecurities and fears and thoughts whether good ore evil, onto the word of God, the word is like that, and God tests us with His word, especially those whom He has chosen to seek Him further, to seek Him on a deeper level.

It is not that I personally don't God to torture people, it is that I can prove that the Bible does not teach this, the wicked are not immortal, an evil soul cannot withstand God's eternal fire! You see it is His fire that is eternal, not our souls, the righteous soul is immortal but what will become of the wicked? Jesus says that God can destroy the souls of the wicked! His lake of fire is eternal aionious which in the Biblical Greek does not mean infinity, but means that His fire cannot be extinguished, you cannot stop it or overcome it, eternal means that, it has in the Koine Greek a meaning of the "age of ages", does not mean a never ending amount of time, same as "ever" is often translated not to mean a never ending period of time but to mean a God defined age - from aion = age...

All I can say is that we should fear God, anybody that knows what it means to be tortured, knows that yes God is capable of inflicting the most terrifying pain and suffering, and believe me He does, but there is nothing in the Bible that says that the pain lasts for infinity years.

Oh and one more thing; never underestimate Satan's ability to lie and decieve, he is far more intelligent than us, so his plans are far more sophisticated than we can devise.
 

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{{Have you seen the mountians of people hitler torured and killed?}} By Cup: No I havent , Have you? Cup I did not see them myself but I saw it through the eyes and words of one who did. This beautiful soft spoken woman that I grew up next door to, lived and somehow survived aushwits. I saw the number that had been tatood on her arm by the germans, the scars from expearimental surgerys done without anistisia. I saw her hair that turned snow white at age 20 after witnessing her whole family murdered except one. I heard her tell of when they took her family ripping the infant child from her sisters arms and swinging it against the wall killing it instantly. She told how she managed to stay alive by passing the so called health exams. She told how she had to pull an abcesed tooth with old rusty plyers so that she would not be sent to the gas chambers and her tell of the thousands that were. I saw how she held herself when telling of what she went through. I saw her eyes... it was in her eyes that I truelly saw what she had lived through. The reason she spoke so softly was any yelling was to painful to bare because of how the guards always yelled. You may try to dismiss this but you cannot change this truth. I witnessed it through her eyes and heart and I will never forget her story. I can only imagine the anger God our father has for those that would bring any more harm or falsehood to this holocost denial. I do not know your stand on this but I would carefully consider who you would truelly offend if one were to say this did not happen. There is so much more I could say about this but I will leave it for now. God bless, pickles
 
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