Is it a sin to serve in Armed Forces?

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Chilaha

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Hi all,
I am very interested in joining the Armed Forces. But, I have received different responses from other Christians about this decision. Some tell me not to do it while others say it is OK. I would like you answer to be based on facts and also if you can use the Bible that would be great. No biased answers either please.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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Sorry to disappoint you, but you WILL get 90% biased answers on such a topic
Furthermore, people will have some bias in all matters, whether the are aware of it or not :)
 

Nautilus

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Personally I never would join the armed forces, but I cannot think of any biblical reason not to.
 
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greatblue

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There are so many ways to look at this question. Many times an individual will join the armed forces because of legacy, which is in honor of his or her father and mother. Is honoring a commandment from the decalogue sin? Certainly doesn't look like it.

Can a soldier serve and honor God, while fulfilling Christ's commandments? I can think of many examples where a soldier can profess, witness, and serve God! This would not look, sound, or smell like "sin".

In an oppositional light I can see someone trying to cite, Exodus 20:13 commanding, "You shall not murder." Is an armed soldier taking an opposing soldier's life murdering him? Not according to God's law or ours, right?

Actually, if you can list some of the reasons others have said not to do it (using a sin rationale) I'd really like to know what they are.

Perhaps this is for another post, but I see red lights with the question: is it a sin to be a politician?
 
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feedm3

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12 Then came also publicans to be baptized, and said unto him, Master, what shall we do? 13 And he said unto them, Exact no more than that which is appointed you. 14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages

Jesus did not tell them to stop being a soldier. "do violence to no man", does not imply that either, we can infer the things he tells them not to do, were things soldiers were guilty of, being violent toward others, accusing people falsely, and must have murmured about their wages.


Some see the mention of violence as showing they cannot fight in war, I don't see that, I see it as meaning to treat others with respect, even enemies, and civilians. Yet he never told them stop being a soldier.


But really that would be something you have to judge, if you feel it is a sin, you shouldn't do it.

In my opinion, I feel that a Christian can serve God while in the military. I think it's wrong of others to accuse them of being in sin. They will say a military is essential to maintaining freedom, and defending it, yet is it only those who are lost that can serve?
 
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ChristsWarrior

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I personally felt like God was leading me to join the military. Trust in the Lord and let him guide you in the right direction. :) Can I ask which branch you're think about?
 
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Philos

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Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.


Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ. No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; ) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.


Chilaha, what is your judgment concerning the words of the Lord and teachings of one of his apostles that I posted here?
 
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Ariel82

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[why did this post twice?
 
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Ariel82

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Hi all,
I am very interested in joining the Armed Forces. But, I have received different responses from other Christians about this decision. Some tell me not to do it while others say it is OK. I would like you answer to be based on facts and also if you can use the Bible that would be great. No biased answers either please.
all answers will be biased, you just have to understand why and factor that in.

I believe God talks about soldiers and does not say its wrong. here are some Bible verses that show you that sometimes a sword is needed:

Luke 22:35-37

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35 And He said to them, “When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?”
So they said, “Nothing.”
36 Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. 37 For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: ‘And He was numbered with the transgressors.’[a] For the things concerning Me have an end.”

I believe there is a time and place for everything and the Bible tells us to count the cost before setting out on the journey.
2 Timothy 2:2-4

New King James Version (NKJV)

2 And the things that you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also. 3 You therefore must endure[a] hardship as a good soldier of Jesus Christ. 4 No one engaged in warfare entangles himself with the affairs of this life, that he may please him who enlisted him as a soldier.

then you have examples in the Bible of devout soldiers like Cornelius:

Acts 10:7
And when the angel who spoke to him had departed, Cornelius called two of his household servants and a devout soldier from among those who waited on him continually.


and others who saved Peter's life because they were in the position to do so:

Acts 21:32
He immediately took soldiers and centurions, and ran down to them. And when they saw the commander and the soldiers, they stopped beating Paul.

I think you have to pray about it and that God places people in various roles throughout society for a reason. however if you have to chose between doing what your commanding officer says to do and what God says to do, you have to be strong enough in your faith to refuse to gun down the village of women and children. hopefully it will never come to that but I've heard stories. where the officer is later disciplined but "following orders" doesn't cut it.

I'm babbling but what I'm trying to say you should be first and foremost a soldier for Christ and do whatever God leads you to do in life. become a soldier, protect people, follow orders as long as they don't contradict what GOD commands of you.
 

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Hi all,
I am very interested in joining the Armed Forces. But, I have received different responses from other Christians about this decision. Some tell me not to do it while others say it is OK. I would like you answer to be based on facts and also if you can use the Bible that would be great. No biased answers either please.
Beloved,

Our Father wants us as Christians to defend what is right! Such is in protection of our self and family, Our Country and for the right’s of other’s.

But I would ask you to consider this: In the Armed Forces you are subject to kill not only Bad seeds, But Good one’s, because of collateral damage . That’s War time.
In Defending Freedom you will have to accept this. Just something to think about before you make your decision.

We have other defenses’ like Peace officers. That has more choices of who they take out, that serve and protect. You are very young, only you and our Father knows your calling, Seek our Father’s Will for understanding.

And may God Bless you

Here is the war Prayer to our Father

“Ibe”

Psalms 144

1 (A Psalm of David.) Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:
2 My goodness, and my fortress; my high tower, and my deliverer; my shield, and he in whom I trust; who subdueth my people under me.
3 LORD, what is man, that thou takest knowledge of him! or the son of man, that thou makest account of him!
4 Man is like to vanity: his days are as a shadow that passeth away.
5 Bow thy heavens, O LORD, and come down: touch the mountains, and they shall smoke.
6 Cast forth lightning, and scatter them: shoot out thine arrows, and destroy them.
7 Send thine hand from above; rid me, and deliver me out of great waters, from the hand of strange children;
8 Whose mouth speaketh vanity, and their right hand is a right hand of falsehood.
9 I will sing a new song unto thee, O God: upon a psaltery and an instrument of ten strings will I sing praises unto thee.
10 It is he that giveth salvation unto kings: who delivereth David his servant from the hurtful sword.
11 Rid me, and deliver me from the hand of strange children, whose mouth speaketh vanity, and their right hand is a right hand of falsehood:
12 That our sons may be as plants grown up in their youth; that our daughters may be as corner stones, polished after the similitude of a palace:
13 That our garners may be full, affording all manner of store: that our sheep may bring forth thousands and ten thousands in our streets:
14 That our oxen may be strong to labour; that there be no breaking in, nor going out; that there be no complaining in our streets.
15 Happy is that people, that is in such a case: yea, happy is that people, whose God is the LORD.
 
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Hi all,
I am very interested in joining the Armed Forces. But, I have received different responses from other Christians about this decision. Some tell me not to do it while others say it is OK. I would like you answer to be based on facts and also if you can use the Bible that would be great. No biased answers either please.
I don’t think it’s wrong for people to defend themselves, or those they care about, from legitimate threats.
 
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Chilaha

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I personally felt like God was leading me to join the military. Trust in the Lord and let him guide you in the right direction. :) Can I ask which branch you're think about?
Well, I was thinking the Army or Marines because I wanted to be an infantryman.
But, now I am considering the National Guard or Coast Guard. At least in these branches I know we are fighting out of defense and not attacking anyone. So, do you think these branches are good because they are more for self-defense and protection?

Oh, and the reasons people tell me that it is bad to join is because they say the US government is not trustworthy. Some of the people also thought 9/11 was a conspiracy theory though. I hope I'm not about to spark a debate. :) They also said that the wars we fight are not necessary, they think they are for the US's economic welfare.
 
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OFM

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I WAS IN THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORP. WE FIGHT FOR THOSE WHO CAN NOT FIGHT FOR THEMSELFS THATS OURS MAIN MISSION>>>It is NOT AT ALL A SIN TOO ME.
BEE BLESSED ALLWAYS
AMEN.
 
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psychomom

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I WAS IN THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORP. WE FIGHT FOR THOSE WHO CAN NOT FIGHT FOR THEMSELFS THATS OURS MAIN MISSION>>>It is NOT AT ALL A SIN TOO ME.
BEE BLESSED ALLWAYS
AMEN.
Jeff, I didn't know that about you! Thank you for your service! ♥
Once a leather-neck, always a leather-neck, right? ;)
~ellie
 

Dude653

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There seems to be a popular belief here in CC that it is against God to be patriotic to your country and that a christian has no business in the millitary. This infuriates me. This way of thinking is a slap in the face to all those who given their lives to serve and protect our nation. Our Bible clearly tells us that we are to honor our government and those in authority do not bear the sword in vain. Do you not recall when Jesus Christ himself intstructed his desciples to go and purchase swords? This type of anti millitary and government propaganda is dispicable and self serving. Those who have this attitude, i suggest you all go find and island somewhere and form your own nation. oh,,,and wait ans see how long it takes for another country to come take over
 
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kensapp

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no. For as long as people pay respect with the other religion then I belive everything is okay..
 
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Jesus told the Jews, who were in a covenant with God and under vow to him: “Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.” (Matthew 22:21) What we render to Caesar (governments) certainly is not our lives, for we never did owe these to Caesar and they do not belong to him. The life Caesar himself possesses he owes to God, not to himself as an immortal god. For this reason authentic history shows that Christians of the first century did not expose their lives to the risks of warfare by joining Caesar’s armies, but took the penalty that Caesar imposed for their refusing to be inducted. In this course those early Christians had Jesus as their example, Leader and Instructor. Jesus lived within Caesar’s realm, because by military aggressions imperial Rome had conquered Palestine. After laying down the law for his followers, Jesus himself did not enlist in Caesar’s armies. He knew that God and Caesar are not friends. That is why Caesar, through his governor Pilate, put the Son of God to death and thereafter violently persecuted Jesus’ followers. Jesus’ sermon on the mount says we cannot serve two masters, especially when both masters are foes to each other. So when there arises any conflict between God and Caesar, they yield to these superior duties, just as Peter the apostle said to the Law court: “We must obey God as ruler rather than men….and we are witnesses.”-Acts 5:29-32.

Jesus told Caesar’s representative Pilate: “My kingdom is no part of this world. If my kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews. But, as it is, my kingdom is not from this source.” Then Jesus told Pilate why he had not engaged in any military effort to liberate the Jews from Caesar’s domination, saying: “For this purpose I have been born and for this purpose I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth.” He came to be Jehovah’s witness and to take followers out from this world, and make them witnesses like himself. So he told his apostles: “Because you are no part of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, on this account the world hates you.” And when he prayed to God for them he said: “They are no part of the world just as I am no part of the world.”-John 18:36, 37; 15:19; 17:14, 16.

If their form of worship is to be “clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father,” then they must each one endeavor to “keep oneself without spot from the world”. (James 1:27) They tell the officials that they are absolutely neutral toward the political disputes and the international controversies and combats of this world. They take no active or violent part for either side, but pay their vows to God and always advocate his kingdom and way of salvation.
 
In summary, those inclined to become a Christian witness of Jehovah cannot unless they takes a vow by which they fully devotes themselves to God through Jesus Christ and so assume superior duties. They acknowledge God as the Supreme Being and Fountain of life and the Provider of the way to eternal life. (Psalms 3:8; 36:9) They approach God through Jesus Christ. They acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God who laid down his human life for them, thus providing a purchase price for them. No political state, no “Caesar” or emperor or dictator, can do these things for the dying sinner. And so they do not attribute their debt of life to any political system, but attribute their lives to God and seeks to render it to him through Christ. They acknowledges that these Scriptures apply to them: “…you do not belong to yourselves, for you were bought with a price. By all means, glorify God in the body of you people.“ “You were bought with a price, stop becoming slaves of men.” (1 Corinthians 6:19, 20; 7:23) So their lives and their implicit obedience and superior duties they render to God as belonging to him; and they surrender their lives in God’s service and not in that of any men.
 
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nathan3

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It is Not a sin.
 
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Tee11

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As you go through scriptures there were arm forces my favorite was Joshua! He and his army went into the land and took the land that was promised to them by God. Could you really image if we didn't have the arm forces what would happen remember not everyone loves the Lord and they are plotting to show just how much they don't. My husband and son served in the military and I can't thank them enough. My answer to the question is no it's not a sin it's a must especially in this day and time.