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There are many things that I may not agree with nor condone in these churches and ministries that you mention and many more, but I will not judge or condemn them either. It is not my place nor the ministry that God has given us as believers. We have been called and have been given a word and ministry of reconciliation (2Cor 5:18, 19). We have been called to lay our life down for the brethren and to wash one another's feet. We are called to seek and save the lost through the preaching of the gospel of Christ and to go into all the world to do that. If you want to go around and reprove these ministries and point out what is of God and what is not, you have that freedom, but just what kind of a house are you building? Whether or not it will bear God's fruit depends on the vine it's coming from. Walter Martin and those like him will be rewarded according to their work. I would examine very carefully whether this is the kind of yoke that Christ was referring to in (Mt 11:29).
Don't forget what our Lord Jesus Christ told John to write concerning the church at Ephesus.
Rev 2:1-7 'Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God'.
Don't forget what our Lord Jesus Christ told John to write concerning the church at Ephesus.
Rev 2:1-7 'Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God'.
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I would like to use some of your very own words to prove my point. Remember the last thread we discussed on sleepingmonkeys thread titled Don't Argue...Encourage? I copied it and posted your own words above cause it applies to this thread as well. It is the 2nd quote. Read the entry you made carefully and tell me what you meant. Your views according to your own posts here and there completely contradict each other which convinces me that you really don't believe what you say but your only intent is to argue with someone.
Do you disagree with the content of those posts? Is there anything that you see as contrary to sound doctrine and to the word of God? If so, state your case! These are two different posts dealing with two subjects and you have criticized both and concluded that my motive is to be argumentative. I don't believe in compromise, never have and never will, not even with you. One of the most careless and reckless statements that a believer can make is, 'We agree to disagree'. That is spiritual poppycock. That is a compromising fool that has no backbone in the truth.
These two post you have mentioned are easily reconciled and can be understood very simply.
If you come into my house or my church family and bring another gospel or you pervert grace and the doctrines of Christ, I am going to do something about it and your not going to like it. You will not be able to continue in your gospel or doctrine that is contrary to sound words. If you want to do that in your family or the church you attend, have at it, but you will not be able to do that in my family or the local church that God has called me to by grace. If you continued, you would be asked to leave or escorted peaceable, unless you became a troublemaker. Is that to hard for you? Is that not edifying? Then so be it.
When you leave and go back to your church and family, I won't criticize you, I won't judge you or speak any evil of you, but I have no fellowship with you. Fellowship is based upon walking in the light as He is in the light (1Jn 1:7). You preach another gospel and pervert the gospel of grace, I have no part with you because you are not walking in the light of God's grace. Paul said let that person be accursed (Gal 1:8,9). Maybe you would like to elaborate and expound on that for those who might be interested.
If you are a believer that is confused or have been taught things that are contrary to sound words and doctrine, and you have a heart that is after God and you want to know the truth because you love God, then God will give you grace because He sees the humility of your heart. He will always give grace to the humble (James 4:6, 1Pt 5:5) but if you are proud and you refuse instructions then God will resist you. The meek will God teach (Ps 25:9). You would think that believers would be able to get it right about their own salvation that God gave them as a gift of grace and through faith. But so many don't know if they can lose it or not because they are so double-minded and unstable and run around being fearful that they might be able to walk away from it or sin their way out of it. And we are suppose to sit here on this site and let professing Christians teach this kind of doctrine and perverted gospel and if you oppose it you are accused of being argumentative and unedifying. If you want that kind of Christianity you can have it, but not me and I hope that others will speak up who have some good old fashion backbone.
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