Verging on anti semitism?

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The following is in a reply, and I believe it deserves its own thread:

"Who is a Jew? You believe Paul, hear him:

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Again, I believe all who call upon Yeshua in spirit and truth are of Abraham, whether they speak Hebrew or not, and whether they call Him Yeshua or Jesus. They walk in grace obeying the law as inscribed upon their hearts by the Holy Spirit."
 
JaumeJ

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JaumeJ said:
The following is in a reply, and I believe it deserves its own thread:

"Who is a Jew? You believe Paul, hear him:

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Again, I believe all who call upon Yeshua in spirit and truth are of Abraham, whether they speak Hebrew or not, and whether they call Him Yeshua or Jesus. They walk in grace obeying the law as inscribed upon their hearts by the Holy Spirit."
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Reading the quote from Romans, above, is it not desirable to be a JEW in the sight of God? I am not saying to change your language, this is not being a Jew. The meaning of the word, Jew, is praiser of Yah or Yahweh. Are we not praisers of Yahweh inwardly, thus making all who do so true Jews. Do not go down that dark and ugly road of anti semitism only to satisfy egotistical thinking, WORSHIP GOD, be a Praiser of Yahweh, or if you prefer be a Praiser of God, amen.
 
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JaumeJ said:
Reading the quote from Romans, above, is it not desirable to be a JEW in the sight of God? I am not saying to change your language, this is not being a Jew. The meaning of the word, Jew, is praiser of Yah or Yahweh. Are we not praisers of Yahweh inwardly, thus making all who do so true Jews. Do not go down that dark and ugly road of anti semitism only to satisfy egotistical thinking, WORSHIP GOD, be a Praiser of Yahweh, or if you prefer be a Praiser of God, amen.
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I must caution against infutile discussions here. What you have written of above has nothing to do with the term anti-semitism. That term was coined in the 19th century through the activities of a german left-wing anarchist (who later renounced these ideas).
 
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tribesman said:
I must caution against infutile discussions here. What you have written of above has nothing to do with the term anti-semitism. That term was coined in the 19th century through the activities of a german left-wing anarchist (who later renounced these ideas).
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When any individual's personal beliefs about any given people, nation or race hinder his ability to receive and believe the truth from the Word, the hindrance is a negative effect on his soul, blinding him from the truth of the Gospel of the Lord. If people are so afraid or have such an aversion to anything unakin to their own thinking on a rail, this is prejudice, and a fair warning is of the Holy Spirit, not of intellectual endeavor, which will not achieve anything in the face of our Maker.
 
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There is much to what you are saying. Just not sure it fits under a discussion of antisemitism.

I am still quite sure it was hard for many gentiles, who lived in apostolic times, to accept that the Messiah was jewish. Just as it was hard for some jews to accept that Jesus is that Messiah. It took the power of God to convince both groups (who both were "under sin" as Paul said - Rom.3:9).
 
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tribesman said:
There is much to what you are saying. Just not sure it fits under a discussion of antisemitism.

I am still quite sure it was hard for many gentiles, who lived in apostolic times, to accept that the Messiah was jewish. Just as it was hard for some jews to accept that Jesus is that Messiah. It took the power of God to convince both groups (who both were "under sin" as Paul said - Rom.3:9).
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It is my desire that when I do post and refer to the Body of Yeshua, I am referring to the believing peoples everywhere, be they in the flesh as Jews or otherwise, for we all become One in Yeshua.

My only problem is with anyone who will allow a person's vocabulary or accent interfere with fellowship when the content of what has been stated is clear, this is prejudice, and if it is due to an aversion to Jews, I know of no other term than anti semitic as used today. Please forgive my frankness, there is nothing new about what is stated in the post.

I have read that many gentiles had heard and believed that the truth would come from the Jews by means of a savior. It is fairly certain most had not a clue about any faith, let alone of the Jews, but this is taught by some.
 
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I don't know if christians in general object to the terms "jew/s" or "Israel" as rightly applied to them being the covenant people. But I would think many non-messianic jews would feel greatly offended by gentiles calling themselves "jews". They often react with quite a disgust at such entities as "messianic judaism", meaning that the term "judaism" should not be used. Since, as they see it, christianity, how much hebrew roots you ever add to it, is not a kind of judaism. I must say this is plausible. Christianity and judaism have some common traits, but also a great gulf which separates them. If a person want to use what he believe to be the original Names of the Father and the Son, then that's another bag entirely. I see no problems with that. To call christianity a form of judaism is something else.
 
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You know there is a lack of understanding, that many do not acknowledge that Yahshua the Messiah came into the world to become our sin offering to Yahvah God for our Salvation.


If anyone is angry with the Jews for killing him they are without understanding....

For it is by this act that we have Salvation.

Of course it shows us the evil of how this world works that one comes into the world not hurting anyone speaking only truth and healing people only to be killed by those that be of this world....

Yahshua the Messiah was innocent and Good but the world rejected him...

They prefer the darkness to the Light, the question is what do you prefer?


The Light showed us the darkness.............


Peace and Blessings in the name of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
 
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This verse says it all :
Matthew 26

51And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear. 52Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. 53Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? 54But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?
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tribesman said:
I don't know if christians in general object to the terms "jew/s" or "Israel" as rightly applied to them being the covenant people. But I would think many non-messianic jews would feel greatly offended by gentiles calling themselves "jews". They often react with quite a disgust at such entities as "messianic judaism", meaning that the term "judaism" should not be used. Since, as they see it, christianity, how much hebrew roots you ever add to it, is not a kind of judaism. I must say this is plausible. Christianity and judaism have some common traits, but also a great gulf which separates them. If a person want to use what he believe to be the original Names of the Father and the Son, then that's another bag entirely. I see no problems with that. To call christianity a form of judaism is something else.
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Now terminology and vocabulary have blocked the understanding of what I have reiterated converting this into debating. I am not so intellectual as to credit myself with such prowess. If people wish to be offended by their own lack of understanding, thus it will be.
 
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tribesman said:
I don't know if christians in general object to the terms "jew/s" or "Israel" as rightly applied to them being the covenant people. But I would think many non-messianic jews would feel greatly offended by gentiles calling themselves "jews". They often react with quite a disgust at such entities as "messianic judaism", meaning that the term "judaism" should not be used. Since, as they see it, christianity, how much hebrew roots you ever add to it, is not a kind of judaism. I must say this is plausible. Christianity and judaism have some common traits, but also a great gulf which separates them. If a person want to use what he believe to be the original Names of the Father and the Son, then that's another bag entirely. I see no problems with that. To call christianity a form of judaism is something else.
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The Son of Yahvah God Yahshua the Messiah offended a certain sect of Jews also...

First let us seek not to offend Yahvah God, if anything offends man from this... let us not dwell on it too long.. since we serve Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah it comes with the territory......
 
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JaumeJ said:
Now terminology and vocabulary have blocked the understanding of what I have reiterated converting this into debating. I am not so intellectual as to credit myself with such prowess. If people wish to be offended by their own lack of understanding, thus it will be.
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Reviewing my post above, I realize it could be taken wrongly, the comment on offense is in regard to Jews who may be offended at non-Jews thinking themselves Jews inwardly, this is the intent of the comment. As per Jews, I am certain with a small amount of meditation one will understand the difference between those who call themselves Jews and are not, rather they are a synagogue of Satan and true Jews. One must always keep in mind the Jewish people (blood) are chosen, and chosen to be used by Yahweh God. Much of what we see in them is no more and no less than object lessons on what our conduct and future is. One is Law, the other is Promise.
Now the big difference between believing Jews and non-believing Jews is simple, one is simply here to be watched and to carry out what will unfold in end times, the other is waiting for the King of kings to return and reign, amen.
 
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loveme1 said:
The Son of Yahvah God Yahshua the Messiah offended a certain sect of Jews also...

First let us seek not to offend Yahvah God, if anything offends man from this... let us not dwell on it too long.. since we serve Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah it comes with the territory......
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This is correct ... but ... this still have to be reconciled and harmonizing with this pauline teaching:
1Cor.10

[32] Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
[33] Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.
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JaumeJ said:
Now terminology and vocabulary have blocked the understanding of what I have reiterated converting this into debating. I am not so intellectual as to credit myself with such prowess. If people wish to be offended by their own lack of understanding, thus it will be.
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Let's skip the offense part then and do with the fact that christianity is not judaism. That ought to be easy to understand.
 
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JaumeJ said:
...Now the big difference between believing Jews and non-believing Jews is simple, one is simply here to be watched and to carry out what will unfold in end times, the other is waiting for the King of kings to return and reign, amen.
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What will the non-believing jews (if you are referring to them) "carry out" that "will unfold in end times"?
 
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tribesman said:
Let's skip the offense part then and do with the fact that christianity is not judaism. That ought to be easy to understand.
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When it comes to the Israel of Yahweh there are no isms not one, this is only part of what I have been conveying. Never, ever have I even suggested Judaism is what anyone should follow, and I doubt any theology under the umbrella of Christianity is recognized by the Father not one, otherwise anyone outside of that one is lost.
 
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tribesman said:
What will the non-believing jews (if you are referring to them) "carry out" that "will unfold in end times"?
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Watch Israel, it is as simple as that. Watch!
 
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tribesman said:
This is correct ... but ... this still have to be reconciled and harmonizing with this pauline teaching:
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Of course i do not go out of my way to offend anyone, no certainly not.

If in serving Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah in Spirit and Truth i offend, then so be it.

If in exalting myself above another i offend then Yahvah God help me...
 
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One of the more complete elaborations is from the Master, Mark all of chapter 13. I was simply making reference to Yeshua's teaching.
 
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