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If this is how a dispute or discussion is to be held between you and I, I don't think I care much to continue, unless you wish to discuss the matter at hand using scripture and logic. If you have no desire to actually look at the matter of women preachers itself, and instead only wish to show me how inadequate, Godless and blind to the Truth I am, then perhaps it's best not to bother.
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The following are the Master's words and teachings immediately after your partial quote trying to support the line of thinking about commandments and law:
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
If you believe it personal when I use the personal pronoun, YOU, when replying to you, I will simply have to post with no personal pronouns, but nowhere have any posts been personal except in direct response to a declaration made by the person posting. It is kind of necessary don't you think?
Sometimes I post oversized pastes from the Word, but I do this in order for the target quote to be in context, not out of context. I hope this is not personal.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
If you believe it personal when I use the personal pronoun, YOU, when replying to you, I will simply have to post with no personal pronouns, but nowhere have any posts been personal except in direct response to a declaration made by the person posting. It is kind of necessary don't you think?
Sometimes I post oversized pastes from the Word, but I do this in order for the target quote to be in context, not out of context. I hope this is not personal.
It is very difficult to discuss much when one side thinks in terms of "between you and me" on a subject that should be treated as though it is from the Word. When partial quotes are used out of context to support an individual's way of thinking, it is definitely not for the glory of God, Yahweh. Anyone can argue, but it is better to submit to Yahweh in His beloved Only Begotten Son, Yeshua, amen.
I don't think it's necessary to resort to basically saying 'You are wrong, I am right, you are blind, I can see, you make your own laws, you do this, you do that'. No. That's not necessary.
The scripture you posted supports what I am saying. The law is the law. And the law still exists. Timothy made the law of women preachers, after Jesus. Not before.
The scripture you posted supports what I am saying. The law is the law. And the law still exists. Timothy made the law of women preachers, after Jesus. Not before.
Timothy or any of the disciples made laws? This is the first time I have ever heard this. Granted the Twelve plus Paul do teach and recommend much, but making laws since the fulfillment of the Laws of Moses is a brand new concept. I will remain with the grace given by the sacrifice of Yeshua and remain in the protection of His Blood. Now, someone was finished with the topic.
I have read the Word from Genesis to the final amen of Revelation systematically for over 40 years, and I still do not know as much as you seem to know, however I will continue to glorify Yahweh in Yeshua as best I am given until He accepts me in the Kingdom, when it is His time for me. This is all I strive for, and striving with you over new commandments given by apostles or man is not going to glorify Him further. You (personal here) declared you were finished discussing with me, please, now after so many more posts, keep your word.
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Looks like a lot of deflecting and no scriptural foundation for your argument. And yes, trying to make it personal and cause offence because you don't have the scriptures to successfully argue your point. By all means, get personal if that's all you can argue about now. Find the scriptures and show them. Otherwise, keep trying to deflect.
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You just finished explaining you ceased attending any church/assembly long ago.
For that reason alone, if not others directly related to your issue with Paul's clear instruction to the model-Pastor, Timothy, you are not really qualified to speak on this, JaumeJ.
If you sought out another church today which was under the authority of a woman I dare say before very long you would once again be back at home wondering what hit you. This has nothing whatsoever to do with women's intelligence or ability to understand the Word, ability and need for her to share the Word with others outside the church; devotion to Christ, or other.
It has to do with whether or not The Holy Spirit is actually going to 'anoint'/equip women to pastor/teach after having made clear they were not to do so. In every instance I have examined where a woman is rebelling against the order established, that church is falling away from the Truth and/or falling into gross sin.
Do you think The Lord will contradict Himself on this matter?
For that reason alone, if not others directly related to your issue with Paul's clear instruction to the model-Pastor, Timothy, you are not really qualified to speak on this, JaumeJ.
If you sought out another church today which was under the authority of a woman I dare say before very long you would once again be back at home wondering what hit you. This has nothing whatsoever to do with women's intelligence or ability to understand the Word, ability and need for her to share the Word with others outside the church; devotion to Christ, or other.
It has to do with whether or not The Holy Spirit is actually going to 'anoint'/equip women to pastor/teach after having made clear they were not to do so. In every instance I have examined where a woman is rebelling against the order established, that church is falling away from the Truth and/or falling into gross sin.
Do you think The Lord will contradict Himself on this matter?
You declare you believe a woman should not speak or teach, correct madam? I have placed Holy Scripture in this thread in many posts demonstrating what the Word has to say about the subject in question. Do not do the work of the enemy in tempting others. If you really believe what you have stated here, simply read all my posts..........not so difficult to resolve now is it? Now, you may remain quiet on any subject regarding instruction or preaching in that you are a firm believer in a woman keeping her mouth shut. This is your belief being peddled to me, not my belief. Again, any person woman, man, child, even a jackass (as with the prophet, Balaam) speaking the Word of the Lord, is to be heard.
Again, 'I think'. We are all giving our opinions on an opinion are we? Seems a bit deceptive doesn't it. Truth isn't difficult. It's extremely simple. It's straightforward, and it's easy. Truth doesn't elude you, lies deceive you.
11Women should listen and learn quietly and submissively. 12I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly. 13For God made Adam first, and afterward he made Eve. 14And it was the woman, not Adam, who was deceived by Satan, and sin was the result.
this is extremely simple. It says what it says. One disciples word is no more important, relevant or truthful than another's, really, is it?
11Women should listen and learn quietly and submissively. 12I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly. 13For God made Adam first, and afterward he made Eve. 14And it was the woman, not Adam, who was deceived by Satan, and sin was the result.
this is extremely simple. It says what it says. One disciples word is no more important, relevant or truthful than another's, really, is it?
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lol I think you are getting quite heated in this discussion, maybe it's time to calm down. Firstly, it's a discussion - I'm not preaching. So any argument there of 'shutting up' is useless and not my argument. Yes, you need to reread my posts... as I've said at least 3 times now, God can use women without contradicting His own Word. Any belief of women preachers is in direct contradiction to the Word.