Women as Preachers: Does God's word authorize this???

[Tru2JHWH]

As we all know there are many women standing in pulpits today preaching the word of God to men and women.

In 1 Timothy 2:11-12,15 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be silence. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness and sobriety.
In 1 Corinthians 14:34 -35 34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is shame for women to speak in the church.

I understand that when these New Testament books was written they was written to a group of people in a specific area. But as scripture points out God has given men the primary teaching authority in the church. I do understand beforehand a lot of people may disagree that's fine and a lot of you will want to prove your point just make sure that you stick to New Testament law. Also if you may so kindly point out to me any women in the New Testament that was a Pastor, deacon, elder, or bishop. (Book, chapter, verse plz)

With that being said Do you know, without a shadow of doubt, that it is wrong for women to become pastors of churches? Like I have said before, I'm a book, chapter, and verse kind of girl so your opinions won't be any good to me or other people reading this post if you can't dig in the scriptures yourself and seek what God is saying in his word. Thanks in advance for all your comments! God Bless!

 

[nathan3]

There were tons of women preachers teachers etc. all over the bible that God used. A deeper study of the subject will clear up what Paul was talking about.

 

[jimmydiggs]

How much clearer could you get?

1 Timothy 2:12

I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.

 

[loveme1]

Share the Truth as a servant relaying his/her Masters message.

Consider yourself to be sitting closer to the front of the class, and simply relay all you receive to those who cannot hear the teacher....


Glory to Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.

 

[abair]

why it shame for women to speak in church ??
back in islam they say the voice of woman is like her sexual part not allow to show it
Some similarities here
whatever no one could say woman cant do that what I know there are Pastor women
and women talk in churchs
could yu tell a woman to shut up and learn in silence in church because jesus say so ?
could you go to a woman pastor in church and ask her to stop because women should not teach as jesus say so ?
are you telling me God do not want here my voice pray in church?
so why the hell I go pray any way for some one see my voice as a shame ?

 

[abair]

I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.

thank God for democracy
you must be so sad that some women have authority over you thanks to their ability

 

[abair]

There were tons of women preachers teachers etc. all over the bible that God used. A deeper study of the subject will clear up what Paul was talking about

can you name one ??

 

[abair]

There were tons of women preachers teachers etc. all over the bible that God used. A deeper study of the subject will clear up what Paul was talking about.

can you name one ?

 

[loveme1]

4 And the children of Israel again did evil in the sight of the Lord, when Ehud was dead.

2 And the Lord sold them into the hand of Jabin king of Canaan, that reigned in Hazor; the captain of whose host was Sisera, which dwelt in Harosheth of the Gentiles.

3 And the children of Israel cried unto the Lord: for he had nine hundred chariots of iron; and twenty years he mightily oppressed the children of Israel.

4 And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.

5 And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.

6 And she sent and called Barak the son of Abinoam out of Kedeshnaphtali, and said unto him, Hath not the Lord God of Israel commanded, saying, Go and draw toward mount Tabor, and take with thee ten thousand men of the children of Naphtali and of the children of Zebulun?

7 And I will draw unto thee to the river Kishon Sisera, the captain of Jabin's army, with his chariots and his multitude; and I will deliver him into thine hand.

8 And Barak said unto her, If thou wilt go with me, then I will go: but if thou wilt not go with me, then I will not go.

9 And she said, I will surely go with thee: notwithstanding the journey that thou takest shall not be for thine honour; for the Lord shall sell Sisera into the hand of a woman. And Deborah arose, and went with Barak to Kedesh.

10 And Barak called Zebulun and Naphtali to Kedesh; and he went up with ten thousand men at his feet: and Deborah went up with him.

11 Now Heber the Kenite, which was of the children of Hobab the father in law of Moses, had severed himself from the Kenites, and pitched his tent unto the plain of Zaanaim, which is by Kedesh.

12 And they shewed Sisera that Barak the son of Abinoam was gone up to mount Tabor.

13 And Sisera gathered together all his chariots, even nine hundred chariots of iron, and all the people that were with him, from Harosheth of the Gentiles unto the river of Kishon.

14 And Deborah said unto Barak, Up; for this is the day in which the Lord hath delivered Sisera into thine hand: is not the Lord gone out before thee? So Barak went down from mount Tabor, and ten thousand men after him.

15 And the Lord discomfited Sisera, and all his chariots, and all his host, with the edge of the sword before Barak; so that Sisera lighted down off his chariot, and fled away on his feet.

 

[Mia2]

A woman should be quiet and not teach or preach unless... to the lost, unbelievers, those of other faiths..

A woman should respect her husband.

Theres an order to things.
The Father God Almighty is the head of Jesus. Jesus is the head of the man. And the man is the head of the woman.

 

[loveme1]

man or woman share the Truth for the Glory of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.

 

[loveme1]

John 20

16Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. 17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. 18Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.

Yahshua the Messiah did not wait for a male to send his message, he Trusted mary to go and share his message.



Peace and Blessings in the name of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah

 

[WolfInOxHide]

I believe we are made male and female so that we can understand:
Creator <> Mankind
Y'Shua <> The Church
Man <> Woman

Men are men because their spirit needs to struggle with the relationship from God's point of view.
Women are women because their spirit needs to struggle with the relationship from mankind's point of view.
We all need both, but we can deal with the other gender's aspect better with our prayer time.
In the end, we understand both sides if we do it right. We experience our own gender from practice, and the other gender through insight.

When we try to take on the wrong role, our spiritual journey (and others') is slowed or even stopped.
I also believe this is the reason why homosexuality is considered an abomination, because spiritually, it reflects trying to make one's creator/soul mate in the exact image of one's self.

I don't think either is about "equality" or "rights".

The truth of the matter is, when a woman stands up before an assembly of men, many of those men are judging her based on how good looking she is/is not, rather than hearing the message.
And a man cannot intimately minister to a woman the way another woman can, because when he shows that compassion, others are judging his intent with all those hugs and tear wiping. Especially the woman's husband 0_o
But when a man ministers to another man, tear wiping is not necessary, just an "I feel ya bro...", half hug, and a handkerchief is all we need.

Not saying this is true for all people, but, you know how it is.
Having said all that, I do not judge a woman for preaching from a pulpit.
But I will not frequent that church because my discernment tells me that there are some aspects of being a father/husband that she cannot experience.
I also will not frequent a church where the pastor or especially other men have private meetings with a woman. I've seen marriages broken because of this, even when the intent was good on both sides. Often, the woman compares her husband to the pastor, or the husband compares himself to the pastor.
Temptations on top of what we already have. *shudder*

 

[jimmydiggs]

thank God for democracy
you must be so sad that some women have authority over you thanks to their ability

So, you don't like that I quoted the bible pertaining to women serving as a pastor?

I sure hope that is not the case.

 

[Abiding]

is this thread about the importance of woman and their gift and purpose and value? or about
who is to be an overseer or teacher in the church?

 

[Abiding]

what does politics have to do with Gods will?

 

[Abiding]

and why dont you give scripture if you have it?
rather than stir up controversy

 

[Abiding]

what if 100 woman came in and said it was right and 50 men agreed....would that make a difference to you?
what if 1000 men agreed with it?
what if 10,000 men agreed?

 

[Abiding]

what if 10,000 woman took charge of the churches and preached like there was no tomorrow?
would that make it right?

 

[GreenNnice]

As we all know there are many women standing in pulpits today preaching the word of God to men and women.

In 1 Timothy 2:11-12,15 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be silence. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness and sobriety.
In 1 Corinthians 14:34 -35 34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is shame for women to speak in the church.

I understand that when these New Testament books was written they was written to a group of people in a specific area. But as scripture points out God has given men the primary teaching authority in the church. I do understand beforehand a lot of people may disagree that's fine and a lot of you will want to prove your point just make sure that you stick to New Testament law. Also if you may so kindly point out to me any women in the New Testament that was a Pastor, deacon, elder, or bishop. (Book, chapter, verse plz)

With that being said Do you know, without a shadow of doubt, that it is wrong for women to become pastors of churches? Like I have said before, I'm a book, chapter, and verse kind of girl so your opinions won't be any good to me or other people reading this post if you can't dig in the scriptures yourself and seek what God is saying in his word. Thanks in advance for all your comments! God Bless!

Read all you want of scripture, ywhtrue, for The Truth is true but God's PLAN for us, personally, trumps ALL. the Lord leads, and, I have NO DOUBT that God can and has used MANY women , and, gratly so, to teach others The Word. God's plan, God's plan, God's plan, don't think just because Paul said 'Men should not have long hair that they CAN'T have long hair. The Lord leads and His sovereign will trumps ALL !

There were tons of women preachers teachers etc. all over the bible that God used. A deeper study of the subject will clear up what Paul was talking about.

Nato, give examples, please, this does not change The facts that God, indeed, called The Paula White's and Joyce Meyer''s and Elizabeth Elliott's of The world to teach and preach in modern times, but, yes, explain women preachers in biblical times, please. [/COLOR]

How much clearer could you get?

1 Timothy 2:12

I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.

Legalism, jimdig . Just like The pharasees accusing (soundw like Satan doesnt it?) Jesus of sinning by healing others ahd doing 'works' on The sabbath.

What does God want from us, ultimately when it comes to resting on The sabbath? Not our sacrifice but our compassion.