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    Holy Spirit speaks through brothers and sisters, i would be careful to tell a sister she can't let the Holy Spirit speak through her, that would be committing the unpardonable wouldn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenNnice View Post
    We can always make a case basis, but please don't generalize, A-O.
    Meyers, by the way, I've heard speak a few times and that ordained pastor speaks The Truth, and, surely, has reached so many, dare I say a majority, 'women,, for Christ.


    Anyway, I don't care to muddle scripture and I am not. God, ultimately, leads believers lives and IF God called Meyers , which He DID, to the unusual duty of ordained minister then so be it. Far be it for me (and, hopefully) you to try and say, 'Well, Paul said women should be silent, God, so why did you make her a pastor, and, not just a pastor, but A PASTOR TO THE WORLD! Why, Lord God?'

    A-O: ' Wh--'SILENCE !!! says God. Who are you ? I AM !
    I don't know what the generalizations were. I provided both an article and a video which go to her sermons to show here blatantly heretical doctrine.

    Let's just get down to the point -- do you too throw out the books authored by Paul? Are they not God's Word in your eyes?

    I have no idea why people single out Paul so much. Why not throw other prophets? Why is he such a target...it's strange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brother_Don View Post
    Holy Spirit speaks through brothers and sisters, i would be careful to tell a sister she can't let the Holy Spirit speak through her, that would be committing the unpardonable wouldn't it?
    This has nothing to do with the Holy spirit speaking through anyone. It has to do with the office of pastor and the Bible's clear statement that a man, and a married man at that, should hold it.

    So the question as always is...do you believe God's Word or do you not believe?

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    This thread as a whole has helped me see the situation from a less judgmental viewpoint, and to reconsider what the scripture means when it says "speak in church" vs. the idea of "women pastors".
    I am sure I will be praying about this for days now.

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    and now its only married men apparently...this is great, Im really glad I attend a church thats not so terribly legalistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tru2JHWH View Post
    As we all know there are many women standing in pulpits today preaching the word of God to men and women.

    In 1 Timothy 2:11-12,15 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be silence. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness and sobriety.
    In 1 Corinthians 14:34 -35 34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is shame for women to speak in the church.

    I understand that when these New Testament books was written they was written to a group of people in a specific area. But as scripture points out God has given men the primary teaching authority in the church. I do understand beforehand a lot of people may disagree that's fine and a lot of you will want to prove your point just make sure that you stick to New Testament law. Also if you may so kindly point out to me any women in the New Testament that was a Pastor, deacon, elder, or bishop. (Book, chapter, verse plz)

    With that being said Do you know, without a shadow of doubt, that it is wrong for women to become pastors of churches? Like I have said before, I'm a book, chapter, and verse kind of girl so your opinions won't be any good to me or other people reading this post if you can't dig in the scriptures yourself and seek what God is saying in his word. Thanks in advance for all your comments! God Bless!

    NO and NO..Women use Galatians 3:28 as a defense, however, it is speaking of salvation and salvation only...Cheers======

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    Both Men and 'Women'. Which this has to do with the end generation. that both men and women shall teach and prophesy , by the Holy Spirit speaking through them, when the when they are delivered up before the false messiah. Women shall teach; it will be the Holy Spirit teaching through them...

    You asked me where that is written


    Acts Chapter 2, Peter quoting Joel said

    16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

    17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

    18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

    19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

    20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

    21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.



    Joel 2: God speaking :

    28And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

    29And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

    30And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

    31The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

    32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.





    You can read in detail of this very important time in mark 13: 8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.

    9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

    10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

    11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Spirit. <--- right here. This is that, spoken by Joel the Prophet, that we were given an example of in Acts 2. The same will happen to men and women at that time anti-Christ stands in the holy place.

    Read also in Luke 21 and Matthew 24.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nautilus View Post
    and now its only married men apparently...this is great, Im really glad I attend a church thats not so terribly legalistic.
    Apparently??

    "This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;" - 1 Timothy 3

    I don't know why some are acting like i am just making these things up. It's in Scripture. If you reject Scripture in certain areas, then just say so.


    Believe me, I am well aware that the majority of the American church does not agree with the Bible on this. They just reject it. That is their choice but I think that is sinful rebellion because it is asserting oneself in the place of God and deciding for God who should be a pastor and who should not.

    Hence the move to now have transgendered pastors as well. I suppose if I am against that I'm being legalistic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathan3 View Post
    Both Men and 'Women'. Which this has to do with the end generation. that both men and women shall teach and prophesy , by the Holy Spirit speaking through them, when the when they are delivered up before the false messiah. Women shall teach; it will be the Holy Spirit teaching through them...

    You asked me where that is written


    Acts Chapter 2, Peter quoting Joel said

    16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

    17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

    18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:


    11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Spirit. <--- right here. This is that, spoken by Joel the Prophet, that we were given an example of in Acts 2. The same will happen to men and women at that time anti-Christ stands in the holy place.

    Read also in Luke 21 and Matthew 24.
    Yes, this is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nautilus View Post
    and now its only married men apparently...this is great, Im really glad I attend a church thats not so terribly legalistic.
    And another thing that came to mind, legalism is adding to scripture, which is what the Pharisees were doing by expanding the law. Following Scripture is called obedience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude653 View Post
    1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
    1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
    Paul was adressing the churches of Corinth specificaly, because the churches were out of order
    All Scripture applies to all people for all time. I mean this is what the Bible says. There's nothing to really debate anymore aside from whether we believe the Bible or just believe parts of it. That's the real issue.

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    I don't see how many over look the fact ; that the person who said this, at one time persecuted Christians. If anyone knew what would happen to a Christian that was caught , Paul would know .His job was before, ' to destroy Christians everywhere. He consented to them killing Stephen.
    This and many others would still be fresh in Paul's mind when he said what he said about women in the church... Do you remember what Paul has in his pocket on the road to Damascus? He had a letter to destroy the church, to kill both men, and women.

    Paul was protecting the women the women. Simple.

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    I don't see how many over look the fact ; that the person who said this, at one time persecuted Christians. If anyone knew what would happen to a Christian that was caught , Paul would know .His job was before, ' to destroy Christians everywhere. He consented to them killing Stephen.
    This and many others would still be fresh in Paul's mind when he said what he said about women in the church... Do you remember what Paul has in his pocket on the road to Damascus? He had a letter to destroy the church, to kill both men, and women.

    Paul was protecting the women the women.....

    Imagine a women, that is more learned in God's word. And then a man, that is not learned. Who should teach in the church ? God used many women teachers. and many in the old testament too. If God, wanted women not to teach. he would have said so there for sure. But , you find the opposite of what is taught today. You read of many women that God used, as Judges, and teachers, and prophetess, as fighters even.

    It follows logical thinking that, some where alone the way, people are missing some vital teachings about what saith the Lord. and this creates what we have today. Women, not speaking in the church, thought. they might be even more learned. Odd.

    Hmm wounder if this plays into what God said in part in Amos chapter 8: 11 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathan3 View Post
    I don't see how many over look the fact ; that the person who said this, at one time persecuted Christians. If anyone knew what would happen to a Christian that was caught , Paul would know .His job was before, ' to destroy Christians everywhere. He consented to them killing Stephen.
    This and many others would still be fresh in Paul's mind when he said what he said about women in the church... Do you remember what Paul has in his pocket on the road to Damascus? He had a letter to destroy the church, to kill both men, and women.

    Paul was protecting the women the women.....
    But where does the Bible say this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by A-Omega View Post
    But where does the Bible say this?

    It's all written. Every one should check me out. Search the scriptures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathan3 View Post
    It's all written. Every one should check me out. Search the scriptures.
    I just don't see anything that says that Paul wrote certain parts of the Bible to protect women because of the situation at the time.

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    A preacher that speaks for the Glory of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah, young or old, rich or poor, male or female give glory to Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.


    You do not need to stand at the front of many in a building to do the work of our Father, each of us has a part to play my friends.

    Humble and Truthful seeking nothing in return with the knowledge that Salvation is our reward, something we deserved not, by Grace and Mercy given through Yahshua the Messiah to be forgiven for our sins against Yahvah God.

    Our Master exalted himself not, he is a people's person through and through, let us strive to be like he that showed us how.


    Peace and Blessings in the name of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
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    In an earlier post, it states Paul is speaking in the first person singular and expressing his own opinion about not "suffering" women to speak.

    There was a direct response to this, defending Paul's personal opinion, weakly arguing that David, in Psalms attributed to him, also spoke in the first person singular. This is true, however one must have the presence of mind to realize when David, which translates totally as Beloved, is sometimes referring to Jesus Christ, Yeshua, as the Beloved and King, and others referring to himself, with the Holy Spirit rightly dividing the difference for the believing reader.

    As per the reasoning, by men, of how the women should be, it is definitely something of a bygone time, and not only the women were obliged to follow such dictates or perhaps die, so the men too, in order to pacify and not offend, adhered to this archaic way.

    Now, if all of this thinking does hold true, why not simply not allow women to speak in public, walk several paces behind the husband, and be kept behind screens in the assembly?
    Why not go back to the traditions of man from the days of Paul, taking a lesson from Islam.

    Those of you who honestly believe a Holy Spirit filled woman cannot speak in the assembly are believing without compassion or mercy, and I am certain with little scrutiny it will be discovered there is none in the hearts of the same for anyone. It seems also that now laws, the laws they have invented, are their master. Mercy and compassion are of Jesus Christ, Yeshua, and punitive laws, because of the Blood of the Lamb, allow for mercy always.


    Now, PLEASE, pay attention to the Word and believe it, for it is inspired by God, Yahweh.

    Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
    Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
    Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nathan3 View Post
    Both Men and 'Women'. Which this has to do with the end generation. that both men and women shall teach and prophesy , by the Holy Spirit speaking through them, when the when they are delivered up before the false messiah. Women shall teach; it will be the Holy Spirit teaching through them...

    You asked me where that is written


    Acts Chapter 2, Peter quoting Joel said

    16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

    17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

    18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

    19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

    20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

    21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.



    Joel 2: God speaking :

    28And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

    29And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

    30And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

    31The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

    32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.





    You can read in detail of this very important time in mark 13: 8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.

    9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

    10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

    11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Spirit. <--- right here. This is that, spoken by Joel the Prophet, that we were given an example of in Acts 2. The same will happen to men and women at that time anti-Christ stands in the holy place.

    Read also in Luke 21 and Matthew 24.
    Quote Originally Posted by A-Omega View Post
    Apparently??

    "This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;" - 1 Timothy 3

    I don't know why some are acting like i am just making these things up. It's in Scripture. If you reject Scripture in certain areas, then just say so.


    Believe me, I am well aware that the majority of the American church does not agree with the Bible on this. They just reject it. That is their choice but I think that is sinful rebellion because it is asserting oneself in the place of God and deciding for God who should be a pastor and who should not.

    Hence the move to now have transgendered pastors as well. I suppose if I am against that I'm being legalistic?
    Powerful, NATO, extremely powerful.

    Quote Originally Posted by A-Omega View Post
    And another thing that came to mind, legalism is adding to scripture, which is what the Pharisees were doing by expanding the law. Following Scripture is called obedience.

    Misinterpreting scripture is simply called ignorance. The Lord leads, but in no way, shape, or, form a unmarried person can't be called by God to PREACH . Just like a woman can be called to PREACH and HAS been called as dude pointed our Philipians 2 verses, as Nathan aptly, Truthfully pointed out ALL called to SPEAK OUT in end times, so, Paula White, Elizabeth Elliott, and Joyce Meyers are SPEAKING OUT.

    A-0, and, while I'm at it jimdig, and, close, and, kath,and YWH true, all you exude NAIVETY and can be thrown in this pot, with your ears, my Christ peeps LET the Word of God from Jaume, dude, SInk in

    Praise be to Almighty God, the One from the beginning, before 'it'even (John 1:1), whom knows all things and speaks lucidity into what seems mystery of the Word to His called elect that answered Him when He came calling, having drawn them in. All get drawn, but not all will answer the drawing and thus left out of the names in the lottery tickets gifted eternal life.

    Women can preach. Sure, agreed, man is over women in the household, a bishop is to have one wife IF married, but God CALLS all to different manifestation callings, to use the gifts He's wanting the gifted to use. And, male and female are given those gifts, especily now in these very decadent times we ALL now live in
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    Why do people ignore the verses I have highlighted below? These highlighted verses are still true to this day, so what Paul said still applies today.

    1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
    1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
    1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
    1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.


    Paul didn't say...

    1Ti 2:13 For our culture is not too fond of women preaching in the church.
    1Ti 2:14 I said this to protect them

    or

    1Ti 2:13 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.(1 Co 7:6)
    1Ti 2:14 What I am saying with this boastful confidence, I say not as the Lord would but as a fool.(2 Co 11:17)
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