Please stop hating on the Catholics!

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dscherck

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What some hear as false, I hear as unifying. These prayers were sung to God by Christians for well over 1000 years. When I chant the prayers of the Divine Liturgy I unite myself in worship of Our Lord God Jesus Christ along with fellow Christians who precede me for centuries.

There's something wonderful to chant the words:
Let our mouths be filled with Your praise, Lord, that we may sing of Your glory. You have made us worthy to partake of Your holy mysteries. Keep us in Your holiness, that all the day long we may meditate upon Your righteousness. Alleluia. Alleluia. Alleluia.
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Knowing that throughout the world, from the rising of the sun to it's setting, there are Christians united in chanting and worshiping God through the Divine Liturgy. When I chant together with my fellow believers I draw closer to the Lord. I forget about the day to day things and just focus on God. It's amazing and wonderful!
 
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Harley_Angel

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MahogonySnail said:
But all the songs chants and prayers are so rehearsed...and appear fake.
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I see where they can be fake sometimes, but also, they are rehearsed because we say them so often that they are permanently etched in our hearts. Whenever I feel down, or alone, or scared, I can say some of the stuff I remember from eucharist over and over again and Im calmed down. It's easier for me to remember since I hear it all the time, especially since I'm not very good at remembering all the quotes and stuff from the Bible.
 
MahogonySnail

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Well, you woudln't talk to your parents or spouse out of a book repeating the same things every time, so I don't see the need to treat the Heavenly Father in the same way.
Do we pray to the real and living God, or do we simply like to hear the sound of our own voice?
 
MahogonySnail

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I always think there is something not quite right about saying 'praise the Lord" without any expression and sombre tones. That's not praising the Lord, that's killing a cat.
When cliches and phrases roll of the tongue effortlessly and quicker than you can bat an eyelid (with chest-crossing and all), you know there isn't much 'heart' being put into it, much less time given to contemplate on the words actually said. But, we do like to follow the crowd don't we?
 
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I don't see Catholicism as a life/death salvation/non-salvation issue. But one of freedom in Christ. I would never say a Catholic is not saved unless it is plainly obvious in their beliefs/life etc.

Is saying OMG as bad as murder?

No. There's no life sentence for saying OMG. That would be silly. Neither is there with God.

Fairness is a principle of God's judgements. That means, the punishment fits the crime.
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Depends on what OMG stands for... now i personally use it to say.. Oral medicine gag
 
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now i will say this.... sometimes and VERY RARELY so please dont judge me anyone... i use it as Open my glue
 
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SamIam

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SAM I BE :)
 
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SamIam

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Sam i did...............
 
delboy

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coming from northern ireland i know well were hating on catholics (or vice versa) can end up
 
dscherck

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MahogonySnail said:
Well, you woudln't talk to your parents or spouse out of a book repeating the same things every time, so I don't see the need to treat the Heavenly Father in the same way.
Do we pray to the real and living God, or do we simply like to hear the sound of our own voice?
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Do the choirs of Angels singing "Holy Holy Holy Lord!" over and over again just like to hear their own voices?
Do the millions of Christians who repeat the Our Father just like to hear their own voices?

Do the children who run up to their mothers and fathers saying "I love you! I love you! I love you!" just like to hear their own voices or are they simply expressing their love?

While I'm sure that there are some who will just go through the motions as there are in any church, I think that the majority of them go to worship Our Lord by uniting themselves in prayer and praise. We don't have worship bands, we are the worship band! And even in the scriptures we see Our Blessed Lord Jesus praying the same prayer to God repeatedly in the Garden of Gethsemene (Matt. 26:44).

There's nothing wrong with using the same prayer repeatedly, it's when one stops being sincere and just does the motions that you have issues.
 
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carpetmanswife

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SamIam said:
now i will say this.... sometimes and VERY RARELY so please dont judge me anyone... i use it as Open my glue
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You are one crazy dude :rolleyes:
 
MahogonySnail

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I really don't think a lot of catholics are sincere in their faith they repeat the same things, use the same 'motions' every week, including the priest. Did God make us to be robots I don't know.
 
dscherck

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MahogonySnail said:
I really don't think a lot of catholics are sincere in their faith they repeat the same things, use the same 'motions' every week, including the priest. Did God make us to be robots I don't know.
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How do you know that not a lot of Catholics are sincere?
Have you been blessed with ability to read their minds and hearts?

We could easily say, "I really don't think Protestants are sincere in their faith since they just make up prayers willy nilly as they go along, are never consistent in their liturgy, and don't always read the Gospel at every service. Did God intend for worship of Him to be so chaotic I don't know."

But of course you'd think that's silly right?

The nice thing about following a liturgy and using a liturgical calendar is that you know throughout the world, Catholics are all hearing the same scriptures and gospel readings, and you can discuss these verses with any other Catholic you meet, even if they're not from the same parish, or even the same city! And when you visit another Catholic parish, even if it's in a foreign land, you can still have an idea of what's happening and participate because of the consistency. I could go to a Catholic liturgy in Vietnam and still have a good idea of what was going on even though I don't know the language.
 
MahogonySnail

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How do you know that not a lot of Catholics are sincere?
Have you been blessed with ability to read their minds and hearts?
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No, but I can observe faces and their tone. Sombre and expressionless praise the Lord's. In which case if they don't match up with what is in the heart and mind, it is pretense. As the saying goes, if you have joy in your heart, put a smile on your face. I'm sure they would show more joy and expression at a football match or otherwise. How seriously do they take the words they say?

The thing is you have an organisation which tells you how to pray, when to pray, what to pray, and when to sit, when to stand, and what to sing, and when to sing, etc. And it's not just catholic, it's a symptom of all similar structured churches. This is far from the dynamic fluidity of what the ecclesia should be.
 
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MahogonySnail said:
I don't see Catholicism as a life/death salvation/non-salvation issue. But one of freedom in Christ. I would never say a Catholic is not saved unless it is plainly obvious in their beliefs/life etc.

Is saying OMG as bad as murder?

No. There's no life sentence for saying OMG. That would be silly. Neither is there with God.

Fairness is a principle of God's judgements. That means, the punishment fits the crime.
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excuse me! did I just see snail say that saying OMG= ole my god is not breaking the law of God,
that is taking the Lord's name in vain just as calling on God but there is no meaning to it. it is just a saying just as some say "Jesus" soit being just a saying that makes it vain...


Ex 20:7Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.


and is listed within the ten commandments just as murder!!!

Ex 20:13Thou shalt not kill.

sin is sin
Ro 6:23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
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I became a Christian 19 years ago. Before that, I was Catholic. Raised from birth catholic. I can probably go into a catholic church today and recite the whole mass. I praise God I was able to get out of the catholic church and see the Truth. I am not saying that if you are catholic you cannot be a christian. I know there are. I do not understand how you can be a christian and still attend the catholic church. It is very hard to come out of that. I still struggle with it at times. But I know my only hope is in Jesus Christ. Not Mary or any of the saints. Only God knows our hearts, no matter what denomination we are. We must remember that there are probably people who attend other "christian" churches who are not christians. I am not judging anyone, just thought I would put my 2 cents in.
 
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