Golden Calf worship and the church today

[RedTent]

Jeroboam who was King of Israel after Solomon when the nation was split into Judah and Israel built worship centers in Israel so his people wouldn’t travel to the temple in Judah, in Jerusalem. He equipped these centers with a golden calf to represent the one true God, and told the people it was fine.

Then along came Jezebel who told the people they should respect other religions and built temples to Ba’al they could worship in if they wanted to.

King Jehu, the next king was told by God to get rid of the temples to Ba’al, and he did. He told the people to be religious and go to the golden calf that represented God. Oops! These temples were traditional, the old true way, the objectors were laughed at, scorned.

After the resurrection, within a short time religious people said that the resurrection wiped out those old Hebrews. The church leaders understood about how Greeks were, the Hebrews seemed strange to them. They created a church with many features that can be compared to the golden calf. It was God they were worshipping, they said. When they were pagans they went to church on Sunday (the day of the Sun God) so now they would worship the true God on that day. Wasn’t there a new God in Christ? They were not under the old covenant, there was a new one that replaced all the old.

Same for the feast days, they would use the celebrations they were used to and get rid of those Hebrew ones. They would substitute the true God for the pagan one so their celebrations would be approved by God. After all, Christ rose on Sunday. They had nothing in common with those strange Hebrews and their strange God.

Fast forward almost 2,000 years. This way is tradition. It is the accepted way as the true way to God.

 

[cenallen]

They were not under the old covenant, there was a new one that replaced all the old.

how many covenants are there in effect?
did a new covenant replace the old?

After the resurrection, within a short time religious people said that the resurrection wiped out those old Hebrews.

whatever are you talking about?

 

[cenallen]

and so we see it - the push for renewed 'LawKeeping' under a covenant which no longer exists, leading to complete apostasy until Judaism and Gnosticism are embraced and the Blood of the Covenant counted as an unholy thing.

Jesus is rarely mentioned by these intruders.

 

[ed12]

and so we see it - the push for renewed 'LawKeeping' under a covenant which no longer exists, leading to complete apostasy until Judaism and Gnosticism are embraced and the Blood of the Covenant counted as an unholy thing.

Jesus is rarely mentioned by these intruders.

Hi cenallen,
I can't see what seems to concern you in the OP. I only see a view where we should be assessing those things added and kept as "traditional" ie Sundays etc that are a mixing of pagan and Christ. Surely we can have a "faith" based Christianity based solely on Scripture
love in Jesus
ed12.

 

[greatblue]

It is the accepted way as the true way to God.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Consider this....Mark 2:22 and the parable of the wineskins goes right into the Sabbath controversy from the Pharisees. V.28 Jesus calls Himself Lord of the Sabbath. Since Christ is the new wine, the new wineskin becomes the Lord's day of Sunday. It is especially important because it again points to His work on the cross; He cleansed Sunday from whatever pagan attributes it had. As cenallen points out, to push a Saturday Sabbath is to discredit the cross and Christ's work on it. Of course, this usually only points to the reality that people observing Saturday and the Sabbath b/c of Moses' Law actually refuse to accept Jesus as God.

 

[cenallen]

Hi cenallen,
I can't see what seems to concern you in the OP. I only see a view where we should be assessing those things added and kept as "traditional" ie Sundays etc that are a mixing of pagan and Christ. Surely we can have a "faith" based Christianity based solely on Scripture
love in Jesus
ed12.

Saturday
This day was called dies Saturni, "Saturn's Day", by the ancient Romans in honor of Saturn. In Anglo-Saxon: sater daeg.

so? is your faith in the name or number of a day of the WEEK?
or in Jesus Christ crucified?

'traditional'?
if someone esteems one day over another, that's fine.
but that's not where this is headed. it never is.
they want to be under mosaic law.
that means all. everything written in the law.
it means what it says.


Deu 27:26 Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

can we not understand what this is saying?

 

[RedTent]

=greatblue; ]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Consider this....Mark 2:22 and the parable of the wineskins goes right into the Sabbath controversy from the Pharisees. V.28 Jesus calls Himself Lord of the Sabbath. Since Christ is the new wine, the new wineskin becomes the Lord's day of Sunday. It is especially important because it again points to His work on the cross; He cleansed Sunday from whatever pagan attributes it had. As cenallen points out, to push a Saturday Sabbath is to discredit the cross and Christ's work on it. Of course, this usually only points to the reality that people observing Saturday and the Sabbath b/c of Moses' Law actually refuse to accept Jesus as God.

Christ has always been the way since the beginning. What does that have to do with following God and not pagans?

I am not sure how new wineskins should lead us to changing what God says. The OT leads to Christ, the NT follows Christ. Rituals were training tools in the OT, the HS is a training tool in the new, but we are not to change any of scripture. We are human, scripture is of God. It is a unit.

 

[cenallen]

Rituals were training tools in the OT, the HS is a training tool in the new, but

??
the Holy Spirit is a "training tool"?

...so why are you pointing back to OT rituals? is the Holy Spirit pointing you back to shadows after the Substance has come?

 

[greatblue]

Christ has always been the way since the beginning. What does that have to do with following God and not pagans?

I am not sure how new wineskins should lead us to changing what God says. The OT leads to Christ, the NT follows Christ. Rituals were training tools in the OT, the HS is a training tool in the new, but we are not to change any of scripture. We are human, scripture is of God. It is a unit.

I posted John 14 because you had made a comment that a 2,000 year old tradition of Sunday has become "the true way to God". I'm not sure what you meant by that. I was simply showing scripture that Jesus is the true way to God, not Sunday.

As cenallen has stated, the very claim against 2,000 years of Christ-following worship completely nullifies the Holy Spirit's work. It discredits everything!

Read John 4. Consider what changes Jesus foreshadowed. Consider what "in Spirit and in Truth" means. What is a physical day in light of the cross?

 

[RedTent]

greatblue; I posted John 14 because you had made a comment that a 2,000 year old tradition of Sunday has become "the true way to God". I'm not sure what you meant by that. I was simply showing scripture that Jesus is the true way to God, not Sunday.

As cenallen has stated, the very claim against 2,000 years of Christ-following worship completely nullifies the Holy Spirit's work. It discredits everything!

Read John 4. Consider what changes Jesus foreshadowed. Consider what "in Spirit and in Truth" means. What is a physical day in light of the cross?

I didn't say that well at all when I said "way o God".

I don't see how using God's instructions about worship can possibly lead to a conclusion that it would discredit everything! It seems to me that Christianizing pagan ways is discrediting.

God has always wanted us to worship in spirit and truth. Even the rituals God gave to teach the literal minded Hebrews were to teach the spirit and truth through teaching actions. Again, what has that to do with following God’s instructions about worship. Are you saying if we think “worship” it is done in spirit and that is all of truth?