Book Of Enoch?

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Katy-follower

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I've always accepted 66 books in the bible as being the complete word of God. In fact, all these books are all that we need for salvation and instruction in righteousness. They are consistent, they flow together even when you consider the years between when they were written.

This is just curiosity as I'm content with the 66 books.

I noticed that in Jude 1:14, Enoch is referred to as having prophesied. There is reference to him here... "Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints" - so would this make the book of Enoch legitimate since they mention him in Jude and no doubt other books also? I haven't read this Enoch book.

What are your thoughts on it?
 
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Katy-follower said:
I've always accepted 66 books in the bible as being the complete word of God. In fact, all these books are all that we need for salvation and instruction in righteousness. They are consistent, they flow together even when you consider the years between when they were written.

This is just curiosity as I'm content with the 66 books.

I noticed that in Jude 1:14, Enoch is referred to as having prophesied. There is reference to him here... "Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints" - so would this make the book of Enoch legitimate since they mention him in Jude and no doubt other books also? I haven't read this Enoch book.

What are your thoughts on it?
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The text says he prophesied it does not say he wrote a book. The book of Enoch has 300 feet giants as well as other errors.
 
oldhermit

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What we have today that is called the "Book of Enoch" has nothing to do with anything inspired. All that Jude is telling us about Enoch in this verse is simply that he prophisyed. This does not mean that Enoch ever produced anything in the way of any kind of a written text. In fact, it would be more that a 1000 after years Enoch before any language was put down in written form. This was probably done by the Arkadians. It is possible that this may have been preserved through oral tradition, but this seems unlikely since this prophesy does not appear in any manuscripts of Jewish antiquity prior to the letter of Jude. Since we have no manuscript evidence that records anything Enoch ever said, (at least none of which I am aware) the only way Jude could have known that Enoch had given this prophesy would have been through revelation. The Holy Spirit had to have revealed it to him. Remember, the Holy Spirit, not Jude is responsible for the content of this letter.
 
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The Bible through the writings of Moses is the first book ever written. Also it was the first book ever printed.
 
RedTent

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I just read the first 50 pages of this book. Boring!! I think that the people who say they know certainly all about it are just guessing and I don’t think it matters. We have all the books that tell us the characteristics of God and all about Christ before cross and we have the books that tell us about Christ after the resurrection.

I love that we have scholars who are digging into everything the deep sea scrolls and archeology have turned up. They tell us a lot about the ancient Hebrew language, the culture of the times, many enlightening things. Bless them. But I’m not about to plow through the Book of Enoch.
 
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The modern "book of Enoch" is not from the Enoch of scripture.
 
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Laodicea said:
The text says he prophesied it does not say he wrote a book. The book of Enoch has 300 feet giants as well as other errors.
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*300* feet???

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Laodicea

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GRA said:
*300* feet???

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People 450-Feet Tall?
Are you really gullible enough to believe that fallen angels had physical intimacy with earthly women that produced offspring 450-feet tall? I don't think so! We read in chapter 7:12-15 of the Book of Enoch...
7:12 Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labor of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them;
7:13 When they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them;
7:14 And began to injure birds, beasts, reptiles, and fishes, to eat their flesh one after another, and to drink their blood.
7:15 Then the earth reproved the unrighteous.


The Book of Enoch EXPOSED!

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Laodicea said:
People 450-Feet Tall?
Are you really gullible enough to believe that fallen angels had physical intimacy with earthly women that produced offspring 450-feet tall? I don't think so! We read in chapter 7:12-15 of the Book of Enoch...
7:12 Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labor of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them;
7:13 When they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them;
7:14 And began to injure birds, beasts, reptiles, and fishes, to eat their flesh one after another, and to drink their blood.
7:15 Then the earth reproved the unrighteous.


The Book of Enoch EXPOSED!

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It would have been better if you had posted from verse 1... (i.e., 7:1-15)

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LawofLove

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Paul when he was trying to lead people to the bible quoted from poets of that age to find common ground so we today should find ways to meet people where they are. Just thought that was interesting :) and was kinda related. Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
 
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do not seek the book of encoh.

as Jesus wants us to seek him and read the bible instead
 
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Laodicea said:
The text says he prophesied it does not say he wrote a book.
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You seem to be trying to distance Jude's quotation of Enoch from the book which goes under Enoch's name. There is no support for the position that Jude was not quoting the same Book of Enoch which we have today. Please find a reputable textual scholar who agrees with you on this, there are none. In fact, if anyone wants, I can post at least seven places in Jude's letter where he refers to the Book of Enoch. Jude was a veritable Book of Enoch enthusiast, as it turns out.
Laodicea said:
The book of Enoch has 300 feet giants as well as other errors.
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This incorrect info comes from some translations which say the giants were "3,000 ells" tall. No one knows what an ell is so to say it is 300 feet is an assumption. But cutting to the chase, this verse has been corrected in modern translations to reflect the best textual evidence we now have. As it turns out, Enoch 7:2 says nothing about how tall the giants were.

Here is the Charles' translation, of 1894, of Enoch 7:2, "And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells."

Here is an example, typical of modern versions, (Nickelsburg/Vanderkam 2001), of Enoch 7:2, "And they conceived from them and bore to them great giants. And the giants begot Nephilim, and to the Nephilim were born Elioud- and they were growing in accordance with their greatness."
 
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Katy-follower said:
I've always accepted 66 books in the bible as being the complete word of God. In fact, all these books are all that we need for salvation and instruction in righteousness. They are consistent, they flow together even when you consider the years between when they were written.

This is just curiosity as I'm content with the 66 books.

I noticed that in Jude 1:14, Enoch is referred to as having prophesied. There is reference to him here... "Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints" - so would this make the book of Enoch legitimate since they mention him in Jude and no doubt other books also? I haven't read this Enoch book.

What are your thoughts on it?
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There are five different line-ups of books of the Old Testament in use within the Church Universal in our world today. The Book of Enoch is missing from YOUR O.T. but not everyone's. As far as anyone can determine, the Book of Enoch has had at partial acceptance among orthodox believers as far back as anyone can determine.
 
Mediate

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The bible was compiled by men, though.

Enoch was the man who literally walked with God. An ever faithful servant.

Enoch's where we look for closeness with God. Real affinity.

He was so good, so righteous, that God took him from the earth to be with Him in Heaven even though he had not died.

He will be the only person never to die.
 
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oldhermit said:
<snip>this prophesy does not appear in any manuscripts of Jewish antiquity prior to the letter of Jude.<snip>
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Jude quotes Enoch 1:9.

Enoch 1:9 has been recovered in Aramaic on a scroll parchment which has been carbon dated to the middle of the 3rd century B.C. Well before Jude was born, called or wrote anything.
 
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jimmydiggs said:
The modern "book of Enoch" is not from the Enoch of scripture.
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Since you cite no evidence, I take it you think we should just accept this claim on your authority alone. Sorry, as a rule I don't do that sort of thing.
 
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Actually 1 Enoch was originally written in Ethiopia, in Ethiopian.
 
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Laodicea said:
People 450-Feet Tall?
Are you really gullible enough to believe that fallen angels had physical intimacy with earthly women that produced offspring 450-feet tall? I don't think so! We read in chapter 7:12-15 of the Book of Enoch...

7:12 Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labor of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them;
7:13 When they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them;
7:14 And began to injure birds, beasts, reptiles, and fishes, to eat their flesh one after another, and to drink their blood.
7:15 Then the earth reproved the unrighteous.


The Book of Enoch EXPOSED!


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You are quoting Richard Lawrence's travesty of a translation. That translation fell into disrepute almost as soon as it was released in 1821. No text of Enoch says 300 cubits.
 
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