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Charismatic Bible teacher Kenneth Hagin Sr. is considered the father of the so-called prosperity gospel. The folksy, self-trained “Dad Hagin” started a grass-roots movement in Oklahoma that produced a Bible college and a crop of famous preachers including Kenneth Copeland, Jerry Savelle, Charles Capps, Jesse DuPlantis, Creflo Dollar and dozens of others—all of whom teach that Christians who give generously should expect financial rewards on this side of heaven.

Hagin taught that God was not glorified by poverty and that preachers do not have to be poor. But
before he died in 2003 and left his Rhema Bible Training Center in the hands of his son, Kenneth Hagin Jr., he summoned many of his colleagues to Tulsa to rebuke them for distorting his message. He was not happy that some of his followers were manipulating the Bible to support what he viewed as greed and selfish indulgence.

Those who were close to Hagin Sr. say he was passionate about correcting these abuses before he died. In fact, he wrote a brutally honest book to address his concerns. The Midas Touch was published in 2000, a year after the infamous Tulsa meeting.

Many Word-Faith ministers ignored the book.

article from CBN, 700 club acknowledging the recanting of Hagin himself and noting the convenient way it has been overlooked by those who are WOF


 

stonesoffire

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You missed Isaiah's point because you think Bible verses are to be taken out of context and claimed to be promises from God. So why didn't you pick this one to speak over your children?
“But you—come here, you witches’ children, you offspring of adulterers and prostitutes!
Isaiah 57:3 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/isa.57.3.NLT
Is that your source?
 

stonesoffire

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Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.


Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

only one way to do this. With your mouth. Or was this only to Peter?
 

stonesoffire

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Yes, the Bible is my source. So would you please answer my question?
If the scriptures were indeed your source, you would believe what Jesus said. His Word, His very being is in what He declares in both words, and actions. His Word is Spirit and life...

Your question is ridiculous and not worthy to be printed.
 

stonesoffire

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Numbers 22:38 And Balaam said unto Balak, Lo, I am come unto thee: have I now any power at all to say any thing? the word that God putteth in my mouth, that shall I speak.




 
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If the scriptures were indeed your source, you would believe what Jesus said. His Word, His very being is in what He declares in both words, and actions. His Word is Spirit and life...

Your question is ridiculous and not worthy to be printed.
My question is valid. Answer why chose that verse as a promise from God but not the one I picked for you which is only a few verses earlier in the same chapter? What is your criteria for deciding what verse is a promise from God for you and not other verses?
 
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Isaiah 57:19 I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the LORD; and I will heal him.
The fact is that Isaiah 57:19 is a prophecy about the nation of Israel being restored after they repent and return from captivity. You missed the whole point of what Isaiah was saying. It has nothing to do with speaking it over people so that magical things happen. That is the problem with WOF teachings. They twist the Bible message so its followers have no idea what the Bible message is.
 

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Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.


Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

only one way to do this. With your mouth. Or was this only to Peter?
My question is valid. Answer why chose that verse as a promise from God but not the one I picked for you which is only a few verses earlier in the same chapter? What is your criteria for deciding what verse is a promise from God for you and not other verses?
Holy Spirit. Do you hear His Voice? I answered you, now you answer me. Is Jesus your Lord?

And do you walk by the Word? Do you believe He promises things to His own? No answer? You will be ignored.
 

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The fact is that Isaiah 57:19 is a prophecy about the nation of Israel being restored after they repent and return from captivity. You missed the whole point of what Isaiah was saying. It has nothing to do with speaking it over people so that magical things happen. That is the problem with WOF teachings. They twist the Bible message so its followers have no idea what the Bible message is.
You will have to take that up with Holy Spirit.
 
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Holy Spirit. Do you hear His Voice? I answered you, now you answer me. Is Jesus your Lord?

And do you walk by the Word? Do you believe He promises things to His own? No answer? You will be ignored.
That's not the Holy Spirit's voice. He doesn't tell someone something contrary to what's actually written in His inspired Word.

I walk by the actual message of the Bible not by claiming promises where God hasn't made any.
 

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That's not the Holy Spirit's voice. He doesn't tell someone something contrary to what's actually written in His inspired Word.

I walk by the actual message of the Bible not by claiming promises where God hasn't made any.
You can walk any old way you want. :)
 
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“For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.”

II Timothy 4:3-4​
 

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2 pet 1:4 is referring to our moral character not that we are deified little gods.
I don't believe that we are little gods, and Kenneth Hagin didn't teach that. That was a Copeland thing. My point is that adoption isn't the only metaphor used for salvation. Reconciliation, justification, and redemption are also used. What is unique about salvation in the new covenant is that we have become new creatures. We are not just accepted as servants or adopted children. We have become new creatures by faith in Jesus and are born again with God's life and nature, and the Holy Spirit indwells the new creation to lead us into all truth. He wouldn't indwell us if we were still the old, rebellious beings that we were before. Do we possess God's divine attributes? No. Can we create ex nihiilo? No. But we are far more than sons by adoption. Hebrews 12:5-9 says

[FONT=&quot]5 And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]“My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord,
nor be weary when reproved by him.
6 For the Lord disciplines the one he loves,
and chastises every son whom he receives.”
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7 It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? 8 If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. 9 Besides this, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live?[FONT=&quot]

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"Father of spirits" means that we have God's nature in our spirit beings. That goes way beyond adoption. That's all I was saying.
 
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I don't believe that we are little gods, and Kenneth Hagin didn't teach that. That was a Copeland thing.
On the contrary. I'm looking at it in my copy right now: "In other words, Adam was the god of this world." He then goes on to explain we need to exercise our authority as a god. Hagin even says "We are Christ. We are seated at the right hand of the Majesty on High". These quotes come from my copy of The Believer's Authority by Kenneth E. Hagin.
 
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My point is that adoption isn't the only metaphor used for salvation. Reconciliation, justification, and redemption are also used. What is unique about salvation in the new covenant is that we have become new creatures. We are not just accepted as servants or adopted children. We have become new creatures by faith in Jesus and are born again with God's life and nature, and the Holy Spirit indwells the new creation to lead us into all truth. He wouldn't indwell us if we were still the old, rebellious beings that we were before. Do we possess God's divine attributes? No. Can we create ex nihiilo? No. But we are far more than sons by adoption. Hebrews 12:5-9 says

[FONT=&quot]5 And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]“My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord,
nor be weary when reproved by him.
6 For the Lord disciplines the one he loves,
and chastises every son whom he receives.”
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7 It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? 8 If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. 9 Besides this, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live?[FONT=&quot]

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"Father of spirits" means that we have God's nature in our spirit beings. That goes way beyond adoption. That's all I was saying.
That doesn't imply anything other than adoption. He is the Father of our spirits but that doesn't mean He had sex and fathered us.