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Good question. CARM provides an excellent section on this very question. I highly recommend you to read it as it's probably more informative than what anyone can explain without looking like they wrote a dissertation. 
Women in Ministry | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
Women in Ministry | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
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From what i remember of my study on this, in those days the women would sit on one side and the men would sit on the other, and if a woman didn't understand what paul was preaching she would shout a question to her husband, and that would disrupt the meeting, imagine today if you didn't understand something and shouted across a hall a question?? But speaking of ministry paul exhorted many women that were in ministry, such as timothy's mother and i believe his grandmother as well, he even said they could be deacons i believe, don't quote me, i could be wrong
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@brandon777
You should probably read more of the bible, it does not treat women as inferior, God took the rib from adams side for the woman to stand beside him, not his feet for her to be trampled on, we are a helpmate not a slave, and the bible exhorts many women, deborah, ruth, rahab, mary magdelene, and many others
You should probably read more of the bible, it does not treat women as inferior, God took the rib from adams side for the woman to stand beside him, not his feet for her to be trampled on, we are a helpmate not a slave, and the bible exhorts many women, deborah, ruth, rahab, mary magdelene, and many others
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"what makes this woman think she can speak among men!?" 300
to me Paul isn't really saying women should stfu at churches.
It means to me that if women wants to preach, they need permission.
If no man is a preacher at a church then a woman who is the leader does not need permission. (Because who then would preach the sermon!?)
women should just listen to the word.
And I would say Brandon777 is right and wrong.
first of all let us read that passage again.
It says it is SHAMEFUL for women to speak. But shame is also linked to dignity.
If Paul said it is a "sin" then we need to take it seriously. But it is not a sin, just a shame.
If women want to know something that was discussed at the church/sermon, they need to ask their husband.
BUT here is a question....what if the woman is not married?
exactly...so this should not be taken hardly, it only depends on the situation.
I believe it depends on the situation.
It was women's fault that we are in this mess of sin because Eve told Adam to also eat from the fruit.
So we don't want to hear women's preaching at churches...who knows they may treat us to worship devil
but i joke i joke.
Women should only speak depending on the situation, if big boys are speaking they should be quiet. If a male pastor is speaking, they should be quiet.
However they need permission if they want to preach something.
to me Paul isn't really saying women should stfu at churches.
It means to me that if women wants to preach, they need permission.
If no man is a preacher at a church then a woman who is the leader does not need permission. (Because who then would preach the sermon!?)
women should just listen to the word.
And I would say Brandon777 is right and wrong.
first of all let us read that passage again.
It says it is SHAMEFUL for women to speak. But shame is also linked to dignity.
If Paul said it is a "sin" then we need to take it seriously. But it is not a sin, just a shame.
If women want to know something that was discussed at the church/sermon, they need to ask their husband.
BUT here is a question....what if the woman is not married?
exactly...so this should not be taken hardly, it only depends on the situation.
I believe it depends on the situation.
It was women's fault that we are in this mess of sin because Eve told Adam to also eat from the fruit.
So we don't want to hear women's preaching at churches...who knows they may treat us to worship devil
but i joke i joke.
Women should only speak depending on the situation, if big boys are speaking they should be quiet. If a male pastor is speaking, they should be quiet.
However they need permission if they want to preach something.
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If you read genesis correctly you will see that when eve was being deceived adam was with her, he knew what was happening and he didn't speak up, why do you think the bible calls it the fall of MAN, had adam taken his place as a man this wouldn't have happened, take responsibility and quit blaming the woman, you wouldn't be here without one, and paul was talking about the disruption that was taking place, not that women should never speak, and we do not need to ask your permissions!!! Look at deborah, she listened to God, and because a man wasn't able to do a job a woman took his place judges 4:4-10
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What comes to mind is that our God is always and forever the same. When the Bible was written I am pretty sure God could see today back then because where he is time doesn't exist so I think that his word and what he says about this in the Bible is the answer and His law forever. So if God says a woman should not be a preacher and that it is a job for a man only then that is just the way it should be. God can use his Daughters to work for the glory of His Kingdom in so many other ways and does. I see it in so many women on here. Testimonies are really all you need to shout out to the world about Jesus and that is bringing glory to His Kingdom. The answer is always in the Bible.
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yes but we men were just minding our own business and tasting all the nice looking fruits until Eve nagged at Adam to eat the fruit.
When woman nags...men falls:/
and how does Paul talk about disruption? thaat is your assumption and opinion.
Yes but was Deborah in a church?
Paul was talking about women at churches, and it is in New Testament. New Testament is the new covenant, are you living in the past (old testament) or modern (new testament)?
women need to ask permission now at churches...lol.
For an example at church- woman may ask "do you want to eat this fruit apple?"
then we may decide if it's a trick or not
but seriously. Paul's word were strict. Women should not preach or talk during Church. If they want to know something about the sermon, they should ask someone.
When woman nags...men falls:/
and how does Paul talk about disruption? thaat is your assumption and opinion.
Yes but was Deborah in a church?
Paul was talking about women at churches, and it is in New Testament. New Testament is the new covenant, are you living in the past (old testament) or modern (new testament)?
women need to ask permission now at churches...lol.
For an example at church- woman may ask "do you want to eat this fruit apple?"
then we may decide if it's a trick or not
but seriously. Paul's word were strict. Women should not preach or talk during Church. If they want to know something about the sermon, they should ask someone.
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Women can speak in church, well said, care, about 'fall of man,' which IS gender specific.
And, to the person that said, women are not to teach or have authority over a man. Look at it this way, perhaps, the Lord leads, but, yes:
What does word 'authority' mean as spoken by Paul in first century Greece?
The word for 'authority' Paul used was a word used this ONCE time in 1 Timothy 2:12.
The word? Authenteo.
So, verse 12, it's meaning in the context of the next said verse 13, 'Adam was formed first, then Eve' is order speaking of by Paul. And, authenteo means what, green? Originator. Or, as texted correctly 'origination' for verse 12.
So, and, sorry not on thread but someone else-not me- brought up this oppressive theme if miladies, and, by God, I will not let this happen, I will let Him happen in me , this I always hope and pray, and, NOW, I will offer Greek translation to verse 12....
1 Tim. 2:12 - ”I suffer not a woman to teach (origination) or have (origination) over a man.”
Remember, the very next verse keeps Paul's admonition to women in perfect context, 'Adzm was formed first, THEN Eve.'
There is still another authoritative argument I can make as I have in my 'Are All.Women False Teachers?' thread, and, the Lord leads, but, to me, it's obvious that a women telling a man about Christ is not having authority over him. But, this is not what context 2:12 is saying so no need to mention it, unless you want to , and,.then I'm more than happy to Spiritedly oblige
So, can women use a.gift of the Holy Spirit to teach (and preach) to men? Why not?
The Word of 2:12, taken in right 'Greek' context, is clear they can even 'authority' real meaning of dominion or rule is not what women do to.a man when telling them about Goc
And, to the person that said, women are not to teach or have authority over a man. Look at it this way, perhaps, the Lord leads, but, yes:
What does word 'authority' mean as spoken by Paul in first century Greece?
The word for 'authority' Paul used was a word used this ONCE time in 1 Timothy 2:12.
The word? Authenteo.
So, verse 12, it's meaning in the context of the next said verse 13, 'Adam was formed first, then Eve' is order speaking of by Paul. And, authenteo means what, green? Originator. Or, as texted correctly 'origination' for verse 12.
So, and, sorry not on thread but someone else-not me- brought up this oppressive theme if miladies, and, by God, I will not let this happen, I will let Him happen in me , this I always hope and pray, and, NOW, I will offer Greek translation to verse 12....
1 Tim. 2:12 - ”I suffer not a woman to teach (origination) or have (origination) over a man.”
Remember, the very next verse keeps Paul's admonition to women in perfect context, 'Adzm was formed first, THEN Eve.'
There is still another authoritative argument I can make as I have in my 'Are All.Women False Teachers?' thread, and, the Lord leads, but, to me, it's obvious that a women telling a man about Christ is not having authority over him. But, this is not what context 2:12 is saying so no need to mention it, unless you want to , and,.then I'm more than happy to Spiritedly oblige
So, can women use a.gift of the Holy Spirit to teach (and preach) to men? Why not?
The Word of 2:12, taken in right 'Greek' context, is clear they can
even 'authority' real meaning of dominion or rule is not what women do to.a man when telling them about Goc
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But paul in 1 Cor 11:s says " And every women who prays or prophecies...." So women did minister in congregations in paul's time. And Galatians 3:28 says" There is neither Jew nor greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus".
And i don't think we should take the word literally, i mean there are many we do take literally. But in many others we need to know the context and the time it was written. I mean in Mt 5: 27- It says to gouge out your eyes if they cause you to sin- but it's not talking about self-mutilation but rather that we should drastically deal with sin.
what do you think?
And i don't think we should take the word literally, i mean there are many we do take literally. But in many others we need to know the context and the time it was written. I mean in Mt 5: 27- It says to gouge out your eyes if they cause you to sin- but it's not talking about self-mutilation but rather that we should drastically deal with sin.
what do you think?
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Sweetie what Jesus was saying is obviously metaphorical, but Paul was speaking literally and giving commands that were to be taking literally, and Galatians 3:28 does not negate gender roles.
I have no problem with women praying and so forth in church, but I feel its inappropriate for them to be pastors.
I have no problem with women praying and so forth in church, but I feel its inappropriate for them to be pastors.