Who is Babylon the Great Harlot?
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no, the vatican won't be doing the killing.
i think she'll be 'sacrificed' - she's an actress playing a part. i agree with you the Catholic people are not involved, and many are saved, i believe.
sure. i'll post the passages in question which pp alone (on its own without some spiritual furture applications that i do see) struggles with.
the labels are awful as they are entirely inadequate to express our understanding, but code is better than nothing.
ex: my default is pp, amil, yet with an unfolding global fulfillment of all the earlier prophecies.
i agree wholeheartedly with the actual fulfillments in c 1 and c 70.
but scripture addresses it all.
did you mean to say in an earlier post that Rev 20 is all future? i'm certain i misunderstood.
i know you're busy, no problem.
we're headed home today, so will be travelling and settling in again at home.
don't know when i'll be back.
look forward to reading more.
cenallen
i think she'll be 'sacrificed' - she's an actress playing a part. i agree with you the Catholic people are not involved, and many are saved, i believe.
sure. i'll post the passages in question which pp alone (on its own without some spiritual furture applications that i do see) struggles with.
the labels are awful as they are entirely inadequate to express our understanding, but code is better than nothing.
ex: my default is pp, amil, yet with an unfolding global fulfillment of all the earlier prophecies.
i agree wholeheartedly with the actual fulfillments in c 1 and c 70.
but scripture addresses it all.
did you mean to say in an earlier post that Rev 20 is all future? i'm certain i misunderstood.
i know you're busy, no problem.
we're headed home today, so will be travelling and settling in again at home.
don't know when i'll be back.
look forward to reading more.
cenallen
narrow it down,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,in Russia,,,,there is a place where the whole earth trades all its goods,,"OK your right nope",,,,,,,,,,OK the whole earth trades its goods in Rome!!!!,,,,,OK you win "nope again",,,,,,,,OK Germany,,,,,they buy sell and trade all the things in the world in 2012!!!!,,,,,,OK maybe not,,,,,,,,lets blame it on Peru,,,,,,,no,,,,,,Brazil?,,,,,,,,,wow seems like we would find some scriptures to support it,,,,,,,like Jeremiah 51;1-21,,,,,,some kind of strangers (from another religion),,,,,,,,,,,(another nation),,,fanners,,,,,,,,a false religion they will go up to the ,,,,,,,,,,place,,,where the whole earth decided to trade all of the goods,,,,the things,,,,the stuff you covet,,,,and call it not just the place were you trade "some of your stuff",,,,,,,,but the place where the whole earth trades "all of it's stuff",,,,,,,,,,,wow can you imagine a place where all of the countries from the beginning of the worlds history till now come together and say this is where we will trade all of the earths things that were invented,,,and we will call it the,,,,,,,"world trade centers",,,,,,,,but you would recognize this if all the worlds air traffic was closed coming into Babylon(wouldn't you?),,,,,,,,,,,and if all of the ports were closed at the same time,,as the scripture said,,,,all the captains stood afar off and watched the smoke ascend up,,,,,,,,,and you would have snapped to it right off if that place went up in smoke right in front of your eyes,,,,,,,but then there's the problem,,,,,,,,,you see god told you pillars,,,,more than one,,,,of smoke would ascend up,,,,,,,and that they would be brought down in one hour,,,,,,centers,,,,,,,,,,not center,,,,,,,,,,towers not tower,,,,,,you would see the "pillars of smoke",,,,,,,,,,,not pillar,,,,,,,,,,,,oh Babylon you stand in front of the mirror putting on your own make up till you cannot see your own self,,,,,,,,,
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Revelation 11:8
King James Version (KJV)
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city , which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Revelation 14:8
King James Version (KJV)
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city , because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
i could get more inferences, not sure i understood question tho
Referring to the garb of the priests of Israel:
Exodus 28:5-6
5 “They shall take the gold, blue, purple, and scarlet thread, and the fine linen, 6 and they shall make the ephod of gold, blue, purple, and scarlet thread, and fine woven linen, artistically worked.
Don't forget there were golden cups in the Holy Temple of Jerusalem too.
Leviticus 26:18
18 ‘And after all this, if you do not obey Me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins
*When did this happen?
21 ‘Then, if you walk contrary to Me, and are not willing to obey Me, I will bring on you seven times more plagues, according to your sins.
*When did this happen?
24 then I also will walk contrary to you, and I will punish you yet seven times for your sins.
*When did this happen?
28 then I also will walk contrary to you in fury;
and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
*When did this happen?
Is this 21st + century prophecy too?
I guess it's just a coincidence that Revelations has 7 seals, 7 bowl judgments and 7 trumpets
Well, at this point in world history, the only country forcing others to drink of her whoredom, is the USA. I am not anti-American and I sincerely hope that this is not true from the standpoint that a future country or religion will force other countries to drink of her sin far more than America has been doing for the past several decades.
In my travels it is interesting to see the decline of culture brought about by the presence of US servicemen and Hollywood's trash that is being gobbled up everywhere. It is rather sickening to realize that just by being an American I am automatically linked to what is observed by foreign nationals as the destruction of their cultures. Yeah, I have had some real interesting talks with older people all over the world.....
And more reason to reach as many for Jesus as is possible, in hopes of turning this morality challenged freight train around.
In my travels it is interesting to see the decline of culture brought about by the presence of US servicemen and Hollywood's trash that is being gobbled up everywhere. It is rather sickening to realize that just by being an American I am automatically linked to what is observed by foreign nationals as the destruction of their cultures. Yeah, I have had some real interesting talks with older people all over the world.....
And more reason to reach as many for Jesus as is possible, in hopes of turning this morality challenged freight train around.
Israel will accept this 'man of sin' as their Messiah, as they don't believe Jesus was the Messiah.
The Jewish nation will go through the awful tribulation and a large number of them will be saved as they come to accept the truth (their hearts are temporarily hardened until fullness of Gentiles has come in).
God mourns for Israel.
Rev 18:20: "Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you holy apostles and prophets, for God has avenged you on her!” - she will be destroyed completely and there will be rejoicing in Heaven. This definitely cannot be Israel. Why would the Heavens rejoice at Israel being destroyed?
Israel will be restored and many Jews saved during the tribulation. God hasn't turned His back on the Jews, but the enemy will continue to go after Israel.
The Jewish nation will go through the awful tribulation and a large number of them will be saved as they come to accept the truth (their hearts are temporarily hardened until fullness of Gentiles has come in).
God mourns for Israel.
Rev 18:20: "Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you holy apostles and prophets, for God has avenged you on her!” - she will be destroyed completely and there will be rejoicing in Heaven. This definitely cannot be Israel. Why would the Heavens rejoice at Israel being destroyed?
Israel will be restored and many Jews saved during the tribulation. God hasn't turned His back on the Jews, but the enemy will continue to go after Israel.
Not ONE person said America was Mystery Babylon...the bible said this beast once was, now is and yet to come. America is clearly Egypt but spiritual as the bible said it would be, it mimics Egypt almost to a perfect exact. If you have any doubt just look at your dollar bill. It said the woman America sat on a beast with 7 heads and ten horns, America sits upon ALL the other nations are supreme. The bible said their names were blasphemous meaning their gods were of Satan and even blasphemous. Notice what revelations 17:16 says "The beast and the ten horns you saw will HATE the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and BURN her with fire." Not trying to scare people but during WW3 many of the nations will turn against America for its evil, this is what the bible speaks. This will most likely happen at WW3 when the nuclear bombs are used.
I believe America is the beast of the earth mentioned in Revelations, not the whore that revived the Babylonian Pagan mystery religion. Mystery Babylon is the mystery religion. The woman (whore) represents the Roman church that is unholy... a counterfeit of the true church. The Roman church is Babylonian.
Something I noticed VERY striking about the statue of liberty is that her crown contains SEVEN protrusions and the base SHE stands on has TEN points. Revelations 17:7" Then the angel said to me: “Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the SEVEN heads and TEN horns." Notice how to statue of liberty's flame can also be taken as a cup. America is clearly Babylon the Great. Maybe most of you are ashamed to say it because you all live in America but the truth is the truth.
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A woman in Bible prophecy is a church. The woman in Revelation 12 is God's true church while the woman in Revelation 17 is a corrupt church and the wine is false doctrine.
Ephesians 5:23-25
(23) For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
(24) Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
(25) Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Revelation 2:9
(9) I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Ephesians 5:23-25
(23) For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
(24) Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
(25) Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Revelation 2:9
(9) I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
This thread is Babylon in action -- confusion all over ...
I agree in general and most closely with Katy-follower's posted positions in this thread. But that too is confused - because it is a confusing subject. The system is mixed and so gets mixed up, just as a little leaven leaveneth the whole loaf.
There are Jews in the Catholic church, prominent Jews (I mean as an ethnicity). That does not mean Jerusalem is the Beast. There are Catholics in America, prominent Catholics. Does that make America the beast - no, America is just a representative or worker or 'right hand' of the Beast. The beast is still Rome, it's just that Rome has a huge outpost all over the world, including America. I last counted 28 Jesuit Colleges/Universities and last noted that the US Catholic Conference of Bishops claims a majority of the US Supreme Court, 5 out of the nine, including the Chief Judge. They all report to the commanding general, the CEO of the Roman Empire in Rome.
The Catholic church at the lay level is a social and economic club, with all sorts of members. In some congregations the church is run (at a working level) by the Local Unions, the Bowling team or the Cheerleaders, in others it may be lawyers and doctors. That only adds to the confusion. The religion is confusing and drifts because it has a base in truth in claiming Jesus and some of it's doctrines are sound, but then adds worldliness, worships sports and materialism and calls it 'blessings' and all sorts of demons creep in. Most of the people don't read or even own a Bible and rely on Sunday-go-to-church, then go home and do as you please all week for salvation - all sorts of demons creep in.
Summary: Cut through the confusion by stepping back to get perspective and see the mixing or integration that is occurring which muddies the waters. From a larger perspective the roots go back to Rome and the Bible and of course Jerusalem, which at the time of Jesus was under Roman control and as Katy has depicted, appears headed that way again. Ditto that America under the Jesuits and Supreme Court and the remaining 'right hand' workers of that Beast.