Why did God choose to create us as sexual beings?

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Closemyeyes2cU

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Actually I am not"blaming" God - I am honestly wrestling with one aspect of the problem of evil.This is a forum where we bring issues to the fore to discuss and find answers - if people aren't honest about their views, things tend to get a bit sanctimonious.
I hear you...not saying you were blaming God, only that it almost seemed like it.

One of the first characteristics displayed in our fallen nature right after the fall in the garden was to blame others for our mistakes. A lot of people like to blame God for everything.

Gen 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
Gen 3:12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
Gen 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
 

clarkthompson

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sex was made by God himself he made for a man and his wife to enjoy togehter now it is the most abused gift from God it is only good between a married man and his bride every other way than this is not good but the way the LORD meant it is very good
 
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the subjugation of women in a marriage/church context
It is temporary and misunderstood, until we overcome sin through Y'Shua, and are able to enter paradise in peace.
The man must learn by seeking the concept of YHWH's true means of authority.
The woman must learn by seeking the concept of mankind being His most prized soul-mate.
Now as to why you are your particular gender instead of the other, I would ask the Father Himself.

Gods foreknowledge there would be so many victims of sexual crime
We MUST see and EXPERIENCE the magnitude of evil, in order to reject it.
We MUST learn likewise to forgive, because we cannot love them afterward if we do not.
Shows you how bad we the human race are not listening, and how patient He will be for our repentance before He steps in again and says "Enough!"
The things that mankind does do not usually reflect the Father.
So
When you hear about a man beating his wife because she did not conform to his idea, that's not the Father.
When you hear about a righteous man being patient and dealing carefully with his wife, that's the Father.
When you hear about a woman who prostitutes herself for gain, that's not the intended bride.
When you hear about a virgin who does not let unclean things into her, that's spiritually the intended bride.
Guilt comes as a result of intent, never from innocent victimization.

All of the genders and roles we execute are physical mirrors of the spiritual, whether good or bad.
Sometimes Y'Shua petitions the bride, sometimes the bride petitions Y'Shua.
Sometimes the husband petitions the wife, sometimes the wife petitions the husband.
How the petitions are made manifest depends on how they compare with YHWH's Set Apart Spirit.

Hope that helps?
 
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White82

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Would this be correct to summarize your question as: why do God create sexuality which He knows these will lead to all those suffering and crime?

My thoughts are, when God created Adam and Eve, we are perfect. God created us as without sin, it's Adam and Eve that brought the sinful nature to us. It's our sinful nature that bring all those crime and suffereing (such as raping, etc).

Just my thought. :)
 
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White82

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Also, God uses suffering/crime as a tool to build our characters. So God might want us to go through suffering sometimes.

In addition to those sex related crime/suffering, there are other forms of suffering as well, such as people in North Korea who are suffering under Kim's dictatorship and torture. There are people starving, dying because of hunger. But God uses these suffering/crime as tools as well. When we suffer, we understand the importance of full reliance on Godand trusting God. God uses suffering for our own good.
 
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AgapeSpiritEyes

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Everything created by our Father God through our Lord Jesus Logos would necessitate a choice of good , which is all of God and evil choosing any or all other than God, God makes and creates all things from Himself His essence and with it all the infinite created levels and aspects of Himself. Angels have different levels of strength and capacities so from written text of scripture God desired to create perfectly us in His image and in doing so choices to know good and evil (Genesis 1) God was prepared to solve the problem of man if and when he sinned or transgressed the law "to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil," We are now in the next process of His test of our own choices not only collectively as a world society but also evidently personally and individually. God's has revealed His plan and has succeeded through Jesus to purge sin eradicate it from this heaven our universe and to again place us back onto His eternal plan to have a universe restored with man redeemed to a perfect heaven universe where He will be All: effusing, present, dwelling and shining in all having no sin, solving the possibility of sin that separated us from Him with the same victory over sin, a deterrent for angels and mankind, it will be mankind populating the planets in the universe giving resounding praise to Jesus and the Father with praise and worship and love for Him and He for us, for without us who overcome sin by our experience of our faith in Jesus' work sin would continue as a choice, but our witness and the open places of hell see by mankind in the millennium ( Isaiah) and our ambassadorship as redeemed will be an eternal deterrent for sin forever.
 
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Jullianna

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The way it was designed to be - precious, loving one another as their own bodies:


Genesis 2:
But for Adam no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
23 The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;

she shall be called ‘woman,’
for she was taken out of man.”


24 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.

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Mark 10: 5 “It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law,” Jesus replied. 6 “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’ 7 ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,8 and the two will become one flesh.’So they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

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Ephesians 5: 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

Ephesians 5 1Follow God’s example, therefore, as dearly loved children 2 and walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
3But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.
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Why the order of things is as it is - as an example of heavenly things:

Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

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Ephesians 5:26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.


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Ephesians 5: just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body.


As others have stated, if women prefer to submit only to Christ and men/women prefer to be celibate, they are not scripturally required to marry, although it is encouraged in some situations, such as young widows (in the writings of Paul to Timothy).

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What man's sin did with God's precious gift:


Genesis 6:5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.

Matthew 15:19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.

Romans 1:28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.

Genesis 19:
19 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.”
“No,” they answered, “we will spend the night in the square.”
3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”
6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing.

Men are less likely to come forward and report these evils committed against them than women, but they happen more often than most people know.
 
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JoenEriksen

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The woman was "taken of the side of Adam" when the "deep sleep" fell upon him. This of cause differs from all other beings created on the 6th day.
All other kinds of beings were created male and female of the dust, but Adam was created alone of the dust, on the 6th day.
The woman came into existance on the 7th day through the death and the resurrection of the 1st Adam, as it also happened to the wife (church) of Christ. Male and female was perfected, finished, on the 7th day. The woman did not exist on the 6th day. The woman was taken out of the side of Adam, when he slept AWAY from the 6th day. She became alive through his obedience to death. God FINISHED the creation on the 7th day by the resurrection of Adam and his wife on the 7th day in Gen.2:2. It is allowed to do well on the sabbath. It is allowed to GIVE LIFE.
Yet another important thing to understand, is the fact that God indeed DID deny sex between this last, and therefore also greatest creature, the God image: Do not eat of the tree of knowledge... Eve being the tree of knowledge, being known, sexual, (by the evil serpent) was the cause of evil kind of beings to come forth out of her. And now her name became Eve...Mother of ALL living.
Adam (Gods image) knowing his wife, was the reason for the good kind of children, God sons, to be born of her. Eve, the mother of ALL living, good and evil living. Cain is the 1st son of perdition, son of the serpent who perished. Eve is the tree of knowledge being known brought forth good and evil.
Gods way for mankind in the beginning, was for mankind to speak the word and multiply. That is the perfect God image. But God, in his foreknowledge, breaking a bone in the first God image, foretelling what is going to happen. (Sin is about to happen) No bones shall be broken in HIM, (Jesus), the last Adam, The perfect God in flesh.
Also Adam knew and foretold what was about to happen when he named the beasts. Naming the serpent a serpent, even before it was condemned to its belly, eating dust, proves Adam´s foreknowledge of what is about to happen.
Therefore we have evil nature in our flesh. All because of this evil wild beast, named serpent by Adam, mingled into mankinds first mother, in the beginning.
Today God Sons are SPOKEN into existance, Born of God. Born in the church (wife) of Christ, giving birth to God Sons, because of a love relationship between God and his Church. Born of Spirit.
The woman does fit the profile of being the tree of knowledge in every single way of her being. The woman is good for food in the sexual way of speaking, and she is pleasant to the eyes, and she is to be desired to make one wise, by the knowledge of knowing her, sexual.
After the knowledge began, knowledge became their only WAY to salvation, (Not ALSO eat of the tree of Life but keep on with the knowledge way) their way to the tree of life, Jesus Christ, born of the woman is now through knowledge. She is to be saved in CHILDBEARING, being "faithfull" to the God sons and never again mingle with the enimy, the seed of the serpent. But that mingling happened way to often later on in history. But those staying faithfull became the generation of Christ, their savior.
The woman shall be with child and that child shall save her.
She gave birth to the Savior Jesus Christ, but even without the sexual knowledge involved. Gods word came to the woman. That was the foretold SEED OF THE WOMAN, Gen.3:15 Jesus Christ.
By saying this I would like to end with this word from Jesus: In the beginning IT WAS NOT SO. Matthew 19:8 One of the things that was not so, in the beginning is: Man and woman were created to be nonsexual beings, living in Gods rest on the 7th day, Adam speaking children into existance in his helpmade, the God woman, not called Eve but Adam female.
The other thing that was not so in the beginning, is the love of a soft heart: Even thou blame was found with the woman, Adam did not demand a letter of separation. According to Jesus in Matthew 19:8 Adam was soft of heart even blame was found with the woman. The children of Israel at the time of Moses were hardened of heart according to Matthew 19:8. Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives. The children of God has mingled themselves with the evil hearted serpent seed, serpent generation, found in Cain, and also later on in Ham, the son of Noah. At the days of Moses, they are no more unmingled. At the days of Jesus they are called serpents and brood of vipers... Matthew 23:33
As also Jesus spoke against the sin of the days of Noah and of his own days: They took in marriage and they gave in marriage. That was not allowed. That was their sin. The sin of taking a gentile woman to their wife or give their daughters away to the enimy the gentile man.
 
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LaurenTM

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lotta speculation in that thar post in this here zombie thread

why?
 
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I am looking for answers here.Preferably intelligent ones.
It seems that human sexuality has caused alot of trouble throughout time.Think of sexual predators, sexual harrassment, child molestors,damaging divorces and all other kinds of unwanted attention( I speak as a female here.)
I mean, if human reproduction was important, couldn't we have done it some other way?Like plant seeds in a field the same way we plant and harvest potatos?
Now women are stuck with the job of giving birth and being treated as second class citizens if they don't absolutely LOVE children and want to submit to a husband for the rest of their earthly lives.
Whats more , is that women are objectified at every turn and evaluated by how attractive they are.If they are attractive they have to fend off unwanted attention and feel unsafe in public areas and if they are less attractive they are more often than not dismissed and made to feel as though something is lacking.
I really have a problem with the idea that men and women somehow "complete " each other and although I aknowledge that the bible is explicit about homosexuality being a sin - which I accept as Gods word - I feel that the church is still a patriarchal institution - where women tend to play second fiddle - at least this is the case in most reformed churches.
I wish there would be less emphasis on gender differences and more emphasis on our common HUMANITY.Ideally, we would be asexual and therefore not have to be drawn into the war of the sexes.
There wouldn't be an overpopulated world, where mostly women are victims of sexual assault and exploitation and we wouldn't have the abortion debate.
In my opinion, human sexuality is not a gift - it is more trouble than it's worth.
Alot of the abuse is blatant choices of the person doing wrong to someone else. That person has lust and wants to control n manipulate a person . There is no excuse if a person was abused it's therefore not right to abuse others whom r innocent.. At the end of the day it's Sin... But sin can be forgiven. Sin was forgiven at the Cross n resurrection of Christ.. Amen... No weapon formed can prosper..!!!
 
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Hey there,
If you want to be a non sexual being just make it into the kingdom -- there is no marriage there -- haha

Along your line of thinking we can ask why did God make us jealous beings, envious, why do we lust at all? Why can we be brought to rage, to murder, to war? Why is it in us to steal and lie and cheat?
It seems to be our nature or at least our nature until we are born of God. You are missing the truth that we can have power over our flesh. The things that you mentioned don't have to rule our members. Our spirit is WHO we are not our flesh.
Just a side note for you -- I am female -- I realized in my late 20s I didn't want to marry, I could never submit to a man and give up my authority in life so I began to live a celibate life. This of course is not for all --Jesus spoke about it using the eunuchs. Paul spent much time writing about it. Personally I find rest and peace for my spirit in my decision.
I have been raped 3 times, I was molested as a child. I have been beat up robbed kidnapped and I have seen the evil nature of mankind. I don't think it is right to blame God for making mankind this way I do think the blame falls on man for choosing to follow that path. It comes down to love of others --the question should be why don't men know love -one for another?
Mental illness is something that God can understand n deemed either excuseable or not.. Am not God . Let God be God in that respect but when someone is aware of what he or she is doing then accountability is deemed here.
 
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Mental illness is something that God can understand n deemed either excuseable or not.. Am not God . Let God be God in that respect but when someone is aware of what he or she is doing then accountability is deemed here.
In addition to the response of mine.. My mother was Sexually abused by a distant relative... She forgave him so did I... Alot of things have happened, is happening and will happen but still by God's grace I will Forgive you.. Amen.. Selah
 

NayborBear

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From my understanding, as limited as it may er may not be, It wasn't God who created us as "sexual" beings, or even the "act" of procreation, wasn't God's CHOICE! If I remembers correctly, it was QUITE the opposite! Meaning? EVERYTHING connected to flesh "procreation" (if you will) was AFTER the "beguiling" of Eve, in what I like to call, the "Garden of Eden Incident!". And you can and shall take from this what you will, but, as far AS a "continuing of the species" (if you will), is concerned. THAT "particular" question was never asked, and if it would have been? I rather imagine that God would have stated: "When you are ready, I will supply THAT which "I" require!"....But?....It never got to that, did it?
 
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FreeNChrist

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From my understanding, as limited as it may er may not be, It wasn't God who created us as "sexual" beings, or even the "act" of procreation, wasn't God's CHOICE! If I remembers correctly, it was QUITE the opposite! Meaning? EVERYTHING connected to flesh "procreation" (if you will) was AFTER the "beguiling" of Eve, in what I like to call, the "Garden of Eden Incident!". And you can and shall take from this what you will, but, as far AS a "continuing of the species" (if you will), is concerned. THAT "particular" question was never asked, and if it would have been? I rather imagine that God would have stated: "When you are ready, I will supply THAT which "I" require!"....But?....It never got to that, did it?
He "supplied" Eve, didn't He??
 

NayborBear

Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
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He "supplied" Eve, didn't He??
...As a "help meet" so, man would not be lonely?...He sure did!....But, as you read onwards, in Genesis, there was NO mention of a continuing on of chidlren, and marriage, for that matter, until AFTER the "beguiling" of Eve.
 
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FreeNChrist

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...As a "help meet" so, man would not be lonely?...He sure did!....But, as you read onwards, in Genesis, there was NO mention of a continuing on of chidlren, and marriage, for that matter, until AFTER the "beguiling" of Eve.
If that was all there was to it, then why Eve and not Steve?