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Peace be to you
Pickles
Maybe its because of this verse;
For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
Love a friend in God
Pickles
Maybe its because of this verse;
For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
Love a friend in God
I love this scripture, but as Ive said before I havnt seen one I did not like. For me no matter what fruits I see in my life I always see what I still need to overcome and know my weakness. It is only in the last decade that I finally began to believe that Jesus loves me even when Im not perfect. The religion I was raised in only condemed or measured by your sacrifice. I was taught that You had to earn Jesus's love. Jesus spoke to my heart at that time and let me know his truth but I was never sure untill another comfermed his truth. Also the abuse I recieved was tied into obedience but thankyou Jesus this to has been healed. For some it may boil down to what had been taught to them in their first knowlage of Jesus and it would hep to end all sharing of his word with a word of Love. Small gestures can go along way sometimes. Thankyou and God bless, pickles
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It's been said before and it's worth saying again. If Jesus disciples can't decide on what he said and when. Who are you to make judgement on which church is correct 2000 years after your saviours birth. And it is impossible not to sin. As god knows your every thought can you honestly claim that you have never coveted? Have you worn clothes made out of two different materials? Sin, have you said Oh my god inapproapriately? Sin, Disrespected your parents in your youth? Sin.
God does not ask of us to be perfect because by right of free will we cannot be. He asks that you strive to be as good as you can be. And If you claim to be holier than another man, I'm quite sure there's sin right there, adolation if nothing else. God alone judges, do not presume to be his judge or even the jury least you find yourself facing the executioner.
God does not ask of us to be perfect because by right of free will we cannot be. He asks that you strive to be as good as you can be. And If you claim to be holier than another man, I'm quite sure there's sin right there, adolation if nothing else. God alone judges, do not presume to be his judge or even the jury least you find yourself facing the executioner.
Fair enough. But you're expressing your concern in a way that comes across as nagging, sometimes about things that don't really matter like whinging about Harry Potter.
You send mixed signals when you claim you love someone but don't respect them enough to know the difference between fantasy and reality.
You send mixed signals when you claim you love someone but don't respect them enough to know the difference between fantasy and reality.
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watchmen. Just because you add "I say this out of love" Doesn't mean it's something nice to say. The inquisition did what they did out of love, the crusades claim to be doing it out of love of mankind. There is no such thing as witches, Harry Potter is just a piece of fiction no different from the tales of Grim which disney's movies are based upon.
And if what you say in other threads is not relevant, then are you just trying to win points? Do you believe that scaring others will score more heavenly points? God alone judges and untill he makes a statement about Harry Potter we shouldn't judge. And quoting scripture will not prove anything. There's always another passage that can be interpetrated to suit ones need if you are just trying to win arguments...
And if what you say in other threads is not relevant, then are you just trying to win points? Do you believe that scaring others will score more heavenly points? God alone judges and untill he makes a statement about Harry Potter we shouldn't judge. And quoting scripture will not prove anything. There's always another passage that can be interpetrated to suit ones need if you are just trying to win arguments...
It's an easy thing to say, perhaps even an easy thing to convince oneself of.
Why do people who think it's okay to watch Harry Potter need to reevaluate their relationship with Christ? You haven't given a good reason for this. Are we supposed to take your word for it? God did not make you the arbiter of morality. If Harry Potter is a stumbling block for you, then by all means avoid it, but when you say things like that, all you're doing is creating fear in spiritually immature Christians. It does nobody any good.
So you may have love in mind when you say these things, but good intentions only go so far.
Why do people who think it's okay to watch Harry Potter need to reevaluate their relationship with Christ? You haven't given a good reason for this. Are we supposed to take your word for it? God did not make you the arbiter of morality. If Harry Potter is a stumbling block for you, then by all means avoid it, but when you say things like that, all you're doing is creating fear in spiritually immature Christians. It does nobody any good.
So you may have love in mind when you say these things, but good intentions only go so far.
You don't get to be the arbiter of holiness.
That's the whole reason people get annoyed with you. It's not because they hate you for pointing out legitimate flaws, it's that you set yourself up as the one who determines what others should and shouldn't do, and it drives people to quit the church in disgust--and in some cases, it drives them into depression because they can't live up to the impossible standards their church or its members have placed on them.
You took a dig at whether people who've committed the horrible offense of reading a Children's fantasy novel are really Christians. Let me tell you, I've read Harry Potter--and I've done a hell of a lot worse than reading Harry Potter, and I still believe that God's love is greater than my faults.
When I was a teenager, my youth pastor would constantly push us to question our salvation--not because of some great sin, or because we were apathetic to God's will, but because we didn't share his own enthusiasm for preaching. He made us feel as though our friends were all going to wind up in hell and it would be all our fault. Sincere, spiritually immature believers hear comments like that and begin to question their salvation, their self worth, and eventually whether being a follower of Christ is even worth it.
That Christians do this to their own makes me sick. I got depressed and spent two weeks in a psychiatric hospital thanks to that mentality. Sometimes people don't get better and chose suicide.
It has to stop. Legalism, accusatory statements, the persecution mentality--it all needs to go, because it's not holiness, it's the same sin of the Pharisees that Jesus preached against 2000 years ago.
That's the whole reason people get annoyed with you. It's not because they hate you for pointing out legitimate flaws, it's that you set yourself up as the one who determines what others should and shouldn't do, and it drives people to quit the church in disgust--and in some cases, it drives them into depression because they can't live up to the impossible standards their church or its members have placed on them.
You took a dig at whether people who've committed the horrible offense of reading a Children's fantasy novel are really Christians. Let me tell you, I've read Harry Potter--and I've done a hell of a lot worse than reading Harry Potter, and I still believe that God's love is greater than my faults.
When I was a teenager, my youth pastor would constantly push us to question our salvation--not because of some great sin, or because we were apathetic to God's will, but because we didn't share his own enthusiasm for preaching. He made us feel as though our friends were all going to wind up in hell and it would be all our fault. Sincere, spiritually immature believers hear comments like that and begin to question their salvation, their self worth, and eventually whether being a follower of Christ is even worth it.
That Christians do this to their own makes me sick. I got depressed and spent two weeks in a psychiatric hospital thanks to that mentality. Sometimes people don't get better and chose suicide.
It has to stop. Legalism, accusatory statements, the persecution mentality--it all needs to go, because it's not holiness, it's the same sin of the Pharisees that Jesus preached against 2000 years ago.
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If it was humanly possible for us to live without sin, God our Father would not of had to send His Son in our place. Remember it was love that put Him on the cross. It was His choice. Stop hammering the nails that keeps Him there. He is risen !!!!! Lord bless you all !!!!!
Hoping to be sharing His love with you in chat soon walk, love, breath, share His undying love for all,
your sister in Christ Jesus... Theresa (Dawnbreaking)
Hoping to be sharing His love with you in chat soon walk, love, breath, share His undying love for all,
your sister in Christ Jesus... Theresa (Dawnbreaking)
all have sinned but this is before our belief in Jesus Christ, even the old testament saints looked for His first coming, to say that one through Jesus/ God and the power through the Holy Spirit/ God, He gives to the ones that belong to them, that we can't be perfect is to say that God has lied .
God is no respect of persons we believe that God allowed one person to partake of His Kingdom then everyone has a shot at it through Jesus Christ. But when God says that there is a man that was perfect, we say no way no one can be perfect except Jesus But through Jesus we can. I can do all things ( except turn from sin ) through Christ which strengthens me, No Php 4:13I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
I can set that sin down and walk away from just as Job did the Bible doesn't teach us that we can't be perfect if it does then we do have a contradiction, Job 1:1There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
but man says we can't be perfect and we turn our itchy ears to man's teaching away from the Word of God
God is no respect of persons we believe that God allowed one person to partake of His Kingdom then everyone has a shot at it through Jesus Christ. But when God says that there is a man that was perfect, we say no way no one can be perfect except Jesus But through Jesus we can. I can do all things ( except turn from sin ) through Christ which strengthens me, No Php 4:13I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
I can set that sin down and walk away from just as Job did the Bible doesn't teach us that we can't be perfect if it does then we do have a contradiction, Job 1:1There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
but man says we can't be perfect and we turn our itchy ears to man's teaching away from the Word of God
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