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mooman

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Hey there, I'm a little puzzled by the verse from Isaiah 45 vs 7. " I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things". (KJV). Its been a stumbling block for me as it seems to contradict the notion of an all loving God. Even though I know he loves us all, this verse seems to point that he allows evil and even enforces it. Even the tale of Job, where Satan asks Gods permission to harrass Job. I know that was to test his faith, but it was extreme. It. Seems as though God sends Satan to influence us, to tempt us, and that they work together but God is in complete control. I'm sure he has his reasons. Anyways, just a thought, and further info would be great. God bless
 
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carey

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God is a God of all, love, peace, war
He said He will never give us more than we can bear
God is not a tempter of sin
I do not believe God and satan works together, instead He uses satan to test our faith and our hearts
You have to look at the context of this passage, and remember in the time that Isaiah wrote this Israel was giving herself over to false gods and even witchcraft. I believe God is telling them the false gods did not bring about the plenty and the drought, only God Himself had the power to do that. It is a display of His great power.
I hope this helps you
God bless
 
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mooman

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Thanks. I know that God is above all and He is great. Its just that an unbeliever once threw that passage at me once and I couldn't explain it to him on the spot. Yes overall context does play a big part. Once again thanks. God bless
 
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mule

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God created satan and this angel turned on Him. God created each of us and many turned on Him. We as that scripture is saying created by God
 
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mooman

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That's completely true
 
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Ariel82

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i've read that the word "evil" could be more accurately translated as misfortune or disasters. in that God allows trials and tribulation to occur for His purposes. not as in the modern usage of the word evil. The misunderstanding comes from the change in word usage over time and having to translate it from the original language.

the New King James version translate it as calamity.

Isaiah 45
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting
That there is none besides Me.
I am the Lord, and there is no other;
7 I form the light and create darkness,
I make peace and create calamity;
I, the Lord, do all these things.’
 
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mooman

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Ill probably need to update My bible. I always read an old king james bible fom the 1800s. Cheers
 
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my husband says that Job was favored by God when He said...who on earth is like Job so that when Job's faith was tested, he was tested to the extreme in order to perfect him..
 
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He created evil the same way He created:
Light and dark
+ & -
up and down
reaction = equal and opposite reaction
eye for eye, tooth for tooth
revisitation of sins upon the sinner, because it's the only way the non-repentant can understand the consequences of their actions

A fair and righteous judgment and means of correction.

Think about a wise Father putting His child who will not listen into a situation where afterward He is able to say:
"now, see how it feels when someone does that to you? not too good huh?"

And He repeats this until the child stops. But He never punishes beyond what is adequate, because He is righteous, and He's the one who made up "eye for eye", and even provided an escape.

Y'Shua jumped in the way of our "equal and opposite reaction"
 
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Hey there, I'm a little puzzled by the verse from Isaiah 45 vs 7. " I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things". (KJV). Its been a stumbling block for me as it seems to contradict the notion of an all loving God. Even though I know he loves us all, this verse seems to point that he allows evil and even enforces it. Even the tale of Job, where Satan asks Gods permission to harrass Job. I know that was to test his faith, but it was extreme. It. Seems as though God sends Satan to influence us, to tempt us, and that they work together but God is in complete control. I'm sure he has his reasons. Anyways, just a thought, and further info would be great. God bless
keep reading your bible you are on the rigth track

the Lord is teaching you!!

keep:) reading
 
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Even the tale of Job, where Satan asks Gods permission to harrass Job. I know that was to test his faith, but it was extreme.
Job was already an awesome example of a servant in YHWH's eyes, right? And He only allows what we can bear, right? It was only fair for Him to present Job with the opportunity to bump it up yet another notch!
Because He knew Job could deal with it, either way. Job was the one who needed to know this.
The death of his family was, in the long run, and in the context of who Job was, of little consequence because He will restore all things.

Can I practice what I preach? *shudder*
The fear of YHWH is clean. *shudder*
 
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psychomom

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The Hebrew word "ra" that the KJV translators translated "calamity" in Isaiah 45:7
they translated "evil" in Genesis 6:5, and Genesis 8:21. Other places they used "bad", "wicked", "with a sore", "adversity", and "ill".
But you get the basic meaning. God is not saying He is the Author of moral evil.

I'm not surprised someone without Christ would throw that one at you, beloved. Completely without context, natch! ;)
These words were spoken to the Medo-Persian king Cyrus regarding of the sect of Persians called the Magians.
(Cyrus conquered Babylon.)
The Magians held that light and darkness or put another way good and evil were supreme beings; above the One True God.
I think God is saying "I make these things" as in I, the Lord God, am above even the ones you hold as "supreme".
The very next verses speak to God's power and authority.

As believers, we can take heart in that! :)
~ellie
 
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Mooman, check out why God created evil... God had the perfect heavens, then some angel wanted to be God, and that was no good! So sin was now even done in heaven. Then the Holy God of all time made a great solution to this.... He will NEVER allow sin to influence His holiness again. And here is the solution... Firstly God made the earth and confined the sinning angel and his followers to the earth. And now God created man and EVERY spirit that God will create for every human on earth will have the FREE CHOICE to choose here on earth how they want to spend eternity. With Satan and evil or with God in holiness. Every spirit God creates will make his choice here on earth, and for them to make the choice BOTH good and evil are availible for them here on earth. What a great plan to keep His Kingdom holy.
 
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it is not moral evil that is being spoken of, but physical. Disaster, would be a good word to use here....
 

JaumeJ

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Hey there, I'm a little puzzled by the verse from Isaiah 45 vs 7. " I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things". (KJV). Its been a stumbling block for me as it seems to contradict the notion of an all loving God. Even though I know he loves us all, this verse seems to point that he allows evil and even enforces it. Even the tale of Job, where Satan asks Gods permission to harrass Job. I know that was to test his faith, but it was extreme. It. Seems as though God sends Satan to influence us, to tempt us, and that they work together but God is in complete control. I'm sure he has his reasons. Anyways, just a thought, and further info would be great. God bless
The word for evil here is "rah" or "רע" which may be translated as evil, however it has many other meanings like troubles, hardships, harm, woe, bad, and more. It is also good to read the line in context, relating it to what is declared before and after. Our Father certainly does not need any of His children as His advocate, but He really is Love. He is good and every thing He does is good. His ways are not our ways, and no man can fathom the mind of our Maker.
Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
Isa 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Isa 45:8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.
Isa 45:9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?