Deceivers destroy HOPE by teaching we have all now B4 heaven health/money/revelation

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1still_waters

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Deceivers motivated by their own error, fleshly desires, and maybe even Satan himself, destroy hope, when they teach that we can ALL have perfect health, perfect wealth, perfect channel of communication/revelation, and full manifestation of other "heavenly" blessings now, before we get to the new heavens and new Earth.

(Heaven will be used to mean the new heavens and new Earth.)

A major strengthener in our walk of faith is hope.

23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. 24 For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance.
There is a major destroyer alive in the church today. It's a teaching that looks quite hopeful, but in the end, it leaves many hopeless.

It promises all believers perfect health this side of heaven. This teaching leads many from a sense of eternal hope, to a sense of literal frustration and despair. It destroys hope, because often the believer remains sick/ill, and they become frustrated because it isn't manifesting this side of heaven.

The thing that should strengthen them, namely hope, gets replaced with a focus on the now that keeps them in despair and frustration, until they're set free by the hope of full restoration in heaven.

Deceivers destroy hope by saying ALL believers will be wealthy. This is a hope destroyer for a few reasons.
First many "sow seed" and don't get the promised wealth. So again, hope gets replaced with frustration and maybe even a sense that God has lied. Second, the promise of wealth distracts from putting your hope in heaven. So the person ends up strengthened by the wealth they have now, and not in the hope to come. Maybe that's why it says even the desire to be rich is wrong.

1 Timoth 6
9 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition
Another hope destroyer that flies under the radar to many, is the belief that we're going to have a totally open channel of communication/revelation/conversation/sense of hearing/and the like this side of heaven.It's a teaching that basically says we can have a sit down chit chat full conversation with full two sided dialog just like we have in a real life conversation. Yes there is communication with God, but not to the extent these hope destroyers teach/say.

What happens here is people interpret almost EVERY thought/feeling/happening/and the like as a manifestation of that full channel of communication/revelation/eh you get the point, that we have to look forward to in heaven. They may even make up things in their head, just so they can validate their hope destroying belief. They get so deceived in to thinking that has already arrived, that they have no sense of the true full communication that truly awaits us in heaven.

Revelation 22
3 And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him. 4 They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads. 5 There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.
Please folks, don't let the hope destroyers destroy your hope. Hope will strengthen you. These deceivers only offer a false hope, that will frustrate you.

Choose hope.

Hope that is seen, is not hope at all.

Romans 8

22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. 24 For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance.
 
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mule

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Doesn't that type of teaching just get under your skin? What I do is watch these guys on TV then write long handwritten letters to their ministry and counter their assertions with scriptures they tend to leave out or over look or even gloss over. Often they have a twisted answer to any scripture that interferes with their doctrine.
It all sounds good to the hearer -- who is often told they don't have these promises because they don't have enough faith or they are in sin or they don't know how to pray correctly or or or or the excuses are many and the people are made worthless.
 
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1still_waters

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Doesn't that type of teaching just get under your skin? What I do is watch these guys on TV then write long handwritten letters to their ministry and counter their assertions with scriptures they tend to leave out or over look or even gloss over. Often they have a twisted answer to any scripture that interferes with their doctrine.
It all sounds good to the hearer -- who is often told they don't have these promises because they don't have enough faith or they are in sin or they don't know how to pray correctly or or or or the excuses are many and the people are made worthless.
Yup.

They sure know how to destroy hope.
 
Sep 8, 2012
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It's a popular message that sells.
People have itching ears that don't want to hear sound doctrine.
- To me this is one of the signs of that we are in the last days because before mass communications
and the ability to sponge donations via credit card; the preachers that promised these things either traveled by wagon or
lived in the general area of the church they claimed these things at.
So people could see if the message was real by checking on them.
"In the last days they will not endure sound doctrine." - That scripture never rang more true than right now.
 
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Abiding

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To all who read this thread:

Get off the fence!!!

Thankyou! :)


Tasty treat anyone?
 
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Ariel82

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mmm food....I want a chocolate covered strawberry please...

oh nice thread stilly.

will you do one about doctrine that teaches the need for sinless perfection before salvation?
 
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1still_waters

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mmm food....I want a chocolate covered strawberry please...

oh nice thread stilly.

will you do one about doctrine that teaches the need for sinless perfection before salvation?
That's a tough one to do.
Folks tend to hear ya saying stuff ya ain't saidin.
 
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Abiding

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'will you do one about doctrine that teaches the need for sinless perfection before salvation?'

I already did that............and it went swimmingly!
It was almost like the day of pentecost,.........I mean every believer was in ONE accord!
...........noooooo problems at all,............No problems..........
 
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cfultz3

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mmm food....I want a chocolate covered strawberry please...

oh nice thread stilly.

will you do one about doctrine that teaches the need for sinless perfection before salvation?
Will'ya? Huh? Wil will you?