Baptism is necessary for Salvation!!!!!

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I have seen it said that Baptism is just a symbol of our faith or following to Jesus. I just want to point out to those questioning it that even Jesus himself was baptized in Matthew 4:13-17. He said to John, ''Let it be so now, it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness''.(NIV) This is necessary for salvation. You must repent and accept Jesus and BE BAPTIZED!!!!!
 
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Chritianbound, John the Baptist, the first baptizer we know of in the Bible, stand in the water and preach to the ones he is baptizing, then He says this.... Mat 3:11...

I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

So it is clear John also knew there would be another type of baptism. Now we know of two baptisms. One with water and one with Holy Spirit and with Fire! If we split the Holy Spirit and the Fire as for two groups, then there is three baptisms... But GOD says this in Ephesians 4: 5...

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Now if you give me a choice on what baptism I may have.. I choose... ONE BAPTISM INTO ONE HOLY SPIRIT, BY ONE JESUS!
That is the only baptism that saves!
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

 
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Who baptized John the Baptist????? We believe then are batptiezed see Eph.2:8-9,1st John 5:9-13 John 1:14,romans 1:16-17 and Matt.28-18-20 and james 1:17-18.
 
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christianbound said:
I have seen it said that Baptism is just a symbol of our faith or following to Jesus. I just want to point out to those questioning it that even Jesus himself was baptized in Matthew 4:13-17. He said to John, ''Let it be so now, it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness''.(NIV) This is necessary for salvation. You must repent and accept Jesus and BE BAPTIZED!!!!!
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jesus was baptised for a reason, and it was not to get saved.

John also told us that his baptism could not save you, but only the one performed by Jesus (Holy Spirit) would wash away sin, which jesus re-iterated later in the gospels.

Water is a symbol of that which really saves us, which is baptism of the holy spirit/.

it is dangerous to replace the work of God with the work of men, in fact, it is blasphemy
 
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Water baptism is what happens AFTER your confession. If anything baptism is PART of your salvation, but it is not the key thing that saves.
So many misunderstandings of this topic where one is greater than the other.

The truth is if you do not believe, and confess your sins FIRST then baptism is nothing. I believe baptism is necessary, and we are commanded to do it, but teaching baptism without knowing what comes before it is not scriptual.
 
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What about that verse in Romans that says ''Whosever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved'' This verse says nothing of Baptism. Baptism is a public display of faith, it is not what saves us.
 
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Dude653 said:
What about that verse in Romans that says ''Whosever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved'' This verse says nothing of Baptism. Baptism is a public display of faith, it is not what saves us.
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what about "who is not born of water and spirit shall not enter the kingdom of heaven"

Being born of water does not mean being born from woman.
OBVIOUSLY, you have to be BORN to even accept the gospel.


Anyway, I am taking an internet break for possibly a week while my son is home from school on fall break...

See you lovely people in a week.
 
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Elizabeth619 said:
what about "who is not born of water and spirit shall not enter the kingdom of heaven"

Being born of water does not mean being born from woman.
OBVIOUSLY, you have to be BORN to even accept the gospel.


Anyway, I am taking an internet break for possibly a week while my son is home from school on fall break...

See you lovely people in a week.
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Water = flesh which equals being born of a woman, not born of baptism.

Hope ya enjoy your week :)
 
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Elizabeth619 said:
Water baptism is what happens AFTER your confession. If anything baptism is PART of your salvation, but it is not the key thing that saves.
So many misunderstandings of this topic where one is greater than the other.

The truth is if you do not believe, and confess your sins FIRST then baptism is nothing. I believe baptism is necessary, and we are commanded to do it, but teaching baptism without knowing what comes before it is not scriptual.
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This is what I am saying. It is necessary for salvation....but it is not the only thing to do. I said repent and accept Jesus as well. As for someone saying something about being blasphemous.....I was not replacing the work of God with the work of man. Again Jesus said it is PROPER for us to do this to FULFILL ALL RIGHTEOUNESS. I am quoting straight from the Bible.
 
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Waht about the thief on the cross?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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christianbound said:
This is what I am saying. It is necessary for salvation....but it is not the only thing to do. I said repent and accept Jesus as well. As for someone saying something about being blasphemous.....I was not replacing the work of God with the work of man. Again Jesus said it is PROPER for us to do this to FULFILL ALL RIGHTEOUNESS. I am quoting straight from the Bible.
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if it is necessary for salvation, then salvation is not of grace but of works, and many an OT people will be left out because they were not baptised, considering they were saved by the same grace which saved us, and they were not baptised.
 
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Jesus knows everyone. He told the thief he would be in paradise with him. But I think for us who know the word and do not obey, we are judged accordingly. For those who never know I think God judges accordingly.
 
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I believe everyone should be baptized for the remission of sins in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Jesus, Yeshua, always showed mercy in place of punishment and sacrifice, so following His perfect Example as well as imperfect I am able, I would never say anyone is not saved who has not been immersed, and it is my prayerful and meditative determination our Master would not consider that person not saved. Things happen, and He knows this well.

 
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Just want to say:
Times change. Back in the old testament, there were tons of crazy rules the Jews had to follow. Do you think we still obey them now? No.
I don't see many people giving sacrifices every week.
I don't really think its necessary to be baptized if you wish to be saved. Its just a thing to straighten out your beliefs, to me.
But that's my opinion, which doesn't matter much since I'm just a kid :)
 
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christianbound said:
Jesus knows everyone. He told the thief he would be in paradise with him. But I think for us who know the word and do not obey, we are judged accordingly. For those who never know I think God judges accordingly.
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Yes he did, because that guy was baptized by Christ. As all of us are who are born into his family,

Yes we should obey, I agree 100 %, but we should not add works to the gospel of grace, if we add one work, we would need to add them all, and no one would make it, because none of us will be perfect. we will all fall short.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

Yes he did, because that guy was baptized by Christ. As all of us are who are born into his family,

Yes we should obey, I agree 100 %, but we should not add works to the gospel of grace, if we add one work, we would need to add them all, and no one would make it, because none of us will be perfect. we will all fall short.
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I am not adding works. Again, I quote Matthew 4:13-17. It is pretty clear.
 
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I am not adding works. Again, I quote Matthew 4:13-17. It is pretty clear.
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yeah your are adding works if your trying to replace spirit baptism with water baptism for salvation/

Its no different than the jews who tried to add circumcision,. Paul makes it clear. neither physical circumcision or physical baptism avails anything, because we are not cleansed by the hands of men, but by the hands of God. which is what spiritual baptism of the HS is.
 
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You must be spiritually immersed in the following ways:

Water: the refreshing experience.
Fire: the "other" refining experience.
Set Apart Spirit: the nature of the Father.

The physical water, fire and wind are just physical things to represent the spiritual.
It's the heart that counts, not in the pond, furnace or a spectre in a whirlwind.

Otherwise, we aren't "saved" unless we also dowse ourselves with literal gas and fire up a match while casper stands to the side and giggles.

A certain thief was baptized while hanging on a pole.
 
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But the other answered, and rebuking him said, "Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41 "And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds;

SPIRIT and FIRE.

but this man has done nothing wrong." 42 And he was saying, "Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!" 43 And He said to him, "Truly I say to you today you shall be with Me in Paradise."

SPIRIT and WATER.
 
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Bit of a study on 'Baptism in Water' can be found Here
 
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