Fishers of men

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Does your Bible have this verse?

Mat 4:19 And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men. And if they don't
meet the weight limit, I'll throw them back.

So, tell me, does YOUR bible have that verse? Mine doesn't, yet I see a LOT of people preaching that
very same thing in these forums. They preach you can lose your salvation. They teach the nation
of Israel was cast off. Do people not know their own God? The doctrine they preach describes
a moody, tempermental pagan god that strikes people down, if the people don't please the god
to the god's satisfaction.

Let me tell you about my God. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. So God the Father
sent the Son to rescue people from condemnation. The Son said:
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
God the Father called the saved person, when the person was still a sinner, at his very worse,, totally
under condemnation. Jesus died so the worst of human existance could be saved. And you have the
gall to accuse God of casting those people away again?? Just what kind of God are you promoting?
That kind of preaching sounds more like an enemy of God, rather than a child of God.

What did Jesus say?
Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Jesus said there is no way of that person being cast out, BUT that don't stop many of you from
accusing Jesus of doing it. What do you think is going to happen, when these people have to stand
before Jesus on judgement day, and give an account of lie after lie after lie they said about Him??
They aren't going to get a pat of the back, that's for sure.

So, this issue of Jesus casting people off is calling Jesus a liar. And no one is going to trust a liar.
It is my opinion, these people aren't saved, they don't have a relationship with Jesus, but only
playing religion. Cause if you don't trust Jesus to keep you, you got no faith in Him at all.
And if you got no faith in Him, you've never been saved and you don't know Jesus.

 

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You do realize in the Old Testament that God did strike down alot of ppl because they didn't do what he commanded?

 

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You do realize in the Old Testament that God did strike down alot of ppl because they didn't do what he commanded?

What did Jesus promise in John 6:37? A person has to learn the ABC's before they learn to start
spelling. John 6:37 is the basics, the "milk" of the word. Grace is un-merited favor.

God gave the Israelites a taste of grace when He brought them out of Egypt. Even though the
people complained and even wanted to stone Moses, God gave the people what they wanted.
They had the covering of blood of the lamb, which pointed to Jesus,, and they came out under grace.
It wasn't until the people said, "we will do everything the Lord ask", did God give the Law and dish
out the punishments for disobedience. (Ex 19.) And the NT teaches, a person is under grace or
under the law. The people coming out of Egypt chose to be under the law. They had seen the
rituals of Egypt and saw the grace of God. They chose rituals and the law. They didn't have faith in
God and they chose to try and justify themselves. It was this no faith in God, but the Law and rituals
that brought about the punishments for disobediance, through the ages.

Jesus paid the price and offers grace. Yet even today, with John 6:37 so plain and simple to grasp
and understand, people STILL want to be under the law and try to justify themselves. If there
is any way to lose salvation (and not saying there is) but if there is a way, it would be trying to
obey the law. because a person is stepping out of grace and back under the law, making what Jesus
did on the cross null and void. But Jesus is faithful. He puts the person under grace and not the
person who puts himself under grace. Jesus is the one who keeps the saved person saved, and not
the saved person who keeps himself saved.