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lighthorse19d

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I am a Catholic Christian. The catholic church is the one true church, the only one that Christ started.the church is the one who defined the cannon of scripture that all Christians hold as the inspired word of God, even anti catholic Christians. If anyone would like to lovingly discuss this with me please feel free to contract me at [email protected]
 
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lighthorse19d said:
I am a Catholic Christian. The catholic church is the one true church, the only one that Christ started.the church is the one who defined the cannon of scripture that all Christians hold as the inspired word of God, even anti catholic Christians. If anyone would like to lovingly discuss this with me please feel free to contract me at [email protected]
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What does the catholic church offer?
 
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lighthorse19d said:
I am a Catholic Christian. The catholic church is the one true church, the only one that Christ started.the church is the one who defined the cannon of scripture that all Christians hold as the inspired word of God, even anti catholic Christians. If anyone would like to lovingly discuss this with me please feel free to contract me at [email protected]
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Can I ask for a clarification of the word "one true". Do you believe other churches (like Methodist, Lutheran, etc. ) false churches? If so, what is false about them?

It is not quite true that other churches have the same canon of Scripture, since most do not acknowledge the apocrypha.

Since this is a Bible study forum (I would not have mentioned this had you posted in Miscellaneoous): What do you think of Acts 7:38, where it states that the church was already at Sinai? Is this the same church, or a different one? If it is different, how can you say the current Catholic church is the one true church? If it is the same, then how could Christ have started it, if it existed before Christ was on earth?
 
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& why did u start a thread here, but you don't want to discuss it here, but privately at your email?
 
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I can agree with you that Jesus taught Peter & Peter started the ORIGINAL first (Catholic) church. But wow what a leap that you have been brainwashed into believing that the vatican council is not made up of men. The basis of what you believe was inspired by men, not God. The Bible is the foundation of most Christian's belief. Where in the Bible does it say that the roman catholic church is the one true church? It might say so in your catechism, but not in the Bible. Your catechism is not a Bible.
I'm not at all into Catholic bashing, as are so many other denominations. Catholics are some of the most devout Christians in the world. Today's Catholics know the LEAST about the Bible than any other denomination.I've found most people here to be polite & knowledgeable, & I invite you to continue here, I'm on your side. Don't be afraid to discuss your thread here. It will be ok. A lot of people here have read the books written by famous Catholics such as ST. Augustine, etc.
Also, there other apostles who started churches & they are not any less true than Peter's.
 
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lighthorse19d said:
I am a Catholic Christian. The catholic church is the one true church, the only one that Christ started.the church is the one who defined the cannon of scripture that all Christians hold as the inspired word of God, even anti catholic Christians.
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Actually, the Canon of scripture was determined before the Catholic Church as an institution ever existed.
 
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All denominations are funnels. And only the meek that that fall in can safely fit through the tiny hole in the bottom.
 
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lighthorse19d said:
I am a Catholic Christian. The catholic church is the one true church, the only one that Christ started.the church is the one who defined the cannon of scripture that all Christians hold as the inspired word of God, even anti catholic Christians. If anyone would like to lovingly discuss this with me please feel free to contract me at [email protected]
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Jesus taught us to be humble.
 
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SantoSubito

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Can I ask for a clarification of the word "one true". Do you believe other churches (like Methodist, Lutheran, etc. ) false churches? If so, what is false about them?
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The proper esponse to this would be that other churches (actually called ecclesial communities) do not possess the complete truth, only lesser levels of it.

It is not quite true that other churches have the same canon of Scripture, since most do not acknowledge the apocrypha.
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Actually most Christians acknowledge the Deuterocanon. If your speaking of individual denominations then your right since Protestantism is so fragmented.
 
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lighthorse19d said:
I am a Catholic Christian. The catholic church is the one true church, the only one that Christ started.the church is the one who defined the cannon of scripture that all Christians hold as the inspired word of God, even anti catholic Christians. If anyone would like to lovingly discuss this with me please feel free to contract me at [email protected]
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Usually I think Catholics are just as good as Protestants.
 
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lighthorse19d said:
I am a Catholic Christian. The catholic church is the one true church, the only one that Christ started.the church is the one who defined the cannon of scripture that all Christians hold as the inspired word of God, even anti catholic Christians. If anyone would like to lovingly discuss this with me please feel free to contract me at [email protected]
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Welcome, good to see a real believer of the one true church.

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SantoSubito said:
The proper esponse to this would be that other churches (actually called ecclesial communities) do not possess the complete truth, only lesser levels of it.
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Do you have 1 John 2:27 in your higher level of truth bible?

1 John 2:27-28
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

Maybe you could explain these verses while you're at it, in respect to why God is withholding Truth from every church except the catholic one?;

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Thank God for Martin Luther, right? Could you imagine a church that would withhold the Bible because they wanted complete control of their followers???

Thank God we have the bible available for all to read now. We can go straight there and check to see if a person has the truth or not. I guess thats what the catholic church didn't want in the beginning. It looks like it still is the goal of that church to try and be the sole source of truth. Its pretty sad to think of having to go to a church made with human hands to try and be taught truth. I don't see how people buy into it. Why not just go straight to the source and cut out the middle man and all his error? That's what I do... Different strokes for different folks, I suppose.


 
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SantoSubito

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Do you have 1 John 2:27 in your higher level of truth bible?

1 John 2:27-28
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

Maybe you could explain these verses while you're at it, in respect to why God is withholding Truth from every church except the catholic one?;
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He ain't, it's there on its pedestal clear as day, but whether you perceive it or not is an all together different matter.

Besides you should not be chaffed at this notion; I've never met a Protestant you believes they have everything right.

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Thank God for Martin Luther, right? Could you imagine a church that would withhold the Bible because they wanted complete control of their followers???
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Okay this will be how this ends up going. I'll say we didn't withhold it and many Cathedrals had Bibles for public use. Then you'll say; "But they were chained to the table and they were in Latin", then I'll explain that they were chained to keep people from stealing them and they were in Latin because anybody that could read read Latin.

Thank God we have the bible available for all to read now. We can go straight there and check to see if a person has the truth or not. I guess thats what the catholic church didn't want in the beginning. It looks like it still is the goal of that church to try and be the sole source of truth. Its pretty sad to think of having to go to a church made with human hands to try and be taught truth. I don't see how people buy into it. Why not just go straight to the source and cut out the middle man and all his error? That's what I do... Different strokes for different folks, I suppose.
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Nope. You still have a middle man, and its your preconceived notions and interpretational paradigms. While mine is two thousand years of Christian thought, and an infallible (yes I'm aware you don't believe it's infallible) interpreting authority.
 
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He ain't, it's there on its pedestal clear as day, but whether you perceive it or not is an all together different matter..
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Well I know that, but you just said earlier that only the catholic church has the truth and all others only have a lesser truth.

Besides you should not be chaffed at this notion; I've never met a Protestant you believes they have everything right.
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I rely on the Lord to show me. I believe only He has everything right.

Okay this will be how this ends up going. I'll say we didn't withhold it and many Cathedrals had Bibles for public use. Then you'll say; "But they were chained to the table and they were in Latin", then I'll explain that they were chained to keep people from stealing them and they were in Latin because anybody that could read read Latin.
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Po tay toes Po tah toes. The Spirit of thinking that the catholic church and only the catholic church holds the keys to all of God's knowledge is still very much alive. You can't help it. Its in all of your posts.

Wouldn't it be awesome if the bible were so desirable that you had to chain it down to keep people from taking it? Why not just let them have it and bring new ones in?

Nope. You still have a middle man, and its your preconceived notions and interpretational paradigms. While mine is two thousand years of Christian thought, and an infallible (yes I'm aware you don't believe it's infallible) interpreting authority.
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You trust two thousand years of christian thought and the pope. I certainly wouldn't call that infallible.

I trust the Lord Jesus Christ. He is what I would call infallible.

All the error is always the same error, its just dressed up in different packages.
 
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Naivety at its best, well done.

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I've some across quite a few of your posts today, including your response to one of mine on another thread...

you do know... God sees you... dontchya?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I've some across quite a few of your posts today, including your response to one of mine on another thread...

you do know... God sees you... dontchya?
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If you stick around long enough, you will realise they are more worried about what the pope and their leaders thinks and say then they are about what God says.
 
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SantoSubito

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Well I know that, but you just said earlier that only the catholic church has the truth and all others only have a lesser truth.
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Yeah, thats the whole point of the infallible Church


Po tay toes Po tah toes. The Spirit of thinking that the catholic church and only the catholic church holds the keys to all of God's knowledge is still very much alive. You can't help it. Its in all of your posts.
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Well it's not a claim we hide.

Wouldn't it be awesome if the bible were so desirable that you had to chain it down to keep people from taking it? Why not just let them have it and bring new ones in?
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Because when they were handwritten they were extraordinarily expensive, and took a very long time to copy.

You trust two thousand years of christian thought and the pope. I certainly wouldn't call that infallible.

I trust the Lord Jesus Christ. He is what I would call infallible.

All the error is always the same error, its just dressed up in different packages.
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Indeed it is still the same error. I've seen all forms of ancient heresies on this board presented as the pure Gospel truth.
 
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SantoSubito said:
Indeed it is still the same error. I've seen all forms of ancient heresies on this board presented as the pure Gospel truth.
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You go to a catholic church. Of course you see all the forms of ancient heresies.

The biggest error I see on this board is all the people who trust in men and themselves over the Power of God. Most of the rest of the error is minor compared to that.

I know that there are saved Christians inside the catholic church. I also know that there are charismatic christians inside the catholic church (uh-oh). All this diversity inside just one church, there is even more outside of it. Its not a bad thing.

We see through a glass darkly. That means that we don't have all the spiritual answers. We have to go to the Lord Jesus to get them, not other people who ,AT THEIR BEST, only see as much as we do...
 
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