Trinity?

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Strong1

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Just a sample of what Scripture teaches:

The Father and the Son are not the same person:
Matthew 11:27
27 “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

Galatians 4:4-7
4 But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship.[a] 6 Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, “Abba, Father.” 7 So you are no longer a slave, but God’s child; and since you are his child, God has made you also an heir.

John 17:3
3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Ephesians 1:17
17 I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit[a] of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better.

John 8:16
16 But if I do judge, my decisions are true, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me.

John 20:17
17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

Matthew 27:45–46
45 From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land. 46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli,[a] lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).

1 Thessalonians 1:10
10 and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the deadJesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.

The Son and the Spirit are not the same person:
Acts 10:38
38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.

Romans 8:11
11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of[a] his Spirit who lives in you.

The Father and the Spirit are not the same.
John 14:26
26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

John 15:26
26 “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me.

Father is God:
Philippians 1:2
2 Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus is God:
John 20:28
28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Colossians 2:9
9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,

Holy Spirit is God:
Acts 5:3–4
3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”



Plurality from the beginning:
Genesis 1:26
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”


Some of the Roles of the Father:
Draws people to the Son (John 6:44)
Father gives sheep to the Son (John 10:29)
Father has a Son (Psalm 2:7, 12)
Ultimate source/cause of universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11)
Divine revelation (Revelation 1:1)
Salvation (John 3:16-17)
Jesus' human works (John 5:17; 14:10)
Chooses who will be saved (Eph 1:4)

Some of the roles of the Son:
Atones for Sin (1 John 2:2)
Creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17)
Divine revelation (John 1:1; 16:12-15; Matthew 11:27; Revelation 1:1)
Salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42)
Redeems (Eph 1:7)


Holy Spirit:
Seals the believer's Salvation (Ephesians 1:13)
Creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30)
Divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21)
Salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2)
Jesus' works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38)
Holy Spirit seals (Eph 1:13)

Other verses dealing with Personhood:
Distinction between Father and Son (John 14:23)
Son sent by the Father (John 6:38)
Father gives sheep to the Son (John 10:29)
Father is Greater than Son (John 14:28)
Paul says “God and Lord Jesus Christ” (2 Thessalonians 1:2, 12)
Jesus is the image the invisible God (Colossians 1:15)
David says “The Lord says to My Lord(Psalm 110:1)
The Lord Has a Son (Psalm 2:7,12 Proverbs 30:2-4)
Spirit distinguished from Lord (Numbers 27:18)
Spirit distinguished from God ((Psalm 51:10-12)
God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9)
Says the Father will send a Helper, the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17)
Son makes reference to Father and Spirit ( Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1)
Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking.
Spirit descents upon Son, father is pleased (Matthew 3:16-17)
Baptize in name of each person (Matthew 28:19)
Grace of Jesus, Love of God, fellowship of Holy Spirit (2 Corinthians 13:14)

As was mentioned already, you have a pretty well irrefutable text demonstrating the distinctiveness of the three persons.

Matthew 3:13-17
13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him. 14 John would have prevented him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” 15 But Jesus answered him, “Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he consented. 16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; 17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son,[c] with whom I am well pleased.”

Conclusion? The doctrine of the Trinity is true.


I love when someone can post it better than me.......the Word Speaks ..thank you. (exhale) :cool:
 
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jimmydiggs

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I love when someone can post it better than me.......the Word Speaks ..thank you. (exhale) :cool:
I seek to serve, and testify.

This is the best pictoral aide I have seen.
 
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Strong1

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#23
Nice. Now we wait for a response..........
 
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jimmydiggs

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#24
Some other stuff I had in a word file I had prepared for this issue:

1) There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5).

2) The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:26, 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8; 48:16; 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17; 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis 1:1; the Hebrew plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26; 3:22 11:7and Isaiah 6:8; the plural pronoun for “us” is used. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun “us” are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. While this is not an explicit argument for the Trinity, it does denote the aspect of plurality in God. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity.


Each member of the Trinity is God.
The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2)
The Son is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20).
The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16).

Subordination within the Trinity:
Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the son (John 14:16; 14:26; 15:26; 16:7; and especially John 16:13-14.)
Son is subordinate to the Father (Luke 22:42; John 5:36; John 20:21; and 1 John 4:14)

Can’t phathom it?
Romans 11:33-34
33 Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and[a] knowledge of God!
How unsearchable his judgments,
and his paths beyond tracing out!
34 “Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?”

There are some repeats.
 
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jimmydiggs

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#25
Summary of the main points of the Doctrine of the Trinity:

The Trinity
  1. God is three persons
  2. Each person is divine
  3. There is only one God.

  1. Each of the three persons is completely divine in nature though each is not the totality of the Godhead.
  2. Each of the three persons is not the other two persons.
  3. Each of the three persons is related to the other two, but are distinct from them.

CARM has some more detail (though not extensive) on the usage of some terms such as "persons".

What is the Trinity? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry <--- click

I also recommend this resource: Boettner - The Trinity <--- click
 
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Strong1

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#26
A great portfolio of information! Curious......what are you studying in school?
 
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jimmydiggs

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A great portfolio of information! Curious......what are you studying in school?
Secondary Education - Social Studies.

I hope to teach in a Christian school.

I'm hoping for a Masters in History or Seminary after my B.S.E. I would prefer seminary though.
 
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Strong1

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#28
Awesome! Go at it, ....I've read many of your posts, and i know the spirit of God resides in you. You seem well beyond your years ;)
 
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Strong1

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#29
I would agree :) It does declare God to be one though!
Is it safe to assume you are not really seeking after truth, but rather looking for others who believe what you do?
Mr. Diggs gave ample scripture in answer to your questions.................and your no where to be found? hmmmm.
 
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jimmydiggs

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Awesome! Go at it, ....
Yeah, another option I have considered but it's fairly low on the list of possibilities, is a Masters in TESOL so I could teach English in other countries. Thus, being a self-supplying missionary. :)

I've read many of your posts, and i know the spirit of God resides in you.
I think that's a little premature.

You seem well beyond your years
I'm quite foolish.
 
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jimmydiggs

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#31
Is it safe to assume you are not really seeking after truth, but rather looking for others who believe what you do?
Mr. Diggs gave ample scripture in answer to your questions.................and your no where to be found? hmmmm.
To be fair, I didn't post only one verse.

Secondarily, according to his profile tracker, it says he hasn't left the thread for an hour.
 
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cmckey7127

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#32
Ok well this is getting slightly out of hand. Everyone is posting, but no one is answering the question given.
So I will settle this with a simple explanation of what I believe about God, then you can take it or leave it.

I believe that the Trinity is a false doctrine pushed in by the Catholic church to allow a small bit of paganism in the Church.
I find no biblical evidence of the apostles believing in such a God. Actually In Matthew 28:19 when Jesus commanded them to Baptize in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. They went and Baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ. (Acts 2:38) Showing that they understood that Father Son, and Holy ghost are tittles Jesus is the name.

I also will make the same statement I made earlier and That is Isaiah 9:6 where they give a Prophecy saying "

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." Here it calls The Son (Jesus) the Father, and the counsellor which is the Holy ghost.

I do recognize diffrent roles God play's in. But In light of the Shama I can not believe that There is 3 Deitys that somehow make up one God! Because that is not in the bible, The bible is about Jesus, And Jesus is God Manifest in flesh for the salvation of mankind. The Father is God manifest as are Creator, and the Father of the man Jesus, And the holy Ghost is God in action, or the spirit of Restoration. But all these three manifestations NOT PERSONS equal 1 God.

That's the short version. If you have questions pleas ask one at a time.
 
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cmckey7127

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#33
Mr. Digg's I would like to discuss this with you more. I was away from the computer most of this conversation. thank you for your attempt at answering my questions so far.
 
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Well hello!
All you Christians out there I want YOUR opinion!

I have studied this doctrine defined as the Trinity, and I tend to see a lot of issues with it. So I am just curious is someone that actually knows anything about it. (Not what you have always been taught, But what you have Studied) Would give me a brief but intellectual standpoint on it, in hopes of a discussion. What is the Trinity in your own words? And from a biblical point of view Why do you believe it?

Trinity one-liner...

The Father, Son and Spirit are each simultaneously the One God, but not each other.


True Christians are Trinitarian.



 
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cmckey7127

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#35
Bowman: I completely disagree with you.
You will know them by there Fruits, Not by whether they believe the trinity!

Thank you for your short and to the point answer though.
 
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Bowman: I completely disagree with you.
You will know them by there Fruits, Not by whether they believe the trinity!

Thank you for your short and to the point answer though.

The God of the Holy Bible has revealed Himself as Triune...to reject the way He has revealed Himself is to reject Him.
 
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cmckey7127

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#37
Ok, show me scripture explaining you're last statement. Where does God define himself as triune?
 
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cmckey7127

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#39
Ok Ill go back. Pleas read my previous post. About my belief's and comment it's just a few up. And I will check out yours.
 
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jimmydiggs

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Ok Ill go back. Pleas read my previous post. About my belief's and comment it's just a few up. And I will check out yours.
In a moment, I want to finish an assignment for class. Should take at most ten minutes if I can stay concentrated.