GOD CREATES EVIL

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Isaiah 45: 7; I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Job 2: 10; But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

Job 42: 11; Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.

2 Samuel 24: 16; And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, the Lord repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, It is enough: stay now thine hand. And the angel of the Lord was by the threshingplace of Araunah the Jebusite.

Jeremiah 4: 6; Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction.

Jeremiah 5: 15; Lo, I will bring a nation upon you from far, O house of Israel, saith the Lord: it is a mighty nation, it is an ancient nation, a nation whose language thou knowest not, neither understandest what they say.

Jeremiah 6: 12-19; And their houses shall be turned unto others, with their fields and wives together: for I will stretch out my hand upon the inhabitants of the land, saith the Lord. For from the least of them even unto the greatest of them every one is given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace. Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the Lord. Thus saith the Lord, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken. Therefore hear, ye nations, and know, O congregation, what is among them. Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.

Amos 3: 6; Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?
 
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cfultz3

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Why don't you humble yourself and let His Spirit train you to divide His wor properly. You cannot call God a god of evil and think you are promoting Him. There is only one god of evil and it is certainly not Jehovah. Robot humble your pride.
 
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God created evil, people are evil. God created sin, people are sinners. Live with the TRUTH, we have to have CHRIST to make it through. God isn't evil, but people are sinners. There is ONLY 1 GOD, the problem is that you are still double minded.
 
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starfield

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God created evil, people are evil. God created sin, people are sinners. Live with the TRUTH, we have to have CHRIST to make it through. God isn't evil, but people are sinners. There is ONLY 1 GOD, the problem is that you are still double minded.
Those verses you posted do not imply that God creates sin (God is a righteous) rather He sends disaster as judgment for the wicked.
 
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Isaiah 45: 7; I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Job 2: 10; But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

Job 42: 11; Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.

2 Samuel 24: 16; And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, the Lord repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, It is enough: stay now thine hand. And the angel of the Lord was by the threshingplace of Araunah the Jebusite.

Jeremiah 4: 6; Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction.

Jeremiah 5: 15; Lo, I will bring a nation upon you from far, O house of Israel, saith the Lord: it is a mighty nation, it is an ancient nation, a nation whose language thou knowest not, neither understandest what they say.

Jeremiah 6: 12-19; And their houses shall be turned unto others, with their fields and wives together: for I will stretch out my hand upon the inhabitants of the land, saith the Lord. For from the least of them even unto the greatest of them every one is given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace. Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the Lord. Thus saith the Lord, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken. Therefore hear, ye nations, and know, O congregation, what is among them. Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.

Amos 3: 6; Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

And.........?
 

RickyZ

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It's not that God creates evil. It's that evil is created in God's absence.
 
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Those verses you posted do not imply that God creates sin (God is a righteous) rather He sends disaster as judgment for the wicked.
This is right. God is righteous and holy, something that you're ignoring Robot. God being righteous means he is sinless, sin is not in him, evil is not in him, it's not a part of God's nature.

And if you really want to be technical, evil is just an abstract concept and not some material creation.
 
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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FREE WILL! READ WHAT HIS WORD SAYS! DON'T LISTEN TO MANKIND! GO TO HIS WORD!

James 1: 18; Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

John 1: 13; Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 5: 21; For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

Romans 9: 16; So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

John 6: 39; And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Psalm 110: 3; Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

Ezekiel 36: 9-12; For, behold, I am for you, and I will turn unto you, and ye shall be tilled and sown: And I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, even all of it: and the cities shall be inhabited, and the wastes shall be builded: And I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better unto you than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I am the Lord. Yea, I will cause men to walk upon you, even my people Israel; and they shall possess thee, and thou shalt be their inheritance, and thou shalt no more henceforth bereave them of men.

Jeremiah 4: 6; Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction.

Jeremiah 4: 27-28; For thus hath the Lord said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.

Daniel 4: 35; And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

John 6: 44; No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6: 63-66; It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
 
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Hello everyone, i am saying this here as it has to do with what i was thinking as i was reading through the forums. would you all like me to merge this forum with Stillys forum post free will created evil? please let me know soon if you would like and i would be glad to. but i am not going to be on long :)
in Christ
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There is no such thing as free will. The problem is that people don't want to read HIS WORD for what it says. People constantly try to justify GOD, while HE does not need there justification! HE is GOD, just read HIS WORD and know that it is TRUE! ;-)
 
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There is no such thing as free will. The problem is that people don't want to read HIS WORD for what it says. People constantly try to justify GOD, while HE does not need there justification! HE is GOD, just read HIS WORD and know that it is TRUE! ;-)
But you in your willful ignorance have yet to reply to those scriptures which say we do have freewill.
 
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But you in your willful ignorance have yet to reply to those scriptures which say we do have freewill.
You did not freely form yourself in your mother's womb! Neither did you freely birth yourself! Stop the waves of the ocean freely if you can. Or how about stopping the light from shining, or the night from coming after the evening. Freely stop the moon from reflecting light then. Pull all the stars out of the night sky if you freely have control. You control absolutely nothing! Everything is in the control of GOD! HE does whatever HE wills. When you freely stop these actions from taking place, write me back then. Otherwise don't post such nonsense.
 
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In order to bring people closer to God there has to be a counterpart to good which is evil that will show the merits between the two. God does allow for that choice. When a person departs from his or her stance with goodness they will soon find out that the alternative is evil and that was something that was chosen certainly by their free will. It is when people find themselves gravitating away from God that they have a serious choice to make on whether to return to Him or follow the wayward path.

"Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I Strong." -- 2 CORINTHIANS 12:10 (KJV)
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"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose." -- ROMANS 8:28 (KJV)
 
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You did not freely form yourself in your mother's womb! Neither did you freely birth yourself! Stop the waves of the ocean freely if you can. Or how about stopping the light from shining, or the night from coming after the evening. Freely stop the moon from reflecting light then. Pull all the stars out of the night sky if you freely have control. You control absolutely nothing! Everything is in the control of GOD! HE does whatever HE wills. When you freely stop these actions from taking place, write me back then. Otherwise don't post such nonsense.
You prove, there, is free will
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psychomom

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You prove, there, is free will
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(unrelated scolding coming--apoolgies to all)

Green! You had us worried!! :(

Do not become ill, and then disappear for days without so much as a 'by your leave'.
This is my sternest momma voice, do you hear me, young man?
I was afraid you had histoplasmosis or some other atrocity.

Okay, golly, glad to have that out of my system. :)
And glad you're back---feeling okay?

You know how moms work...the moment we feel the relief, we vent! lol
Makes no sense, it's just a release for pent up worry, which I should never have in the first place. :rolleyes:

(unrelated scolding over--please resume your normal activities)

-ellie
 
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intercessorginger

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Great anwer cfultz3 !
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Jas 1:17
God is only good..there is no sin or wickedness in him. There is no evil in God.The heart(of man) is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Jer 17:9
 

starfield

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You prove, there, is free will
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(unrelated scolding coming--apoolgies to all)

Green! You had us worried!! :(

Do not become ill, and then disappear for days without so much as a 'by your leave'.
This is my sternest momma voice, do you hear me, young man?
I was afraid you had histoplasmosis or some other atrocity.

Okay, golly, glad to have that out of my system. :)
And glad you're back---feeling okay?

You know how moms work...the moment we feel the relief, we vent! lol
Makes no sense, it's just a release for pent up worry, which I should never have in the first place. :rolleyes:

(unrelated scolding over--please resume your normal activities)

-ellie
I know. Welcome back Green! I missed reading your posts.:D
 
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Trilogic

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Funny how everyone is trying to defend God here. The Bible clearly tells us he created evil. Water it down if you want to. I don't have a problem with it. Besides we'd have no definition of evil without God telling us in the first place. He creating evil may imply that he possesses evil (though i dont believe that). Id rather see it as he simply allowed it for a greater purpose than what we could possibly fathom with our mortal minds. One could be as simply as filtering out those who would desire to spend eternity with him doing things his way and not theirs. Nothing could be worse than giving an agent of freewill permission to exist side by side with Him knowing at anytime there could be rebellion. Deal with the sin and rebellion thing now and then enter eternity with agents of freewill who are completely willing to surrender that freewill to God for his eternal purposes.