Revelation 20:1-10 discussion

[zone]

kettle's on.
don't worry about Roger...
(he's amillennial, but he's had his shots)



Revelation 20
The Thousand Years
1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pita and a great chain. 2And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, 3and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.

4Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.

The Defeat of Satan
7And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. 9And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heavenb and consumed them, 10and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[RickShafer]

Sounds like the millennial reign.
This is how I always read it.
What is your take?

 

[webchatter]

Looks like a question of "Has this already happened in the past" or is it a future event I guess is the questiion.

 

[Abiding]

Im not so worried about Roger as i am of those
tipsy blocks pretending to be a step.

 

[zone]

Im not so worried about Roger as i am of those
tipsy blocks pretending to be a step.

i waz hoping you'd notice.
i got these things, but i dunno what they do

split pea soup and sourdough fer lunch...after those steps get magically fixed

 

[webchatter]

Since the cat is amilennial, I would assume this is the question.( Lovely house & setting by the way
I don't hold to all the dispensationalism views, but detail is given about the mark in the hand or forehead BEFORE the millenium, you can't buy or sell wheat etc. So the millenial can't be taken spiritually, it has to be literally.
Who has ever bought wheat spritually?
It's obviuos satan is not bound.
The war of Eze. 38 & 39 happens before the millenial & that has not yet happened either.
There are a lot of other things in the prophecy of the Bible which have to happen prior to the millenium, which have not yet happened.
The rest of the world didn't know what was happening in 70 ad in Jerusalem, so all of those prophecies about Jerusalem were not fulfilled by 70 ad.
Although Nero may have had the spirit of the antichrist, he was not the last antichrist spoken of in the first prophecy of Christ in Gen.3:15.

 

[Grandpa]

Sounds like the millennial reign.
This is how I always read it.
What is your take?

Colossians 2:13-15
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Satan was defeated at the Cross of Christ.

 

[RickShafer]

I know gramps.
Are you saying that is what this passage is saying?
How does the thousand years fit into it?

 

[Abiding]

Im counting how many things we must take literally i see 5 or 6
hmmm this is gona b fun..and thats just verse 1

maybe ill learn this time why im supposed to take 5 or 6 things symbolically
but for sure the thousand is literal.

going to my get cool peasoup bowl.

 

[webchatter]

Satan has already been judged. He has been defeated spritually by the cross, but not yet literally bound.

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

March 1148
French forces are left in Attalia by King Louis VII who purchases passage on ships for himself and a few nobles to Antioch. Muslims quickly descend upon Attalia and kill nearly every Frenchman there.

May 25, 1148
Crusaders set out to capture Damascus. The army consists of forces under the command of Baldwin III, survivors of Conrad III's trip across Anatolia, and the cavalry of Louis VII which had sailed directly to Jerusalem (his infantry was supposed to march to Palestine, but they were all killed along the way).

July 28, 1148
Crusaders are forced to withdraw from their siege of Damascus after only a week, partly as a result of the three leaders (Baldwin III, Conrad III, and Louis VII) being unable to agree on almost anything. The political divisions among the Crusaders stand in sharp contrast to the greater unity among the Muslims in the region - a unity that would only increase later under the dynamic and successful leadership of Saladin. With this, the Second Crusade is effectively finished.

1149
A Crusading army under Raymond of Antioch is destroyed by Nur ad-Din Mahmud bin Zengi (son of Imad ad-Din Zengi, founder of the Zengid Dynasty) near the Fountain of Murad. Raymond is among those killed, reportedly fighting until the very end. One of Nur ad-Din's lieutenants, Saladin (Kurdish nephew of Nur al-Din's best general, Shirkuh), would rise to prominence in the coming conflicts.

July 15, 1149
The Crusader Church of the Holy Sepulcher is officially dedicated.

1150
Fatimid rulers fortify the Egyptian city of Ascalon with 53 towers.

MADE 'EM MYSELF ... MORE TEA PLEASE ...

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[RickShafer]

I know the book of Revelation is symbolic, almost entirely figurative after chapter 3.
But, for the most part the symbolism is pretty clear.
If the millenial kingdom has already happened, I can't imagine when. Unless you transpose the verse, "a day is as a thousand years".
Which, at least to me, is stretching it a bit.

 

[Abiding]

I think shes checking the bread.
Old wood cookstove make the best yumm.
Nope no stretching needed here.

 

[Abiding]

Satan has already been judged. He has been defeated spritually by the cross, but not yet literally bound.

2 Thessalonians 2:6-9

6 And now ye know(really we know? where does it tell us that) what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

kinda wondered if zone found verse 8 any parallel to gog/magog in rev 20
i best not take off on this thread till after souptime

 

[Grandpa]

I know gramps.
Are you saying that is what this passage is saying?
How does the thousand years fit into it?

The things in Revelation describe what John saw in the spiritual world. How does the spiritual world work? How does 1000 years there apply here?

I wish I knew. Perhaps it is a literal 1000 yrs here too. Perhaps not. The Lord said it was not given to man to know the exact time of His coming. I suppose He meant it.

 

[RickShafer]

I just don't see any chaining of Satan yet.
Look back in world history.
Wars, disease, plagues, wars, famine, false religions, in equity, .....I mean just look.
There is not even a short time when blood wasn't being spilled rampantly.
Just check world history out. It's not even close to anything God would set up.
So it must be spiritual? Well, last I checked we are well past a thousand years since Jesus was here in the flesh.
Plus, we must take head to what Paul said to the thessalonians, who were worried that the great day of the Lord had already come. - II Thess.2
I see no way that any reign of Jesus Christ has been established yet on this earth, as in the fulfillment of the prophecies about Him setting up His kingdom, and ruling it with a rod of iron. The only iron I see is that of the iron fist of fascism/communism. I don't see any peaceful time between now and the ascension.
So I think it is in the future.
I think the scripture in II Thess. attests to that.

 

[crossnote]

I just don't see any chaining of Satan yet.
Look back in world history.
Wars, disease, plagues, wars, famine, false religions, in equity, .....I mean just look.
There is not even a short time when blood wasn't being spilled rampantly.
Just check world history out. It's not even close to anything God would set up.
So it must be spiritual? Well, last I checked we are well past a thousand years since Jesus was here in the flesh.
Plus, we must take head to what Paul said to the thessalonians, who were worried that the great day of the Lord had already come. - II Thess.2
I see no way that any reign of Jesus Christ has been established yet on this earth, as in the fulfillment of the prophecies about Him setting up His kingdom, and ruling it with a rod of iron. The only iron I see is that of the iron fist of fascism/communism. I don't see any peaceful time between now and the ascension.
So I think it is in the future.
I think the scripture in II Thess. attests to that.

oh, didn't you know those chains were just 'figurative ' :-D

stop it you guys..I looove sour dough bread...and not the figurative kind.

 

[Abiding]

I just don't see any chaining of Satan yet.
Look back in world history.
Wars, disease, plagues, wars, famine, false religions, in equity, .....I mean just look.
There is not even a short time when blood wasn't being spilled rampantly.
Just check world history out. It's not even close to anything God would set up.
So it must be spiritual? Well, last I checked we are well past a thousand years since Jesus was here in the flesh.
Plus, we must take head to what Paul said to the thessalonians, who were worried that the great day of the Lord had already come. - II Thess.2
I see no way that any reign of Jesus Christ has been established yet on this earth, as in the fulfillment of the prophecies about Him setting up His kingdom, and ruling it with a rod of iron. The only iron I see is that of the iron fist of fascism/communism. I don't see any peaceful time between now and the ascension.
So I think it is in the future.
I think the scripture in II Thess. attests to that.

Dont think i wanna steer the thread while shes slaving over a hot stove.
Just a question to consider....satan for sure is active in the world to limited
capacity but with that said:

suppose there actually wasnt any demons or satan in this world ....do you think
man would have a hard go of it killing and warring?

 

[RickShafer]

You are right Abiding. Man might be wicked enough to pull off what has happened as far as wars go.
But do you think there would be diseases like the black plague(1400's), and others (polio in the early 20th century) under a reign of Christ?
Or false religions(which hold sway over mankind's spirits), like Islam started in the 600's?
Just questions.

 

[Love4Truth]

Dont think i wanna steer the thread while shes slaving over a hot stove.
Just a question to consider....satan for sure is active in the world to limited
capacity but with that said:

suppose there actually wasnt any demons or satan in this world ....do you think
man would have a hard go of it killing and warring?

No, because of The Nature of Man, they would still do those things.

God Bless