Our Relationship With Christ

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BLC

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When we first believed we all began a personal relationship with Christ. That relationship was based on receiving His love and grace that was toward us as sinners. We grew in that relationship more and more and began to know who He is and what He is like in His own divine nature and character and according to all His good works toward men. We learned to pray to Him in a personal way. We talked and learned to walk with Him personally. We learned to go to Him with our needs and with things that we did not understand. We learned to read and study the word of God in seeking His personal will for our life. These are all precious things that the Holy Spirit guided and comforted us in our personal relationship with Christ, the Son of God, who died and shed His blood for all men.

The believer also must have a corporate relationship with Christ in the body with other believers. That relationship reveals Christ as head with the government of God resting upon His shoulders (Is 9:6,7). In that government there is an anointing of unity and oneness with the brethren that comes from the head (as dew) and flows down all the way to the bottom of the skirt and is good and pleasant to God and where God commands a blessing, even life forever more (Ps 133). In the body of that government the fullness of God dwells that filleth all in all (Eph 1:23) and we can all receive of that fullness experientially by grace and though grace (John 1:16). A believer can be blessed in their personal relationship with God but they will never be in the place where God commands the full blessing until they learn how to have a corporate relationship with Christ in His body.

Our corporate relationship with Christ as our head, does not do away with our personal relationship. It is our personal relationship with God and with one another that makes up our corporate relationship with Him. We are members one of another and of His body, flesh and bones (Eph 4:25, 5:30). We are made to function in Christ together as one body as members one of another. Each member has a supply for one another. Look at this passage that Paul writes to the church at Ephesus.

Eph 4:15,16 'But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love'.

This is not something that God does randomly and only makes available to those who want it. It is by design and the will of God which He has purposed in Himself and is accomplished through those that have been given to the church in (v/10-15) of that chapter because of the truth of what Paul is saying in (v/1-9). Read the whole chapter.

We are to take our personal relationship with Christ into a corporate expression with other believers so that we can give and receive from one another the supply that God has given us through the Holy Spirit so that we can receive of God's fullness through the measure of every part and increase the edification of the body in love. This is what that is saying and there are many that come to this site and have a personal relationship with Christ but not a corporate one. They are blessed on occasions when things are going good for them or when God answers their prayer, but they are not in a place where God commands a blessing.

When a believer has a corporate fellowship with Christ through His body, they are in a place where God commands a blessing to be continually filled with the Spirit (Eph 5:18), to have the fullness of God's joy (Ps 16:11, John 15:11, 1Jn 1:4), to have life more abundantly (Jn 10:10) and to comprehend the many facets and dimensions of God's love (Eph 3;18,19) and to bear all the fruit that Christ has ordained for the church, his body (Jn 15:16,Col 1:18).
 

phil36

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Yep, probably the major theme of Ephesians is 'unity' within the body of Christ. It is one of my favourite books in the bible.

and along with a few others passages, vv 3-4 are my fav's to recite to myself at the moment.... something we should at times remember is that there is ' unity in diversity' within the global body of Christ.

Soli Deo Gloria

Phil
 
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Good Post. Our relationship with Christ is one we have to not only be responsible with ourselves and our corporate relationship(s) do not replaces that requirement. When we all go home, God's certainly not going to blame brother so-and-so for our shallow relationship with him.

I completely agree with your comments concerning our role in the body of Christ. It is a shame that we Christians have a problem with this. My heart genuinely longs for it.

I do thnk that we have to use much care and prayer involved with Eph 4:15. A great many christians hide behind it as justification for very hurtful deeds. But if love is involved the concern is moot.
 

pickles

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I do so love it when Our Lord comferms his will. I always talked to Jesus throughout my life. The last three years I have spoken to Our Father more. Mostly because of the healing of knowing him as my father. Reciently I felt called to talk to Jesus again. My thoughts were if I speak to Our Father I speak to all. But He wanted me to talk to Jesus, he let me know through scripture and a few known ways to me . Last night , Our Father brought home his will with me. Im back to talking more to Jesus. Im not sure exactly how three in one works , yet I know that the three are there as much as one. Our Father let me know he is always there for me, but when I asked who was I to look to as the head , he let me know it is Jesus. It was so quick and spacific an answer when I asked him, that I laughed at his humor. So Jesus is who I speak to now but I still talk to Our Father every night too. I look forward to seeing how it all comes together when he calls me home. God bless, pickles
 

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The believer also must have a corporate relationship with Christ in the body with other believers. That relationship reveals Christ as head with the government of God resting upon His shoulders (Is 9:6,7). In that government there is an anointing of unity and oneness with the brethren that comes from the head (as dew) and flows down all the way to the bottom of the skirt and is good and pleasant to God and where God commands a blessing, even life forever more (Ps 133). In the body of that government the fullness of God dwells that filleth all in all (Eph 1:23) and we can all receive of that fullness experientially by grace and though grace (John 1:16). A believer can be blessed in their personal relationship with God but they will never be in the place where God commands the full blessing until they learn how to have a corporate relationship with Christ in His body.

Our corporate relationship with Christ as our head, does not do away with our personal relationship. It is our personal relationship with God and with one another that makes up our corporate relationship with Him. We are members one of another and of His body, flesh and bones (Eph 4:25, 5:30). We are made to function in Christ together as one body as members one of another. Each member has a supply for one another.
Many believers don't want to fellowship with God in the body of Christ. Preachers don't want to thoroughly teach about the body of Christ, because if they do then they will have to live it and be accountable to God to continue in it as an example to the flock of God. When you teach about the body of Christ you are dealing with a living organism and not an organized church. That living organism receives life from the head, Jesus Christ.

The church was not designed or meant to be an organized church but rather a living and breathing organism of body, flesh and bones united in one faith, having one Lord and one Spirit (Eph 4:4,5). And because God does everything decently and in order, that organism will be organized under the headship of Christ to fulfill the work that it has been called to do. That headship will include those that have been given to the church for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry and for the edifying of the body of Christ (Eph 4:11,12). Until we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect (mature) man, and unto the measure and stature of the fullness of Christ that is in His body (Eph 1:23, 4:13).

The Holy Spirit groans in our heart for that kind of church that is a living organism (Rom 8:26). Sometimes we pray in earnest and that is what the Holy Spirit is doing and desiring in our hearts. The love that the Holy Spirit wants to shed abroad in our hearts is a corporate love where two are better than one (Eccl 4:9), and a three fold cord can not be broken (Eccl 4:12) and five will chase a hundred and a hundred will send ten thousand to flight (Lev 26:8). The safety that is in a multitude of counselors (Prov 11:14, 24:6) is a principle of the body of Christ as one body with many members (Rom 12:4,5) that are hid with Christ in God (Col 3:3) and that dwell together in that hiding place, the secret place of the Most High (Ps 91:1) where they are protected and the wicked one can't touch them (1Jn 2:13,14, 5:18).
 

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Read the Amplified Version of (Eph 4:1-16)

1 I THEREFORE, the prisoner for the Lord, appeal to and beg you to walk (lead a life) worthy of the [divine] calling to which you have been called [with behavior that is a credit to the summons to God's service,
2 Living as becomes you] with complete lowliness of mind (humility) and meekness (unselfishness, gentleness, mildness), with patience, bearing with one another and making allowances because you love one another.
3 Be eager and strive earnestly to guard and keep the harmony and oneness of [and produced by] the Spirit in the binding power of peace.
4 [There is] one body and one Spirit--just as there is also one hope [that belongs] to the calling you received--
5 [There is] one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of [us] all, Who is above all [Sovereign over all], pervading all and [living] in [us] all.
7 Yet grace (God's unmerited favor) was given to each of us individually [not indiscriminately, but in different ways] in proportion to the measure of Christ's [rich and bounteous] gift.
8 Therefore it is said, When He ascended on high, He led captivity captive [He led a train of vanquished foes] and He bestowed gifts on men.
9 [But He ascended?] Now what can this, He ascended, mean but that He had previously descended from [the heights of] heaven into [the depths], the lower parts of the earth?
10 He Who descended is the [very] same as He Who also has ascended high above all the heavens, that He [His presence] might fill all things (the whole universe, from the lowest to the highest).
11 And His gifts were [varied; He Himself appointed and gave men to us] some to be apostles (special messengers), some prophets (inspired preachers and expounders), some evangelists (preachers of the Gospel, traveling missionaries), some pastors (shepherds of His flock) and teachers.
12 His intention was the perfecting and the full equipping of the saints (His consecrated people), [that they should do] the work of ministering toward building up Christ's body (the church),
13 [That it might develop] until we all attain oneness in the faith and in the comprehension of the [full and accurate] knowledge of the Son of God, that [we might arrive] at really mature manhood (the completeness of personality which is nothing less than the standard height of Christ's own perfection), the measure of the stature of the fullness of the Christ and the completeness found in Him.
14 So then, we may no longer be children, tossed [like ships] to and fro between chance gusts of teaching and wavering with every changing wind of doctrine, [the prey of] the cunning and cleverness of unscrupulous men, [gamblers engaged] in every shifting form of trickery in inventing errors to mislead.
15 Rather, let our lives lovingly express truth [in all things, speaking truly, dealing truly, living truly]. Enfolded in love, let us grow up in every way and in all things into Him Who is the Head, [even] Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One).
16 For because of Him the whole body (the church, in all its various parts), closely joined and firmly knit together by the joints and ligaments with which it is supplied, when each part [with power adapted to its need] is working properly [in all its functions], grows to full maturity, building itself up in love.
 
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Many believers don't want to fellowship with God in the body of Christ. Preachers don't want to thoroughly teach about the body of Christ, because if they do then they will have to live it and be accountable to God to continue in it as an example to the flock of God. When you teach about the body of Christ you are dealing with a living organism and not an organized church. That living organism receives life from the head, Jesus Christ.

The church was not designed or meant to be an organized church but rather a living and breathing organism of body, flesh and bones united in one faith, having one Lord and one Spirit (Eph 4:4,5). And because God does everything decently and in order, that organism will be organized under the headship of Christ to fulfill the work that it has been called to do. That headship will include those that have been given to the church for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry and for the edifying of the body of Christ (Eph 4:11,12). Until we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect (mature) man, and unto the measure and stature of the fullness of Christ that is in His body (Eph 1:23, 4:13).

The Holy Spirit groans in our heart for that kind of church that is a living organism (Rom 8:26). Sometimes we pray in earnest and that is what the Holy Spirit is doing and desiring in our hearts. The love that the Holy Spirit wants to shed abroad in our hearts is a corporate love where two are better than one (Eccl 4:9), and a three fold cord can not be broken (Eccl 4:12) and five will chase a hundred and a hundred will send ten thousand to flight (Lev 26:8). The safety that is in a multitude of counselors (Prov 11:14, 24:6) is a principle of the body of Christ as one body with many members (Rom 12:4,5) that are hid with Christ in God (Col 3:3) and that dwell together in that hiding place, the secret place of the Most High (Ps 91:1) where they are protected and the wicked one can't touch them (1Jn 2:13,14, 5:18).
Great post. None of this priest go-between business.
 
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