When you die, you fgo to Heaven or Hell.
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"Going to heaven" and "going to hell" aren't even Biblical.
Watchmen, you are such a hypocrite, throwing around condemnation for other people's 'false teachings' when you yourself obviously don't even know what the Bible says.
The Apostles, especially Paul, clearly believed that the dead are just that--dead. They've not been set to their eternal rest yet.
Their souls, Luke's Gospel indicates, are aware of the passage of time and their impending judgement, but they are not 'in heaven' or 'in hell'. Paul refers to this as 'sleep'.
The Book of Revelation says that this place of the dead, that was called Sheol in Hebrew or Hades in Greek would be thrown into the lake of fire--along with the souls of the unrighteous. This is is the ONLY place in scripture than indicates eternal torment for the wicked.
The righteous will then be taken to what we call Heaven, which is actually said to be a CITY on the re-made Earth called New Jerusalem, not a far off cloud land full of angels with harps.
Watchmen, you are such a hypocrite, throwing around condemnation for other people's 'false teachings' when you yourself obviously don't even know what the Bible says.
The Apostles, especially Paul, clearly believed that the dead are just that--dead. They've not been set to their eternal rest yet.
Their souls, Luke's Gospel indicates, are aware of the passage of time and their impending judgement, but they are not 'in heaven' or 'in hell'. Paul refers to this as 'sleep'.
The Book of Revelation says that this place of the dead, that was called Sheol in Hebrew or Hades in Greek would be thrown into the lake of fire--along with the souls of the unrighteous. This is is the ONLY place in scripture than indicates eternal torment for the wicked.
The righteous will then be taken to what we call Heaven, which is actually said to be a CITY on the re-made Earth called New Jerusalem, not a far off cloud land full of angels with harps.
You are sadly mistaking. Paul tells us in 1st Thess 4:14 that the dead in Christ return from Heaven with Jesus, and Jesus confirms this Himself in Mark 13:27 when He gathers the elect from heaven (the dead) and from the earth (the living). Not to mention the fact that Christ went to preach to the souls in prision after His death before His resurrection 1st Peter 3:19. Further more ''Lukes gospel'' teel us of the story of Lazarus and the rich man, the rich man went directly to Hell after death,while Lazarus went to where the dead went before Christ's sacrafice. Luke also tells us that the man on the croos went to paradise with Jesus the very day of His death. Lastly Acts tells us that Jesus went to Hell when Hen , died and Jesus confirmed this in Matthew 12:40 telling us He would be in the heart or middle of the earth for 3 nights and 3 days. My first inclination is to strike back with some childish remark such as you referring to me as a hypocrite because I believe in Heaven and Hell, but I relalize you are not truly a Christian, therefore cannot discern scripture correctly, so I understand why you are mislead, and pray one day you will truly know the truth (the person and His word)
By the way Heaven and Hell is not the final stop. New Jerusalem is for believers and The Lake of Fire is for unbelievers.
By the way Heaven and Hell is not the final stop. New Jerusalem is for believers and The Lake of Fire is for unbelievers.
woah was i off base in my reading of that scripture... I thought it was referring to the fact that Christ would be in the tomb where they placed him after his death, awaiting the resurrection on day 3. I suppose the proof is in the "heart" what are the translations with respect to this word? what word did it originate from? I had no clue that Christ went to Hell before he was resurrected... anyone else have thoughts on this as for some reason it doesnt ring true to me.
you are right imoss it does go back to what the priginal Greek mean of the word translated heart mreans. I look up the word ''heart'' used in Matthew 12:40
Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
An oddly enough it is the same Greek word ''Kardia'' that is used when speaking of the heart or emotions of a human, but when I look at what it actually meant it means.....the heart figuritively speaking, the oughts or felling of a persons, the mind, or middle. So seeing as the Earth is not a person and has no feeling or thoughts, the reference to the heart of the earth has to mean exactly what I had originally thought which is the middle or center of the earth. That is where Hell is located, that is where Jesus descended to after His death and before His resurrection.
P.S. remember this as well Abrahams Bossom or ''paradise'' was in the center of the earth as well. (That is were the Old Testament saints went to await the coming of Messiah)
Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
An oddly enough it is the same Greek word ''Kardia'' that is used when speaking of the heart or emotions of a human, but when I look at what it actually meant it means.....the heart figuritively speaking, the oughts or felling of a persons, the mind, or middle. So seeing as the Earth is not a person and has no feeling or thoughts, the reference to the heart of the earth has to mean exactly what I had originally thought which is the middle or center of the earth. That is where Hell is located, that is where Jesus descended to after His death and before His resurrection.
P.S. remember this as well Abrahams Bossom or ''paradise'' was in the center of the earth as well. (That is were the Old Testament saints went to await the coming of Messiah)
No it doesn't.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.[a]
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Show me where it says they're in heaven. It doesn't. They're 'asleep'.
Hm?
26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.
In this entire passage, the word heaven means the sky, or the cosmos. This says nothing about a paradise dimension that holds the dead in Christ.
In prison meant in Sheol/Hades. This has nothing to do with your concept of heaven and hell.
"Hell" here is translated from Hades, or Sheol, once again the mutual holding place of all the dead in the Jewish faith. Notice that the rich man is able to talk to Lazarus. They're in the same place, just with a gulf between them.
Also not the same thing as the 'heaven' you believe in.
Considering that Jesus was actually dead for only one day and two nights, I think we can take this as poetic language.
Because you're a childish person. I said hypocrite not because you believe in heaven and hell but becasue you claim to believe in the infallibility of Scripture and yet condemn those who show you from scripture that your views are wrong.
The Truth means nothing to you. You want to cling to your fairly-tale fantasy version of Christianity despite all the evidence that you're wrong.
Well at least this portion of your beliefs is Biblical. Congradulations.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.[a]
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Show me where it says they're in heaven. It doesn't. They're 'asleep'.
Hm?
26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.
In this entire passage, the word heaven means the sky, or the cosmos. This says nothing about a paradise dimension that holds the dead in Christ.
In prison meant in Sheol/Hades. This has nothing to do with your concept of heaven and hell.
"Hell" here is translated from Hades, or Sheol, once again the mutual holding place of all the dead in the Jewish faith. Notice that the rich man is able to talk to Lazarus. They're in the same place, just with a gulf between them.
Also not the same thing as the 'heaven' you believe in.
Considering that Jesus was actually dead for only one day and two nights, I think we can take this as poetic language.
Because you're a childish person. I said hypocrite not because you believe in heaven and hell but becasue you claim to believe in the infallibility of Scripture and yet condemn those who show you from scripture that your views are wrong.
The Truth means nothing to you. You want to cling to your fairly-tale fantasy version of Christianity despite all the evidence that you're wrong.
Well at least this portion of your beliefs is Biblical. Congradulations.
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I agree with that. When a sinner dies he/she goes to Hell to await Judgment, and then after Judgment Hell itself will be cast into the lake of fire the sinner with it.
Revelation 20
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Likewise believers when they die go to Heaven until the resurrection, and when Jesus return from Heaven they come with Him, they receive their new heavenly bodies, reign with Christ on the earth for the 1,000 Millennial reign, and then live in New Jerusalem with God forever.
Revelation 20
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Likewise believers when they die go to Heaven until the resurrection, and when Jesus return from Heaven they come with Him, they receive their new heavenly bodies, reign with Christ on the earth for the 1,000 Millennial reign, and then live in New Jerusalem with God forever.
Look, I don't begrudge you for believing what you believe. I'm just pointing out that it contradicts the Bible.
So you have no grounds to tell others that they're teaching or believing false doctrine.
Ecclesiastes 9:5
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
So you have no grounds to tell others that they're teaching or believing false doctrine.
Ecclesiastes 9:5
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Actually I believe exactly what the New Testament teaches about Heaven and Hell, and will challenge false doctrines when I see them, especially dangerous one such as OSAS, and the pretrib rapture. Oh and the one you promote, that God allows unrepentant, Chronic sin in the lives of believers. HE DOES NOT
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i was taught by a presbytherian pastor that when beleivers and unbeleivers die, they go to this place called hades..the believers go to one(good) side and the unbelivers go to the other(bad) side...this would make sense since the rich man was begging lazarus to give him some water..which indicates that the rich man wanted to cross over to the other side
but then again,hades refers to hell right? so why would God sent believers to hell?
all of it is really confusing..everybody seems right..lol
we might not agree on where we go when we die but lets stay respectful towards one another.
God bless!
but then again,hades refers to hell right? so why would God sent believers to hell?
all of it is really confusing..everybody seems right..lol
we might not agree on where we go when we die but lets stay respectful towards one another.
God bless!
Beliefs change and evolve over time. The Jews of Moses' time didn't believe in any afterlife at all, and the early church didn't always agree on the matter either. It's not surprising that there is disagreement over what should be the canonical interpretation of the afterlife, but you're right that we should be respectful in our disagreement. I'm sorry for using harsh language with you watchmen; I often warn others against being judgmental and I should practice what I preach.
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