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No I don't, because no man knows the date, so when any man gives a time and date you can be assured that that is not the date and time, because Jesus has said that no man knows the time or date for His return...
He might return tomorrow or in 200 years time, I don't know when, I have no idea when He will return, hopefully sooner then later, I know one thing; that things are going to get progressively worse until He does return...
He might return tomorrow or in 200 years time, I don't know when, I have no idea when He will return, hopefully sooner then later, I know one thing; that things are going to get progressively worse until He does return...
You have nade a couple mistakes in your post cup of ruin.
#1 Jesus did not say ''no one knows the time or date'', He said no one knows the day or hour ''the tribulational saint will know that Christ will be returning very soon. There is more than enough scripture to support that notion.
#2 Jesus could not return tomorrow the tribulation hasn't even started yet (although we are on the brink of it), and Christ returns after the Tribulation is over.
#3 Jesus is not returning in 200 years anyone who sees the signs of the times know that it will be within the next 10-20 years.
#1 Jesus did not say ''no one knows the time or date'', He said no one knows the day or hour ''the tribulational saint will know that Christ will be returning very soon. There is more than enough scripture to support that notion.
#2 Jesus could not return tomorrow the tribulation hasn't even started yet (although we are on the brink of it), and Christ returns after the Tribulation is over.
#3 Jesus is not returning in 200 years anyone who sees the signs of the times know that it will be within the next 10-20 years.
Hi watchman, I think you are being a bit picky concerning cup of ruins post, I would say he was going by memory when he said that. and he is right no one know's bar God.
You could be right it could be in the next 20 years but cup might rigt aswell in 200 years. My worry with all this is, that some people seem overly obsessed with predicting the end times.
Soli Deo Gloria
Phil
Matthew 16:3b...... O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
We are told by Christ to watch. Now what exactly are we to be watching for? The signs of the times. Why would He want us to watch if we could bnot discern them? The end is near, the signs are everywhere. Anyone with discernment knows that Christ is coming soon, not in 200 years.
We are told by Christ to watch. Now what exactly are we to be watching for? The signs of the times. Why would He want us to watch if we could bnot discern them? The end is near, the signs are everywhere. Anyone with discernment knows that Christ is coming soon, not in 200 years.
Originally Posted by watchmen
#2 Jesus could not return tomorrow the tribulation hasn't even started yet (although we are on the brink of it), and Christ returns after the Tribulation is over.
#2 Jesus could not return tomorrow the tribulation hasn't even started yet (although we are on the brink of it), and Christ returns after the Tribulation is over.
Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Jesus' return is immediately after the Tribulation therefore it could not be tomorrow.
Lol, so I am a hypocrite like the people to whom Jesus was speaking. All i was saying was , that it is not healthy to have an obsession the way some people do on here about the end times, predicting dates, telling us who the antichrist is and the list goes on, and anyhow, not all Christians would go along with your view on the end times, Most of what you hear comes from a dispensationalist stand point. I am not saying it is wrong but is it one hundred ercent correct, remember the Nation of Isreal were waiting for their Messiah to arrive, an He most certainly did, but was it in the manner to which they expected???
We can watch for the signs, but,my personal opinion is that your focus should be on the supremacy and Glory of our Lord and saviour not on an Historical event yet future.
Soli Deo Gloria
Phil
That was not my point at all, my point is that we can know the signs of the time, matter of fact we are told by Christ that we should know them, and He also tells us to watch for them. There is nothing wrong with knowing that you know Christ return is very near, and that we are now on the cusp of the Tribulation period. My point was not to infer that you were a hypocrite.
That being said the point remains, Jesus will not return tomorrow because we have yet to enter the tribulation, and He will not return 200 years from now because we are in the last of the last days now, so says the signs of the times.
That being said the point remains, Jesus will not return tomorrow because we have yet to enter the tribulation, and He will not return 200 years from now because we are in the last of the last days now, so says the signs of the times.
Now agree with you no one knows the exact day or hour of Christ's return, however when we are knee deep into the tribulation period we will know the approximate time of His return.
Many, many verses tells us this , such as Matthew 24:37-41, and 1st Thess 5:2-5 and so on. I do not get my information from dispensationalist, matter of fact I am about as anti dispensationalism as anyone you will meet. We most certainly should focus on the glory of Gods that is where are focus should be at all times, but we were commanded by Jesus Himself to watch for the signs of His return, and those signs are lining up and His return is on the arisen.
Many, many verses tells us this , such as Matthew 24:37-41, and 1st Thess 5:2-5 and so on. I do not get my information from dispensationalist, matter of fact I am about as anti dispensationalism as anyone you will meet. We most certainly should focus on the glory of Gods that is where are focus should be at all times, but we were commanded by Jesus Himself to watch for the signs of His return, and those signs are lining up and His return is on the arisen.
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Now i marvel greatly just how it is the devils knew that Christ was early in Matthew 8:29, indicating that the somehow have knowledge of the time yet the whole of the christian community does not have any knowledge of time. Who then are the children of light that we read about in 1 Thessalonians 5:4 that know what Christ does not??? I do believe we orght to know when and cant just go on what one single verse says. Bear in mind, God hid some information concerning the endtime events which He chose to reveal now cause we are at that time of the end as we read in Daniel 12:9, therefore it is paramount that we let the scripture correct our existing knowledge as we read in 2Timothy 3:16 in order to know that time. The jewish feast days were all signs of the time. Those who watch will not be surprised by Christ return unlike those who are not watching. To watch is to keep our eyes on the bible learning all that we can and not on cnn or bbc and so on.
No man knows the day or hour but we do know the signs and seasons. It is very clear in scriptures that Jesus comes after the tribulation.
Pro. 3:25-26, Pro. 10:30, Matt. 24:29-31, Matt. 13:30, 39, Mark 13:24-27, John 6:39, 40, 44, 54, John 11:24, John 16:13, John 17:15, 1 Thess. 2:1-9, 1 Cor. 15:52, Acts 14:22, Heb. 9:8, Rev. 7:14, Dan. 7:21 & Rev. 13:7, 15, etc.
Pro. 3:25-26, Pro. 10:30, Matt. 24:29-31, Matt. 13:30, 39, Mark 13:24-27, John 6:39, 40, 44, 54, John 11:24, John 16:13, John 17:15, 1 Thess. 2:1-9, 1 Cor. 15:52, Acts 14:22, Heb. 9:8, Rev. 7:14, Dan. 7:21 & Rev. 13:7, 15, etc.
Yeah most post-tribulationist use that passage to support their claim.
Nowhere in Matthew 24 mentions that the church will be part of this tribulation. In fact, those verses (29-31) are not the reference to the rapture of the church. Therefore, it is the second phase of the Second coming of Christ. Immediately after the tribulation, Christ will re-gather the elect for the millennium. If Matthew 24 talks about the rapture, we will not need angels to gather us because we will be like angels in the resurrection (Matthew 22:30).
Matthew 25:13 "Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh". No one knows, it might be tomorrow or next year.
Nowhere in Matthew 24 mentions that the church will be part of this tribulation. In fact, those verses (29-31) are not the reference to the rapture of the church. Therefore, it is the second phase of the Second coming of Christ. Immediately after the tribulation, Christ will re-gather the elect for the millennium. If Matthew 24 talks about the rapture, we will not need angels to gather us because we will be like angels in the resurrection (Matthew 22:30).
Matthew 25:13 "Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh". No one knows, it might be tomorrow or next year.
Please do not mislead believers into thinking that they will be going through the great tribulation period that includes the wrath of God. Christ will be coming for His bride, the church, before the tribulation period which includes every believer from the resurrection of Christ that have fallen asleep as the dead in Christ and those that remain alive, and they will be caught up together in the clouds of the air. The tribulation period is for the Jews (not the church), who will become God's mouthpiece and proclaim the Messiah when they realize that the son of perdition (antichrist) is not Christ their Messiah.
After the wrath of God has been poured out, Christ will come with his bride, the church, and all the guests of the OT saints and those of the tribulation period, to set up the kingdom upon the earth for a 1000 year reign. There are two parts (advents) to the second coming of Christ, one for the church and the other for the Jews and their converts. There is also two parts (advents) to the first resurrection that correspond with the second coming of Christ. There are two distinct bodies of people that God is dealing with, Israel and the church. The mystery of the church did not come until Jesus Christ had revealed it to the apostle Paul (Eph 3). None of the prophets knew anything about that mystery.
After the wrath of God has been poured out, Christ will come with his bride, the church, and all the guests of the OT saints and those of the tribulation period, to set up the kingdom upon the earth for a 1000 year reign. There are two parts (advents) to the second coming of Christ, one for the church and the other for the Jews and their converts. There is also two parts (advents) to the first resurrection that correspond with the second coming of Christ. There are two distinct bodies of people that God is dealing with, Israel and the church. The mystery of the church did not come until Jesus Christ had revealed it to the apostle Paul (Eph 3). None of the prophets knew anything about that mystery.
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once again you are presuming there is a 7 year tribulation spoken of in scripture. Given its based solely on a 2 big assumptions in Daniel 9 and no Christian historian even ever thought of the idea of a 7 year tribulation to an American in the mid 19th century it should be assumed Jesus will return but we are not to dwell and obsess on this fact. Do what God has given us to do. Be not a foolish virgin and gather the oil.
An excellent intro to non-dispensational bible prophecy can be found here. I highly reccomend it if you never heard or read an intelligent introduction to another view outside of the Left Behind Series.
An excellent intro to non-dispensational bible prophecy can be found here. I highly reccomend it if you never heard or read an intelligent introduction to another view outside of the Left Behind Series.
Guess again, no one was referring to the rapture at all, and the 2nd coming is the day which no one knows the day or hour of, but we do know through scripture that it is after the tribulation further more scripture does not teach 2 phases of the 2nd coming that is a lie created by satan and propugated by dispensationalist.
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