possible or impossible?

[crossnote]

Lk 1:37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.

Heb 6:4 For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.

 

[Jon4TheCross]

I'm sure you're asking if there is a contradiction here? If not, well, I'll respond after clarification. For now, that's what I think you're implying.

Nothing is impossible with God, correct, and both are true. It is possible for God to perform the act of lying, but it's impossible for God to lie. God could leave us, he has the power to, but he'll never leave us nor forsake us. I am dead, I am alive. Both are true.

 

[Therapon]

I'm sure you're asking if there is a contradiction here? If not, well, I'll respond after clarification. For now, that's what I think you're implying.

Nothing is impossible with God, correct, and both are true. It is possible for God to perform the act of lying, but it's impossible for God to lie. God could leave us, he has the power to, but he'll never leave us nor forsake us. I am dead, I am alive. Both are true.

Some things are indeed imposible with God, because of His sacred holy nature.: 1) God cannot go against His own Word or it would become untrue and He would ceast to be holy. 2) It is impossible for God to lie because the minute He speaks, whatever He says comes into being and becomes true.

Num 23:19 "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?"

Heb 6:17-18 "Wherein God, being minded to show more abundantly unto the heirs of the promise the immutability of his counsel, interposed with an oath; that by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we may have a strong encouragement, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us."

 

[crossnote]

more specifically why is the Hebrew passage impossible especially in light of the Luke passage.

 

[WolfInOxHide]

Heb 6:4 For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.

I believe this applies to a fall from election, rather than a fall from salvation.
6:1 seems to state the topic at hand
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection
6:9 revisits this topic at hand
9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

once enlightened
have tasted of the heavenly gift
were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
have tasted the good word of God
and the powers of the world to come

And I believe it's given as a reassurance that one cannot lose election. Because "if it were possible" the elect should also be deceived.
I believe it's stating the reason that God will shorten the days and not allow the elect to be deceived, is because it is impossible to reconcile that fall.

10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.

again

And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise. 16 For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.

The strife here being, the fear of loss of election, or possibly the reluctance to admit it.

Peace.

 

[PatientSpirit]

more specifically why is the Hebrew passage impossible especially in light of the Luke passage.

It means how it sounds, that it is IMPOSSIBLE, having once tasted the truth, and the world to come, to fall away again!

Those who believe cannot sin, having been born of God.

I've tasted of the world to come by faith in all being saved.

 

[Love4Truth]

It means how it sounds, that it is IMPOSSIBLE, having once tasted the truth, and the world to come, to fall away again!

Those who believe cannot sin, having been born of God.

I've tasted of the world to come by faith in all being saved.

Amen, and why is it Impossible?
Because The Love of God is shed abroad in their hearts, and they cannot (to themselves alone) crucify Him again.

For The Love of Christ constrains us.

God Bless

 

[damombomb]

Revelatons speaks on returning to your first love who is the Lord, and there is only one unforgivable sin, not that we should sin

 

[zone]

Lk 1:37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.

Heb 6:4 For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.

nothing is impossible for God.

that doesn't mean He is bound to do anything.

He clearly said in the Book to the Hebrews that those who came up close to the Gospel of the New Covenant...seeing and partaking of all the blessings of it..... and returned to the Law (Judaism)...:fell away", they would be recrucifying Him, putting Him to an open shame.

now it clearly says it is impossible to renew them again to repentance...and He said why.
whether this means He's not willing, or they are not, i can't say.

but one thing i have seen is hearts are hardened in that departure.

just look online for the tragic stories of nominal christians were lured (for example) into messianic judaism, and that some of those eventually depart from that entirely to judaism....they end up reviling the very idea of Jesus. and some working zealously to 'convince' former christian friends and family to depart also.

knowing what rabbinic judaism actually teaches about Jesus makes it clear - it puts Him to an open shame.

 

[Aniy]

Lk 1:37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.

Heb 6:4 For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.

Impossible for THEM as an individual.

For instance, if I renounce harming my temple, and revert to smoking. Then it has been impossible for me to abstain from this sin.

That is unforgiveable simply because my repentance was not true.

But forgiveness of sins is only one part of the becoming of men like 'beings of the heavens'.

Another is burning up wickedness and sin.

When one dies in the flesh, their flesh dies with them!!

' for he shall suffer loss, but he himself shall be saved'

'We shall not all die, but all shall be changed in an instant'.

 

[zone]

 

[Aniy]

So are you saying that as soon as you became 'saved' or whatever, that you have since never ever commited an act of willful sin?

 

[zone]

So are you saying that as soon as you became 'saved' or whatever, that you have since never ever commited an act of willful sin?

uh....noooooo?

what's this:

"as soon as you became 'saved' or whatever"?

 

[Aniy]

If your answer is 'no, I have never committed an act of wilful sin after realising Jesus', then good for you, because nobody else on earth except Jesus has ever accomplished that feat.

If your answer is 'yes, I have partaken in that which I know I shouldn't', then how do you expect your unforgiveable sin is treated? Because you're 'saved', and still going to heaven, right?

 

[zone]

If your answer is 'no, I have never committed an act of wilful sin after realising Jesus', then good for you, because nobody else on earth except Jesus has ever accomplished that feat.

If your answer is 'yes, I have partaken in that which I know I shouldn't', then how do you expect your unforgiveable sin is treated? Because you're 'saved', and still going to heaven, right?

look. i'm sure you're sincere in your beliefs.
but i'm really not interested in thrashing around in the Universalist Wave that has come in of late, ok?
surf it if you want.

why are you bringing the unforgiveable sin into a discussion of the OP? Heb 6:4-6

two different topics.

 

[Aniy]

When Paul spoke, he wasn't just talking about 'them'.

His prophecy was talking about himself. He expects himself to enter into the eternal flame and have part of him engulfed in it. Where the smoke rises for eternity. Where he himself suffers loss, but is made apart from his sins.

He tried not to sin because frankly, none of it was beneficial. His letters contain a great deal of his own personal revelation on law, sins, death, shame and guilt, and how God's love and Jesus' sacrifice fulfill the law of sin and death. That sin itself, and death, are put to death!

'For the saying will be fulfilled 'Death has been swallowed up in victory'.

We all sin wilfully sometimes, for whatever reason.

I expect re visitation and flame to that sin. And I accept it.

I will do my best not to sin. But some things of my mind are always going to slip by. Sometimes I will hate my brother. So I have murdered many men in my heart.

And I'm sorrowful for that. Because God, nor my brothers, really deserve it when all boils down. So I accept my punishment.

I am being truthful here. I am the same as you, Zone. Saved. I believe that Jesus died on the cross and rose 3 days later, holding the keys to Hades.

I put God as my creator, my master, and Jesus as my Lord and judge.

And I put my fellow man in the same position as I. Sinful and equal.

I wish to be last so that you may enter before me. I'll even open the door and usher you in.

 

[Aniy]

Because the unforgiveable sin is the subject of the thread ....

Crucifying Christ, turning from the enlightenent and putting Him to open shame .. the unpardonable sins. Repenting for a sin and then re-partaking in it.

 

[zone]

Because the unforgiveable sin is the subject of the thread ....

Crucifying Christ, turning from the enlightenent and putting Him to open shame .. the unpardonable sins. Repenting for a sin and then re-partaking in it.

okay....so confession of sins is meaningless and John wasted his breath....



anyway, its crossnote's thread.

my comment would be, no.
the OP is not about "the unpardonable sin"

ONE ISSUE

Heb 6:4 For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.

A DIFFERENT ISSUE

Matthew 12
Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit
22Then a demon-oppressed man who was blind and mute was brought to him, and he healed him, so that the man spoke and saw. 23And all the people were amazed, and said, “Can this be the Son of David?” 24But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons.” 25Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand. 26And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27And if I cast out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they will be your judges. 28But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29Or how can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house. 30Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. 31Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.


ALL SINS WILL BE FORGIVEN MEN, except the one above.
and it isn't committed by Christians.

k?

(sorry if this is a derailment crossnote)

 

[zone]

I am being truthful here. I am the same as you, Zone.

sorry.
you are not just like me, in terms of our beliefs.

i don't want this thread going the same direction so many have of late.
so take care then.
i wish you the best.
zone.

 

[crossnote]

Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame. Impossible for THEM as an individual.

Perhaps the key here is in "to renew them". Does this read 'for God to renew them' or 'for them to renew themselves'? If the latter that would answer the OP question.