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Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


All for whom Christ died, have been reconciled to God, by His death alone, not by their obedience, not by their faith, not by their repentance, but even while they were being enemies, unbelievers, children of wrath as others BY NATURE, now if this be the case, their being reconciled, they cannot be under condemnation and wrath as others Jn 3:18,36 even while being unbelievers !

You see, they cannot be both condemned and under wrath as enemies and reconciled to God as enemies at the same time !
 
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Please delete this thread because one already began. I accidently started it twice. Thanks !
 
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Don't really understand your post on reconciliation, but if you are saying we are reconciled to God while in sin, then you are taking that verse out of context, I urge you to please read what the word of God actually says about the reconciliation IN context!

The Ministry of Reconciliation!
Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation 2Cor5:18
In Apostolic times the disciples preached the Ministry of Reconciliation, which consisted of Repentance toward God and faith toward the Lord Jesus Christ. (Acts20:21) Christ Commanded that this Ministry be preached to all Nations, beginning in Jerusalem.. (Lk24:47) The Disciples were Eye Witnesses of these things and Obeyed to the Letter! They DID NOT Reason in their minds that the Covenant of Grace suddenly meant God was no longer concerned with sin because everything had been taken care of on the Cross. They Did Not travel the Country side telling people to Trust in the finished Work of Jesus Christ for their Salvation. Nor Did they EVER imply to ANYONE that their Future Sins were Already forgiven in Advance. Yet today THIS is the COMMON Message of so-called ‘Christian’ Ministers!

The Apostles Ministry was Simply Repentance and Faith BOTH PROVEN by DEEDS! (Acts26:18-20)
They NEVER Separated the Deeds from the Act because they Clearly understood the Nature of Divine Reconciliation. That it was NOT Based on some kind of Substitution or mysterious transfer taking place, BUT a Restoration of Favor determined on CONDITIONS! God had Granted man ‘Favor’ (Grace) so he could now Approach the Mercy Seat of ‘Reconciliation’ on CONDITION of a Repentance that included NOT Merely a ‘Change’ of Mind, but most important a STOPPING of Sin!

In this a Reconciliation between God and man could take place based on a CLEARING OF WRONG DOING. (2Cor7:10-11) Literally, ‘To Sit again with’ was established. (which is the clear meaning of the word) The Wronged Party (God) offered (Granted) the Guilty party (You!) an opportunity to Clear the Slate and Start over. The Wrong Doing (Sin) is satisfied (appeased) by the Blood of Christ. (The Sinless Victim) The Blood is applied to Penitent Soul to PURGE the Conscience and Purity the Heart. (Heb9:14)

Anything Short of this and Salvation or Redemption becomes a NOTION or something accepted in the Mind or intellect, but NOTHING Really changes inside. This is Why so many people who consider themselves Christians on the way to heaven, covered by Grace and forgiven in advance, remain Vile and Contrary to the Bible. To them the ‘Atonement’ (reconciliation) happened at ‘one time’ (Long ago) and thereby satisfied God’s Wrath against sin by making Jesus sin, punishing Him and then Transferring the Accomplishment He Provided to anyone who TRUSTS that it has taken place.

Therefore the Necessity of ‘Reconciliation’ by Clearing yourself of Wrong Doing is NO longer required. The Person is Forgiven by Virtue of what has been PROVIDED, NOT by meeting any CONDITIONS set forth by God. The Concept of ‘Atonement’ (and the word) had to be INVENTED in order to Support this, otherwise man would be subjected to a prolonged Crisis of Conviction for his sins and a Season of godly sorrow during his efforts to become CLEAR of the Wrong Doing.

Although these are the EXACT DEEDS Spoken of in the Bible as the Ministry of Reconciliation, man has chosen another path to Redemption that renders these things Null and Void. Under the Corrupted System ‘Repentance’ (if mentioned at all) becomes ‘Confession’ of sinfulness and Faith is a Passive Trust that Jesus Paid the Price for your sins. The STOPPING of Sin is not an issue, only the Trust. Clearing and Restitution are therefore OUT of the question and condemned as WORKS! The DEEDS of Repentance and Faith are In effect thrown to the Wind and with it the Ministry of Reconciliation.

Man Must be Reconciled to God. (Not God to man) God CANNOT Extend His Forgiveness for Sin while you Continue in it. If Sin can be Forgiven ‘In Process’ (as most people believe) the WORD ‘Reconciliation’ would have to be Removed from the Scriptures----or (better yet) Re-Defined to Mean:
‘Covered at One Time!’ In this Manner the Death of Christ is not a ‘Sin Offering’ Granted to give man a chance to be Reconciled on Condition of Repentance, BUT a ‘Provision’ that includes a Transfer of the sin from you to Christ and automatic forgiveness of sin, Past, Present and Future!



Thus the Word: ‘Atonement’ was invented to facilitate this error in the early 1500’s by William Tyndale, a
Protestant reformer from England, who naturally despised the teaching of Catholicism that required Acts of ‘Reparation’ (making amends, restitution, clearing) BEFORE forgiveness could be Granted. The early Protestants saw this as an un-necessary part of Redemption because the Sacrifice of Christ had (in their minds) Already Provided the means (or works) as part of His Death on the Cross. Faith (or Trust) was the ONLY necessary element required of man to partake of this Great Gift and be Saved.

The Great Error on BOTH SIDES was Substituting the DEEDS of Repentance with Something entirely un-Biblical that God NEVER intended. For the Catholics they Replaced the DEEDS with RITUALS such as Praying the Rosary to Clear the sins, NOT the Actual STOPPING of the Sin. The Protestants eliminated the Need for ANY DEEDS Whatsoever by Inventing the Notion that Christ PROVIDED it for them! Thus the Sin NEVER Stopped, but the person was forgiven nonetheless.

This Corruption of the Ministry of Reconciliation has Deep Roots in Christian history. As far back as the eleventh century a theologian named Anselm, developed the satisfaction’ theory. Which views God as a Holy Sovereign ruler to which mankind owes a debt because of sin. Therefore as a King He could forgive this great debt but NOT without doing great harm to His Kingdom. The Debt had to be SATISFIED Before Pardon could be granted. That’s where the Penal Substitution of Christ came in. He Received the Punishment Due the Sinner and thereby Satisfied the Wrath of God once and for all, by becoming Sin and being Cursed. They took this further into Error by adding the LOVE dimension to it not long after in the twelfth century. Here God in His Great Love for mankind (John3:16) Sacrificed His Only Son on the Cross as a Moral influence toward man to motivate him into service out of Gratitude for this Great Act.

ALL of this is a Far Cry from the Ministry of Reconciliation Taught by the Apostles in the early church. To them Repentance was a Scrubbing, Clearing and Casting out of Doors all defilement, ignorance and sin, BEFORE Pardon could be Granted and the Holy Spirit given. Saint Mark called Christ’s Sacrifice a ‘Ransom for many’ (Mk10:45) Whether he meant this in a metaphoric sense that God Purchased the Souls of man from the bondage of sin, or literally paid Ransom to Satan is not known. The early Disciples who followed the Original Apostles were mixed in their understanding of this passage. But during the first two hundred odd years of Christian Preaching, the Reconciliation was the means by which God could rescue man from the Corrupting influence of sin by freeing him from its bondage.

What man has done by Corrupting the clear definition of the Reconciliation is seal his own Doom. He has placed himself in a position where God CANNOT Save him. He is ‘Alienated’ from touching the Blood of Christ and has in effect Trampled it to the ground! Genuine Repentance is Impossible because people are coming to God Pre-supposing that He will Pardoned their sins in PROCESS! The Preachers make EVERY Effort to PROVE this Fallacy Twenty Four Hours a Day and the ENTIRE System has been Corrupted to Support the Lie.

The Truth is Very Simple and Can Free you from the Bondage and Addiction of Sin. But for the Most Part it has been Hidden from this present generation. Christ said only a FEW would find the Narrow Path to Eternal life and Many would not be able. The first step you need to take is OUT of the Corrupted System you are in and into the WORD of God. The longer you remain under the influence of these lies, the LESS likely it is you will EVER be Saved. If you Don’t Care Already, God help you before it’s too late. www.standingthegap.org




 

zone

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this post is not mine, though i have replied to it in order that the ideas might be discussed by anyone interested. the content of the original post is unchanged.

COMMENTS?

Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation 2Cor5:18

In Apostolic times the disciples preached the Ministry of Reconciliation, which consisted of Repentance toward God and faith toward the Lord Jesus Christ. (Acts20:21)

Christ Commanded that this Ministry be preached to all Nations, beginning in Jerusalem.. (Lk24:47)

The Disciples were Eye Witnesses of these things and Obeyed to the Letter!

They DID NOT Reason in their minds that the Covenant of Grace suddenly meant God was no longer concerned with sin because everything had been taken care of on the Cross.

They Did Not travel the Country side telling people to Trust in the finished Work of Jesus Christ for their Salvation.

Nor Did they EVER imply to ANYONE that their Future Sins were Already forgiven in Advance.

Yet today THIS is the COMMON Message of so-called ‘Christian’ Ministers!

The Apostles Ministry was Simply Repentance and Faith BOTH PROVEN by DEEDS! (Acts26:18-20)

They NEVER Separated the Deeds from the Act because they Clearly understood the Nature of Divine Reconciliation.

That it was NOT Based on some kind of Substitution or mysterious transfer taking place, BUT a Restoration of Favor determined on CONDITIONS!

God had Granted man ‘Favor’(Grace) so he could now Approach the Mercy Seat of ‘Reconciliation’ on CONDITION of a Repentance that included NOT Merely a ‘Change’ of Mind, but most important a STOPPING of Sin!

In this a Reconciliation between God and man could take place based on a CLEARING OF WRONG DOING.

(2Cor7:10-11) Literally, ‘To Sit again with’ was established. (which is the clear meaning of the word) The Wronged Party (God) offered (Granted) the Guilty party (You!) an opportunity to Clear the Slate and Start over.

The Wrong Doing (Sin) is satisfied (appeased) by the Blood of Christ. (The Sinless Victim) The Blood is applied to Penitent Soul to PURGE the Conscience and Purity the Heart. (Heb9:14)

Anything Short of this and Salvation or Redemption becomes a NOTION or something accepted in the Mind or intellect, but NOTHING Really changes inside.

This is Why so many people who consider themselves Christians on the way to heaven, covered by Grace and forgiven in advance, remain Vile and Contrary to the Bible.

To them the ‘Atonement’ (reconciliation) happened at ‘one time’ (Long ago) and thereby satisfied God’s Wrath against sin by making Jesus sin, punishing Him and then Transferring the Accomplishment He Provided to anyone who TRUSTS that it has taken place.

Therefore the Necessity of ‘Reconciliation’ by Clearing yourself of Wrong Doing is NO longer required.

The Person is Forgiven by Virtue of what has been PROVIDED, NOT by meeting any CONDITIONS set forth by God.

The Concept of ‘Atonement’ (and the word) had to be INVENTED in order to Support this, otherwise man would be subjected to a prolonged Crisis of Conviction for his sins and a Season of godly sorrow during his efforts to become CLEAR of the Wrong Doing.

Although these are the EXACT DEEDS Spoken of in the Bible as the Ministry of Reconciliation, man has chosen another path to Redemption that renders these things Null and Void.

Under the Corrupted System ‘Repentance’ (if mentioned at all) becomes ‘Confession’ of sinfulness and Faith is a Passive Trust that Jesus Paid the Price for your sins.

The STOPPING of Sin is not an issue, only the Trust.

Clearing and Restitution are therefore OUT of the question and condemned as WORKS!

The DEEDS of Repentance and Faith are In effect thrown to the Wind and with it the Ministry of Reconciliation.

Man Must be Reconciled to God. (Not God to man) God CANNOT Extend His Forgiveness for Sin while you Continue in it.

If Sin can be Forgiven ‘In Process’(as most people believe) the WORD ‘Reconciliation’ would have to be Removed from the Scriptures----or (better yet) Re-Defined to Mean:

‘Covered at One Time!’ In this Manner the Death of Christ is not a ‘Sin Offering’ Granted to give man a chance to be Reconciled on Condition of Repentance, BUT a ‘Provision’ that includes a Transfer of the sin from you to Christ and automatic forgiveness of sin, Past, Present and Future!

Thus the Word: ‘Atonement’ was invented to facilitate this error in the early 1500’s by William Tyndale, a reformer from England, who naturally despised the teaching of Catholicism that required Acts of ‘Reparation’ (making amends, restitution, clearing) BEFORE forgiveness could be Granted.

The early Protestants saw this as an un-necessary part of Redemption because the Sacrifice of Christ had (in their minds) Already Provided the means (or works) as part of His Death on the Cross.

Faith (or Trust) was the ONLY necessary element required of man to partake of this Great Gift and be Saved.

The Great Error on BOTH SIDES was Substituting the DEEDS of Repentance with Something entirely un-Biblical that God NEVER intended.

For the Catholics they Replaced the DEEDS with RITUALS such as Praying the Rosary to Clear the sins, NOT the Actual STOPPING of the Sin.

The Protestants eliminated the Need for ANY DEEDS Whatsoever by Inventing the Notion that Christ PROVIDED it for them!

Thus the Sin NEVER Stopped, but the person was forgiven nonetheless.

This Corruption ofthe Ministry of Reconciliation has Deep Roots in Christian history.

As far back as the eleventh century a theologian named Anselm, developed the satisfaction ’ theory.

Which views God as a Holy Sovereign ruler to which mankind owes a debt because of sin.

Therefore as a King He could forgive this great debt but NOT without doing great harm to His Kingdom.

The Debt had to be SATISFIED Before Pardon could be granted.

That’s where the Penal Substitution of Christ came in.

He Received the Punishment Due the Sinner and thereby Satisfied the Wrath of God once and for all, by becoming Sin and being Cursed.

They took this further into Error by adding the LOVE dimension to it not long after in the twelfth century.

Here God in His Great Love for mankind (John3:16) Sacrificed His Only Son on the Cross as a Moral influence toward man to motivate him into service out of Gratitude for this Great Act.

ALL of this is a Far Cry from the Ministry of Reconciliation Taught by the Apostles in the early church.

To them Repentance wasa Scrubbing, Clearing and Casting out of Doors all defilement, ignorance and sin, BEFORE Pardon could be Granted and the Holy Spirit given.

Saint Mark called Christ’s Sacrifice a ‘Ransom for many’ (Mk10:45) Whether he meant this in a metaphoric sense that God Purchased the Souls of man from the bondage of sin, or literally paid Ransom to Satan is not known.

The early Disciples who followed the Original Apostles were mixed in their understanding of this passage.

But during the first two hundred odd years of Christian Preaching, the Reconciliation was the means by which God could rescue man from the Corrupting influence of sin by freeing him from its bondage.

What man has done by Corrupting the clear definition of the Reconciliation is seal his own Doom.

He has placed himself in a position where God CANNOT Save him.

He is ‘Alienated’ from touching the Blood of Christ and has in effect Trampled it to the ground!

Genuine Repentance is Impossible because people are coming to God Pre-supposing that He will Pardoned their sins in PROCESS!

The Preachers make EVERY Effort to PROVE this Fallacy Twenty Four Hours a Day and the ENTIRE System has been Corrupted to Support the Lie.

The Truth is Very Simple and Can Free you from the Bondage and Addiction of Sin.

But for the Most Part it has been Hidden from this present generation.

Christ said only a FEW would find the Narrow Path to Eternal life and Many would not be able.

The first step you need to take is OUT of the Corrupted System you are in and into the WORD of God.

The longer you remain under the influence of these lies, the LESS likely it is you will EVER be Saved.

If you Don’t Care Already, God help you before it’s too late.
 

tribesman

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this post is not mine, though i have replied to it in order that the ideas might be discussed by anyone interested. the content of the original post is unchanged.

COMMENTS?
SPAM is seldom commented on. Just deleted.

The OP was an interesting post though.
 

homwardbound

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Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


All for whom Christ died, have been reconciled to God, by His death alone, not by their obedience, not by their faith, not by their repentance, but even while they were being enemies, unbelievers, children of wrath as others BY NATURE, now if this be the case, their being reconciled, they cannot be under condemnation and wrath as others Jn 3:18,36 even while being unbelievers !

You see, they cannot be both condemned and under wrath as enemies and reconciled to God as enemies at the same time !

the whole world was and is reconciled to God through the death of Christ at the cross, but no one is saved by the reconciliation that is why that verse ends with since ALL have been reconciled, how much more will one be saved by the life.
In other words no one is saved by the death, death is death and life is life, so we are only saved by the life of christ and it starts with the death in order to bring new life and that is God the Father living in and through you via the Holy Ghost. And he does not live through you until one understands this for the light to shine in truth that is.
Homwardbound
 
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homw


the whole world was and is reconciled to God through the death of Christ at the cross
That's impossible unless you believe in Universalism which is unscriptural, because all those Reconciled to God by the Death of Christ have this promise Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

They[Those reconciled by His Death] shall be saved by His Life !
 
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One of the reasons why everyone Christ died for are reconciled to God by His Death only, even while they are enemies or unbelievers , is because there is no sins against God's Law imputed to them, Christ's death has paid in full for them, and God has nothing against them, even while they themselves are enemies and unbeliers.

So its impossible for unbelievers whom Christ died for, to at anytime be considered one of the unbelievers pointed out here Jn 3:18 or Jn 3:36 !

Those are only unbelievers Christ did not died for and did not reconciled to God by His Death !
 

homwardbound

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homw




That's impossible unless you believe in Universalism which is unscriptural, because all those Reconciled to God by the Death of Christ have this promise Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

They[Those reconciled by His Death] shall be saved by His Life !
Yes exactly, and this is rioght now for the asking you see you are forgiven and the whole world is, so salvation comes from the resurrection not the death, the full Gospel and he rose so he can raise yuo right now in the Spirit not flesh as he did on Pentecost It was the Holy Ghost that moved and had thier being. It is all by beleif in God and it is shown here in scripture for you, so truat Goid to renew your mind to wrap around the verses below

Romans 6:1[ Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ ] What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?
Romans 6:2By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?
Romans 6:3Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
Romans 6:4We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
Romans 6:5For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his.
Romans 6:6For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin—
Romans 6:7because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
Romans 6:8Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.
Romans 6:9For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him.
Romans 6:10The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
Romans 6:11In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.


Colossians 2:12






having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.
Colossians 2:13When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,
Colossians 2:14having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross
Colossians 2:15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

The above is just one of the many ways Paul was trying to get people to quit working in the energy of thier own flesh. For work at one's salvation has surely been added to the Gospel and is s differant Gospel just like what was done to the Galatians
Galatians 3:1[ Faith or Works of the Law ] You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.
Galatians 3:2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?
Galatians 3:5So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?

The problem is we are believing the wolrd's churches and those renowned instead of reading what Paul really kept saying, we are saved by belief, we are made righteous by the death of Christ so Christ could bring us to Father as holy through him so Father through Christ the righteous could today after the cross come and live in us teaching us to say no to unrighteousness by Faith in the full Gospel the death, burial, and resurrection
In th Old Testament God could not live in them thier sins and lawless act were not yet reconciled

And all the Ols Testamewnt Saints were crying for the day of the cross so they all could
Psalm 100:4Enter his gates with thanksgiving and his courts with praise; give thanks to him and praise his name.

Today the whole world looks back at the cross the dividing line of Human history. This is where life is at here and now and all it takes is belief. That is what the Holy Ghost came here to do is to show truth so that we will beleive

We ahve life here and now available to each of us by and through the cross, we are not only forgiven we are available to the resurrection as well, and this is where the power of the cross is in the resurrection
 
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​It is by placing our faith in the work of the cross and nothing else. There is nothing we can do it is a free gift if we accept the cross.
 

homwardbound

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One of the reasons why everyone Christ died for are reconciled to God by His Death only, even while they are enemies or unbelievers , is because there is no sins against God's Law imputed to them, Christ's death has paid in full for them, and God has nothing against them, even while they themselves are enemies and unbeliers.

So its impossible for unbelievers whom Christ died for, to at anytime be considered one of the unbelievers pointed out here Jn 3:18 or Jn 3:36 !

Those are only unbelievers Christ did not died for and did not reconciled to God by His Death !
Yes if you do not believe then you do not recieve, yet he did die for the whole world so that we are not under sin and death, we are under being taught those that beleive how to trust in God and say no to unrighteousness, saved by the life after beleif and then taught by grace the Love to be in agreement that sin is of no more use.
For instance I was an Alcoholic and delivered by God's grace, and to this day I am capable of going to a bar having sevenup and coke on the rocks and enjoy the evening without drinking. I am not afraid if called to do so. You see in this new life covenant of Love of God perfect love of God has cast out all fear
We are free to do what is right oin Christ, and not be afraid no more. This is not taking advantage of God this appreciating God
for how will any of us
Hebrews 2:3how shall we escape if we ignore so great a salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him.
The thing today brother is to "beleive or not believe"


John 1:29
[ John Testifies About Jesus ] The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Colossians 1:22But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation
 
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hom

Yes exactly, and this is rioght now for the asking you see you are forgiven and the whole world is
That cannot be True, many shall die in their sins and unbelief Jn 8:24

24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Explain how they are forgiven and reconciled to God by Christ's Death !
 
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​It is by placing our faith in the work of the cross and nothing else. There is nothing we can do it is a free gift if we accept the cross.
Being reconciled to God by Christ's Death is a Free Gift to those Christ died for even while they are enemies, not believers. Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

They did not accept anything, they were enemies, do you know what being enemies mean ?
 
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Savedbygrace. Your name explains it. Whosoever shall confess with their mouth the Lord Jesus Christ the same shall be saved. We cannot be saved until we believe in our heart the work of the cross and if we don't we die in our sin.