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keep_on_smiling

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I have a friend that used to believe in God, but now he has trouble believing/understanding how, "such an all powerful God would let bad things happen". I am a believer and don't have trouble understanding this, but for some reason I am having a really difficult time answering his questions and explaining this concept to him.

All help would be greatly appreciated, as would actual scriptures. I am praying both for the Lord to work on softening his heart and opening his ears to hearing the truth. It's possible it's just not time for him to do so.

Thank you!
 
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SPUZIT

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#2
Read your request, I'm going off to study some Scriptures. I leave you in gods hands or others advice in the meantime.
 

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The Book of Job seems to touch on this. While Job's comforter's gave all kinds of reasons they were unaware of what was going on behind the scenes between God and satan and yet God works in all things His Will for His glory and our good. Have him reread the book of Job.
 
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MarkayMrk777

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[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voFbvfBDQGg[/video]
 
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nathan3

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#5
Well teach him about the fall, of Satan. and why we are here to begin with. How Christ came to reconcile up beck to God. And how that the prophets and apostles themselves suffered death, but are now with God in heaven, where he wipes away all tears
 
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MarkayMrk777

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In most things, it is a result of our own free will.
As explained in the above video. It is man
doing it through free will, not God. Now as he
says in the video, without free will, we would be
nothing more than robots.

Now in the big things, sometimes they are allowed
for judgement, to turn us back to Him. For example
after 9/11 most churches were full. I know I strayed
from God during that time and that event woke me
up and turned me back to God.
 
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SPUZIT

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#7
Ok, so hard to throw Scripture, & not whole cup. Or books for me... yet here are a few I came up with, please study carefully before you give them away randomly. Lil like me, I guess.
Glorify God: Romans 11:33-36....Romans 6:14,, Romans 6:23,,
Deuteronomy 30:19,, Genesis 1:31,, Job6:23,,, & Isaiah 65:20
Again please read above, below & around these verses first before passing advice & help back to your friend. I should have prayed & looked longer my self, so pray & may you be led for your friend in the lord. Shalom. Sputz
 
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SPUZIT

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#8
Opps, sounds Luke you got some great advice here. Praying your friend stays safe & protected within gods covering love while the good shepherd goes out to bring him back home. Prayers & spiritual hugs, sputz.
 
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SPUZIT

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Oh dear people please forgive me my very incorrect responce. I just re- read , my Scriptures, sometimes your just in the wrong place at the wrong time... when will I learn when to be silent for that which I do not know, .. I will still be praying for you & your friend. Again I am so sorry.
 
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Trax

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I have a friend that used to believe in God, but now he has trouble believing/understanding how, "such an all powerful God would let bad things happen". I am a believer and don't have trouble understanding this, but for some reason I am having a really difficult time answering his questions and explaining this concept to him.

All help would be greatly appreciated, as would actual scriptures. I am praying both for the Lord to work on softening his heart and opening his ears to hearing the truth. It's possible it's just not time for him to do so.

Thank you!
Bad things are still happening because people are still getting saved. The boat is sinking, but there
are people still onboard with lifeboats to fill. Does your friend want God to cut the lifeboats free
and sink the boat and end all the bad right now? Or does he want God to keep the boat afloat
untill the last life boat is filled?

A sinking ship looks bad, but you got to keep it together. You got to get the people to the lifeboats.
You can not run off and pout in a corner. Pouting doesn't help fill the lifeboats. If he wants the
bad stuff to end, then he should get busy helping to fill the lifeboats. Its his duty to begin with.
When all the lifeboats are filled, God will bring it all to an end.
 
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Blooming_Violet

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I have a friend that used to believe in God, but now he has trouble believing/understanding how, "such an all powerful God would let bad things happen". I am a believer and don't have trouble understanding this, but for some reason I am having a really difficult time answering his questions and explaining this concept to him.

All help would be greatly appreciated, as would actual scriptures. I am praying both for the Lord to work on softening his heart and opening his ears to hearing the truth. It's possible it's just not time for him to do so.

Thank you!

I highly recommend the author Lee Strobel. The following book is really helpful for what you are describing.



The Case for Faith: A Journalist Investigates the Toughest Objections to Christianity (Paperback)
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Amazon.com Review
Award-winning reporter and author Lee Strobel (The Case for Christ) once again uses his investigative skills to address the primary objections to Christianity. As a former atheist, Strobel understands the rational resistance to faith. He even names the eight most convincing arguments against Christian faith:
1) If there's a loving God, why does this pain-wracked world groan under so much suffering and evil?
2) If the miracles of God contradict science, then how can any rational person believe that they're true?
3) If God is morally pure, how can he sanction the slaughter of innocent children as the Old Testament says he did?
4) If God cares about the people he created, how could he consign so many of them to an eternity of torture in hell just because they didn't believe the right things about him?
5) If Jesus is the only way to heaven, then what about the millions of people who have never heard of him?
6) If God really created the universe, why does the evidence of science compel so many to conclude that the unguided process of evolution accounts for life?
7) If God is the ultimate overseer of the church, why has it been rife with hypocrisy and brutality throughout the ages?
8) If I'm still plagued by doubts, then is it still possible to be a Christian?
These are mighty tough questions, and Strobel fields them well. Rather than write a weighty dissertation about the merits of faith, he brings us along on his quest as we meet leaders in the Christian community, such as Peter Kreeft and William Lane Craig. We also encounter his everyday friends and acquaintances that serendipitously fill in the holes in each of the eight arguments against faith. The use of dialogue from personal interviews and a scene-by-scene active narrative makes this an easy and engaging read. However, easy does not mean breezy. This is a book of substance and merit, one that will help Christians defend their faith, especially during the hardest of times, when they have to defend their faith to themselves in moments of doubt. --review by Gail Hudson

Hope this helps.

Blooming_Violet
 
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keep_on_smiling

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#12
Is there anyway that you could post the video again, I didn't get a chance to watch it. Thank you :)
 
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keep_on_smiling

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#13
Bad things are still happening because people are still getting saved. The boat is sinking, but there
are people still onboard with lifeboats to fill. Does your friend want God to cut the lifeboats free
and sink the boat and end all the bad right now? Or does he want God to keep the boat afloat
untill the last life boat is filled?

A sinking ship looks bad, but you got to keep it together. You got to get the people to the lifeboats.
You can not run off and pout in a corner. Pouting doesn't help fill the lifeboats. If he wants the
bad stuff to end, then he should get busy helping to fill the lifeboats. Its his duty to begin with.
When all the lifeboats are filled, God will bring it all to an end.
First of all, thank you to everyone that has responded. I'm going to continue to pray about the situation and think about everything you have told me. I truly appreciate it. :)

Trax- That is a very interesting way to put it. I like how it really creates a picture in my mind. I will have to share that with him.

Really though it's not a specific bad thing that has happened, but He can't understand why God would even create evil or ask for bad things, such as killing others ( He mentioned the story of Abraham and Issac). I think what you have shared will help, especially about free will.
 
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I would encourage him to come clean before God in repentance first, as most today who profess Christ are in some form of bondage to sin that is keeping thier mind polluted and unable to seek or understand the truth!

I know what I send isnt popular, and I just encourage you to be sure you are in the right mind spiritually, and many who profess Christ are actually in thier carnal mind, unable to understand the pure meat of the word, and will bounce around with many fears and doubts, I was there, and could not figure out why I was in such defeat and bondage I hope my article helps!

WHAT MIND ARE YOU IN?

Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace
Rom 8:7 because the carnal mind is enmity against God, for it is not subject to the Law of God, neither indeed can it be.
The more I seek the truth and compare what is being taught today by the mainstream ministries and pastors, I have come to the conclusion that those who oppose sound doctrine, and argue in favor of sin are not in their spiritual mind!
A carnal mind is way more than the vile sinners who live each and every day fulfilling the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye and the pride of life.
A carnal mind can also be the happy go lucky church goer, who has come into the kingdom through the repeat after me crowd! The have been duped into the great lie that promises them liberty, while they are still in bondage to many sins to various degrees!
They may not be like Ted Bundy, or Adolph Hitler, but when it comes to truth, and standing firm on it they will cleverly use and twist scriptures to make their plea for truth, which in reality is a plea to continue in sin and disobedience but still be saved and secure.
So when the truth is given to the lost masses out in la la land, they will either come with a spiritual mind yield to the spirit of truth, and seek the truth as laid out in scripture, they will diligently dig deep in the word, and not relent until the spirit fills their once carnal mind with spiritual truth that wells up in their heart and soul!
But many will stay in their carnal mindset, bent on being right at all cost! They argue, accuse, lie, and twist their way into the hearts and minds of the simple, which are hungry for truth, but open to any wind of doctrine that comes down the line.
The carnal mind is an enemy of God!
G2189
ἔχθρα
echthra
ekh'-thrah
Hostility; by implication a reason for opposition: - enmity, hatred.

They refuse to see the error of the system, where original sin, substitution, followed of OSAS, is the norm, and anyone who comes against these false pagan and man-made teaching’s is called out as a heretic, evil, selfish, and self-righteous! Then they get upset when you tell them they must repent, stop sinning as commanded, and give ample scriptural proof their beloved saved IN sin message isn’t in the word of God!

Again the carnal mind is polluted with the thing of the world, they have no desire to guard their heart from the many lies and deceptions lurking around every corner, nor tune out to the world and its vain attractions and entertainments!

The carnal mind is easy to spot, they come at you as a loving, peaceful lamb, but when you confront them with the truth, they soon turn into an angry wolf, seeking to devour anybody who encourages them to dig deep, do not be deceived, hold fast, cling to what is true, seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, rightly divide the word of truth, be diligent, put on the full armor of God, run the race to the end, etc.

Many, many warnings given to the humble soul, who comes broken and contrite to the mercy seat pleading to God for mercy and reconciliation! Who has actually crucified their flesh with Christ as commanded, now cleansed and purge of all dead works, ready to now receive with meekness the truth of the word.

Carnal and spiritual are dead end enemies! They cancel each other out; you can’t be in one mind one minute then another mind the next, but this is what is being taught as normal throughout the professing Christian world today!

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not think fit to have God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do the things not right.

Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God, but in their works they deny Him, being abominable and disobedient and reprobate to every good work.

The whole dynamic process of salvation laid out by God is not getting saved as a vile sinner, then combating your flesh until you die, NO it’s the only way out, putting to death the works of the devil, keeping the carnal mind dead and obsolete.

Salvation is not a provision handed down by God to cure your ongoing sin and rebellion, NO its death to the old man, where the Holy son of God came as a sin offering, to return us to favor to God, on condition of real repentance(sin stops) and an obedient faith, both proven by deeds of a cleansed and pure heart, open to receive the spirit, broken and spiritually minded, standing fast in the truth, as the lost church and world condemns them, scoffing at their works of the heart gospel, loving their carnal mind that is opposed to God.

Faith upholds the law, holding fast to the word, faith works through love, bearing good fruit of the heart, and it overcomes the world, the flesh and the devil!

The word of God is rich and overflowing with many powerful nuggets of pure gold, giving the cleansed and spiritual mind fresh water that keeps them in the faith, as he comes broken and zealous to serve God with all their heart and soul!

So the next time you want to shoot the messenger of truth, ask yourself which mind you are in?

Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the children of disobedience.
Tommy
 
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keep_on_smiling

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#15
I would encourage him to come clean before God in repentance first, as most today who profess Christ are in some form of bondage to sin that is keeping thier mind polluted and unable to seek or understand the truth!

I know what I send isnt popular, and I just encourage you to be sure you are in the right mind spiritually, and many who profess Christ are actually in thier carnal mind, unable to understand the pure meat of the word, and will bounce around with many fears and doubts, I was there, and could not figure out why I was in such defeat and bondage I hope my article helps!

WHAT MIND ARE YOU IN?

Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace
Rom 8:7 because the carnal mind is enmity against God, for it is not subject to the Law of God, neither indeed can it be.
The more I seek the truth and compare what is being taught today by the mainstream ministries and pastors, I have come to the conclusion that those who oppose sound doctrine, and argue in favor of sin are not in their spiritual mind!
A carnal mind is way more than the vile sinners who live each and every day fulfilling the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye and the pride of life.
A carnal mind can also be the happy go lucky church goer, who has come into the kingdom through the repeat after me crowd! The have been duped into the great lie that promises them liberty, while they are still in bondage to many sins to various degrees!
They may not be like Ted Bundy, or Adolph Hitler, but when it comes to truth, and standing firm on it they will cleverly use and twist scriptures to make their plea for truth, which in reality is a plea to continue in sin and disobedience but still be saved and secure.
So when the truth is given to the lost masses out in la la land, they will either come with a spiritual mind yield to the spirit of truth, and seek the truth as laid out in scripture, they will diligently dig deep in the word, and not relent until the spirit fills their once carnal mind with spiritual truth that wells up in their heart and soul!
But many will stay in their carnal mindset, bent on being right at all cost! They argue, accuse, lie, and twist their way into the hearts and minds of the simple, which are hungry for truth, but open to any wind of doctrine that comes down the line.
The carnal mind is an enemy of God!
G2189
ἔχθρα
echthra
ekh'-thrah
Hostility; by implication a reason for opposition: - enmity, hatred.

They refuse to see the error of the system, where original sin, substitution, followed of OSAS, is the norm, and anyone who comes against these false pagan and man-made teaching’s is called out as a heretic, evil, selfish, and self-righteous! Then they get upset when you tell them they must repent, stop sinning as commanded, and give ample scriptural proof their beloved saved IN sin message isn’t in the word of God!

Again the carnal mind is polluted with the thing of the world, they have no desire to guard their heart from the many lies and deceptions lurking around every corner, nor tune out to the world and its vain attractions and entertainments!

The carnal mind is easy to spot, they come at you as a loving, peaceful lamb, but when you confront them with the truth, they soon turn into an angry wolf, seeking to devour anybody who encourages them to dig deep, do not be deceived, hold fast, cling to what is true, seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, rightly divide the word of truth, be diligent, put on the full armor of God, run the race to the end, etc.

Many, many warnings given to the humble soul, who comes broken and contrite to the mercy seat pleading to God for mercy and reconciliation! Who has actually crucified their flesh with Christ as commanded, now cleansed and purge of all dead works, ready to now receive with meekness the truth of the word.

Carnal and spiritual are dead end enemies! They cancel each other out; you can’t be in one mind one minute then another mind the next, but this is what is being taught as normal throughout the professing Christian world today!

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not think fit to have God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do the things not right.

Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God, but in their works they deny Him, being abominable and disobedient and reprobate to every good work.

The whole dynamic process of salvation laid out by God is not getting saved as a vile sinner, then combating your flesh until you die, NO it’s the only way out, putting to death the works of the devil, keeping the carnal mind dead and obsolete.

Salvation is not a provision handed down by God to cure your ongoing sin and rebellion, NO its death to the old man, where the Holy son of God came as a sin offering, to return us to favor to God, on condition of real repentance(sin stops) and an obedient faith, both proven by deeds of a cleansed and pure heart, open to receive the spirit, broken and spiritually minded, standing fast in the truth, as the lost church and world condemns them, scoffing at their works of the heart gospel, loving their carnal mind that is opposed to God.

Faith upholds the law, holding fast to the word, faith works through love, bearing good fruit of the heart, and it overcomes the world, the flesh and the devil!

The word of God is rich and overflowing with many powerful nuggets of pure gold, giving the cleansed and spiritual mind fresh water that keeps them in the faith, as he comes broken and zealous to serve God with all their heart and soul!

So the next time you want to shoot the messenger of truth, ask yourself which mind you are in?

Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the children of disobedience.
Tommy
Thank you, for your response. It is truly interesting and I know you are right, the carnal mind is an enemy of the Lord. However, I'm afraid suggesting he come before the Lord and repent isn't going to be received, in order to do so, he'd have to believe in God.

I do have to ask, are you suggesting I'm not in in the right mind? I'm a bit confused as to how the following relates.
I just encourage you to be sure you are in the right mind spiritually, and many who profess Christ are actually in thier carnal mind, unable to understand the pure meat of the word, and will bounce around with many fears and doubts, I was there, and could not figure out why I was in such defeat and bondage I hope my article helps!
 
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jimmydiggs

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Jordache

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First you must pray. Human understanding doesn't ignite our spirit. The HS does. The gospel doesn't stand on reason as it stands on the power of the HS to speak to the minds of His children. Unless the HS specifically tells you, there's no need to tell your friend to repent. The fact is Jesus address the needs people saw (lameness, blindness, etc) before He told them to repent. He spoke to unrepentant people all the time and this kindness is what drew them to repentance.
 
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keep_on_smiling

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#18
For you: If God is So Powerful and So Good, Why Do Bad Things Happen? - YouTube

If you want a more philosophical approach.

Dr. Ravi Zacharias Question and Answer - Moral Law and Giver - YouTube

I think it's that one, but Ravi Zacharias makes a great point: Without a God, we have no standard upon which to judge good and bad. At best, it's an argument of preferences. (I prefer not to be in pain) Thus to say god can't exist because there is evil, is to tear off the hand that feeds you.
Those are great videos; quite powerful. It will keep me thinking for awhile :) Thank you very much for sharing.

First you must pray. Human understanding doesn't ignite our spirit. The HS does. The gospel doesn't stand on reason as it stands on the power of the HS to speak to the minds of His children. Unless the HS specifically tells you, there's no need to tell your friend to repent. The fact is Jesus address the needs people saw (lameness, blindness, etc) before He told them to repent. He spoke to unrepentant people all the time and this kindness is what drew them to repentance.
I agree with you Jordache. At the moment I'm just praying and if the opportunity presents itself and the spirit leads, I will talk with him about it. He is quite bitter about how he grew up, I'm not pushing but would like Him to see the truth if it's God's will. Selfishly I hope it is. Thank you!
 
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nathan3

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It says in Rev 12: : Satan's tail drew one third of the stars from heaven and cast them to the earth. The Earth is where we are. Christ came to reconcile us back to God. Colossians 1:20-23 (KJV). Remind Him about all the prophets that gave their life for God. They are in heaven with God:
2 Corinthians 5:8 (KJV)
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

I guess God never said it was going to be easy. But he promised if we stay in His words and believe and have faith in Him & His only son, Then we will over come the world, to be with Him in the end.

It takes time to study these things,Because it takes time to learn. Even the learned are still learning . Maybe some one ells has better scriptures.