Why eternal "punishment" makes absolute logical sense and respects our "free" will.

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1still_waters

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Why eternal "punishment" makes absolute logical sense and respects our "free" will.

Eternal punishment makes absolute logical sense.
Eternal punishment respects our free will.

People are presented with two options.
1.Follow the ways of God through grace and faith in Jesus, while being in relationship with Him.
2.Follow your own ways, and live as if you want nothing to do with God at all.

Eternal punishment is the logical and reasonable outcome for those choosing option 2.

Why would God go against a free moral agent by dragging them into eternal life with Him, if they've clearly shown they want
nothing to do with Him all of their life?

Why would a free moral agent complain about eternity away from God if that's what they chose all of their life?


God is simply giving the God haters just what they asked for!
An eternal existence 100% away from his presence.
 
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Laodicea

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The punishment is eternal but not the punishing. The wages of sin is death But, the gift of God is life.
 
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1still_waters said:
...Why would God go against a free moral agent by dragging them into eternal life with Him, if they've clearly shown they want nothing to do with Him all of their life?

Why would a free moral agent complain about eternity away from God if that's what they chose all of their life?
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Where in scripture do you find evidence that man is a "free moral agent". Or that natural man has any "free will" in spiritual matters? Scriptures must be taken in context and imply universal address.

Surely God needs to draw men, otherwise they won't come, even more, they can not come, unless this is happen. In and by themselves they are unable to come to God. Salvation is not within the "possibility" frame of man, it is impossible to attain unless God intervenes (Matt.19:26). Man is not willing, man is not seeking God (Rom.3:10-18). He is not able to, since he is dead in trespasses and sins (Eph.2:1-3). I don't see God's will being frustrated in that regard, i e that He would fail to draw those He called to His Son.
Jer.31

[3] The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.
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John.6

[27] Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
[28] Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
[29] Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

[37] All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
[38] For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
[39] And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
[40] And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

[44] No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
[45] It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

[63] It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
[64] But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
[65] And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
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Rom.8

[28] And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
[29] For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
[30] Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
[31] What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
[32] He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
[33] Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
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Mobiosity

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Re: Why eternal "punishment" makes absolute logical sense and respects our "free" wil

Laodicea said:
The punishment is eternal but not the punishing. The wages of sin is death But, the gift of God is life.
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That makes the most sense to me. Thanks for writing that. I couldn't see my God sending anyone to eternal torment for the actions in a life that is a finger snap in comparison to eternity.
 
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Chicken_Brent

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1still_waters said:
Why would a free moral agent complain about eternity away from God if that's what they chose all of their life?
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People in hell arent away from God, theyre burning in his presence.

Psalm 139:8 ​
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

You could say Stephen Hawking is with God now.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead

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Re: Why eternal "punishment" makes absolute logical sense and respects our "free" wil

Chicken_Brent said:
People in hell arent away from God, theyre burning in his presence.

Psalm 139:8 ​
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

You could say Stephen Hawking is with God now.
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That's true. Jesus said he would draw all men to himself. Some will live forever in his love, some in his wrath against sin.
 
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