Guardian angels

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Do guardian angels exist?

  • yes

    Votes: 11 84.6%

  • no

    Votes: 1 7.7%

  • I don't know, unsure...aka any other answer

    Votes: 1 7.7%
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thefightinglamb

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Groundhog, I think your arguments against there being Guardian angels are used equally poingantly by atheists to refute the idea of God...if God is always there why does this madness happen? So as a Christian a person must testify that God and his angels are there, but they do not intervene because of God's will...remember what Jesus said about there being legions of angels to defend him if He so wanted, yet Jesus did not stop the greatest tragedy turned greatest glory from fulfilment...so why should we be bewildered in our own lives when we as sinful people suffer evils for reasons we know not?

I am not sure why each and every evil thing happens, but I am sure that God works all things together for the good of those who love him who are called according to his purpose...this is beyond refute...

But I do not find the idea of Guardian angels strange, for in the verse previously mentioned, it says 'their angels'--why the discriptive term of theirs before angels if they were not specified to be 'theirs'? And even if their was not Guardian angels, God was there amongst all the suffering? :)

Just musing
tony
 
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watchmen

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thefightinglamb said:
Groundhog, I think your arguments against there being Guardian angels are used equally poingantly by atheists to refute the idea of God...if God is always there why does this madness happen? So as a Christian a person must testify that God and his angels are there, but they do not intervene because of God's will...remember what Jesus said about there being legions of angels to defend him if He so wanted, yet Jesus did not stop the greatest tragedy turned greatest glory from fulfilment...so why should we be bewildered in our own lives when we as sinful people suffer evils for reasons we know not?

I am not sure why each and every evil thing happens, but I am sure that God works all things together for the good of those who love him who are called according to his purpose...this is beyond refute...

But I do not find the idea of Guardian angels strange, for in the verse previously mentioned, it says 'their angels'--why the discriptive term of theirs before angels if they were not specified to be 'theirs'? And even if their was not Guardian angels, God was there amongst all the suffering? :)

Just musing
tony
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Groundhog

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thefightinglamb said:
Groundhog, I think your arguments against there being Guardian angels are used equally poingantly by atheists to refute the idea of God...if God is always there why does this madness happen? So as a Christian a person must testify that God and his angels are there, but they do not intervene because of God's will...remember what Jesus said about there being legions of angels to defend him if He so wanted, yet Jesus did not stop the greatest tragedy turned greatest glory from fulfilment...so why should we be bewildered in our own lives when we as sinful people suffer evils for reasons we know not?
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I feel like you're proving my point here. :) Jesus said he could have called thousands of angels to defend him, but he did not. God COULD assign every person a guardian angel, but we really have no evidence that he does. Jesus did not call the angels to defend him. Likewise, we do not bear any supernatural protection from harm. This is why perfectly good, faithful Christians are martyred across the world. Again, as I said before, God has saved our souls, but he has not said that we will be free from physical harm and hardship here on earth. In fact, Jesus and the NT writers speak often about persecution, reminding the readers that it is endurance, faithfulness, and hope that we must cling to during those tough times. If we cling to a belief in guardian angels, we will be disappointed when harm comes to us or those we love. Again, if guardian angels do exist and their job is to protect us, why do we still encounter harm? It is much more sensible (and more scriptural) to accept the pain and trials of this world, knowing that we have hope, love, and peace in our hearts, and that we can rise about that pain not because we have a guardian angel, but because we have eternal hope in God.
 
MahogonySnail

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Groundhog, read Psalm 91.

I know a number of christians who have had angels protect them from harm.
 
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Groundhog

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MahogonySnail said:
Groundhog, read Psalm 91.

I know a number of christians who have had angels protect them from harm.
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I'm familiar with the Psalm.

I don't suppose your friends can prove that an angel protected them. If they can, please share. We've all had our share of near misses, or something that could have gone horribly wrong didn't, but why must we jump to believing in guardian angels because of this? Non-Christians have the same sort of experiences, but are angels protecting them too? And how do we account for the horrible, tragic things that happen to children and believers, the two groups above any other who ought to have guardian angels? God can certainly send angels to do something if he wants to, even send them to stop a bullet headed straight for your chest; I'm not denying God's capability here, but a guardian angel is a very specific phenomenon that I see little or no evidence for, including scriptural evidence and real-life tangible evidence.
 
MahogonySnail

MahogonySnail

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You need to read Psalm 91 again. It speaks about gaurdian angels.

What's your problem buddy? Try and prove Jesus rose from the dead, try and prove angels or God exists at all. Maybe angels did stop bad things happening you never even known about that without them, would have happened.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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what's so strange about angels helping others? - Though we need to believe in christ to be SAVED, the bible doesn't say that is needed for God to care :)
I convinced most "ghosts" people see are either angels or demons, and if they are, there must be angels for those who don't believe too.
 
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thefightinglamb

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In Acts, you have an angel definely saving Peter from jail...therefore angels 'can' save people, and there is speculation why angels save people from some harm but not all harm...For example, Paul was not saved from eventually being bound in the end of acts, nor was Peter to be delivered from his final death penalty...James was also beheaded for his faith in Acts, and Stephen martyred...the question in your mind as to why a specific perseceution and why saved from a different persecution? And the answer can only be found in two things 1 prayer and 2 God's will. If we ask according to God's will we know he hears us and will do anything asked accordingly.

Angels are affirmed to protect people in the Bible, beyond dispute...but Guardian Angels seem to depend on this one verse that seems? to suggest that they exist.

God bless
tony
 
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