What does the Bible say about....

[hattiebod]

Allowing a child molester or pimp teach teenagers in a Sunday school class?

Personally I don't think its unforgiving or unchristian to deny someone with that past to be placed in a position of power over children or temptation for themselves.

what are your thoughts?

I think that it is right to forgive someone when they have been punished, have repented but do they need to return into the 'field' where they did the crime? I think not, not if it can cause anxiety and offence to others. If they are determined to raise awareness regarding their 'crime' to protect others in the future, which is commendable, they can do that in other ways, working with raising awareness amongst parents for example. The thought I have is that if this person is a Christian, why would they want to act this way, knowing the offence and fear it could cause? also, sadly, this sort of crime is recidivist and rarely successfully turned away from or resisted. It can only be resisted through salvation and even then, by staying away from the temptation. <><

what does the Bible say about it?

I think in all ways we are not to cause offence or fear in others. I can see how this person my want to turn his past crimes into a positive for the future and he certainly may have something useful to say, but he needs to be very discerning in how he does this. I think we do need to realise that just because someone says they are saved, a Christian and attempting to live a life that is in keeping with Christ, by the time those around this person know he is not....terrible damage will have occurred. With paedophiles, as i said it is recidivist and they do not stop till caught. <><

 

[homwardbound]

hi homewardbound seems like you're just chillin' would you like some left over cookies from our bake sale?

Thanks Sister, but I got to stay away from too many sweets for now, just got out of surgery two months ago, and yes I have learnt so much through this I am overwhelmed with the LOVE of God in the depths and it is amazing

 

[homwardbound]

I pray to God that the Church is not so far gone that Pauls basic requirements for decons is no longer possible...

I also beleive it is not that far gone. It is actually not very hard to find Christians who qualify in my area at least.


Some do put on false acts. Such people need to be taken out of positions of authority and possible out of the Church itself.

I do not believe this is the norm in churches at all.


It's pointless to be any different. I am who I am, just as many other people are. Despite televisions constant affirmations to the contrary I don't believe most people actively live a double life.


Anger is not a sin, or else God has sinned many times Lust of the flesh wanting material goods you should not have, our culture is bad for that, but even then contented people do exist.


When does he say to restore those that where purged? A reference for this would be nice. He just says to purge those that did those things.


Umm, What?

Her you go nad on your way in reading this all the way to chapter 7 one finds that the Corinthians came to a godly sorrow in place of a worldly sorrow, the worldly sorrow is all addressed in 1 cor and Paul strightening this out because what they were doing was taking advantage of such a miraculous salvation, they were using the Grace as an excuse for the flesh.
With a godly sorrow they learnt to listen to God and do what man would not normally do and that is love God's way amd by this type of love man repents and believes for it is by the grace of God that man says no to unrighteousness and trusts God
Love you brother
[h=3]2 Corinthians 2[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

2 But I determined this within myself, that I would not come again to you in sorrow. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For if I make you sorrowful, then who is he who makes me glad but the one who is made sorrowful by me?
[h=3]Forgive the Offender[/h][SUP]3 [/SUP]And I wrote this very thing to you, lest, when I came, I should have sorrow over those from whom I ought to have joy, having confidence in you all that my joy is the joy of you all. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For out of much affliction and anguish of heart I wrote to you, with many tears, not that you should be grieved, but that you might know the love which I have so abundantly for you.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But if anyone has caused grief, he has not grieved me, but all of you to some extent—not to be too severe. [SUP]6 [/SUP]This punishment which was inflicted by the majority is sufficient for such a man, [SUP]7 [/SUP]so that, on the contrary, you ought rather to forgive and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one be swallowed up with too much sorrow. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Therefore I urge you to reaffirm your love to him. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For to this end I also wrote, that I might put you to the test, whether you are obedient in all things. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Now whom you forgive anything, I also forgive. For if indeed I have forgiven anything, I have forgiven that one for your sakes in the presence of Christ, [SUP]11 [/SUP]lest Satan should take advantage of us; for we are not ignorant of his devices.

 

[homwardbound]

I think in all ways we are not to cause offence or fear in others. I can see how this person my want to turn his past crimes into a positive for the future and he certainly may have something useful to say, but he needs to be very discerning in how he does this. I think we do need to realise that just because someone says they are saved, a Christian and attempting to live a life that is in keeping with Christ, by the time those around this person know he is not....terrible damage will have occurred. With paedophiles, as i said it is recidivist and they do not stop till caught. <><

I am sure this has happened many a time to the believers this is why it is so important to hear what the Spirit of God tells one to do or the many in the congregation and that person that says they are repentant has to be supervised and if that person does not accept this then that tells me deception from that person is in play and I personally would have to expose them to thier face as led though first by the Holy Ghost and what He hears from Father in what to do about it, and then do it in trust regardless of what it appears to look like. God always knows what God is doing, and it takes ones trust in that remember Jesus went to the death for us all, and if he did not, and if he did not riseafter the third day we all would still be dead in our sins no chance so dowe appreciate this or not. All I am saying is what does Father say to you in your new Heart about any and all situations that confront you remember perfect love casts all fear away and the beginning of wisdom is fear of God but after Fathjer reveals himself and perfect Love his has come then we do not react in Fear we react in Love but that does not mean we allow for this person that has done this definately wrong action ot be in charge of anything, but we do recieve one who is weak in Faith but not to disputes over doubtful things. So let us go into prayer and ask God if God has recieved this person, then we shall know what ot do anddo accordiingly.

 

[Ariel82]

ah will pray a prayer of thanksgiving for your quick recovery and maybe some soup instead

 

[JGPS]

Her you go nad on your way in reading this all the way to chapter 7 one finds that the Corinthians came to a godly sorrow in place of a worldly sorrow, the worldly sorrow is all addressed in 1 cor and Paul strightening this out because what they were doing was taking advantage of such a miraculous salvation, they were using the Grace as an excuse for the flesh.
With a godly sorrow they learnt to listen to God and do what man would not normally do and that is love God's way amd by this type of love man repents and believes for it is by the grace of God that man says no to unrighteousness and trusts God
Love you brother
2 Corinthians 2

New King James Version (NKJV)

2 But I determined this within myself, that I would not come again to you in sorrow. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For if I make you sorrowful, then who is he who makes me glad but the one who is made sorrowful by me?
Forgive the Offender

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And I wrote this very thing to you, lest, when I came, I should have sorrow over those from whom I ought to have joy, having confidence in you all that my joy is the joy of you all. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For out of much affliction and anguish of heart I wrote to you, with many tears, not that you should be grieved, but that you might know the love which I have so abundantly for you.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But if anyone has caused grief, he has not grieved me, but all of you to some extent—not to be too severe. [SUP]6 [/SUP]This punishment which was inflicted by the majority is sufficient for such a man, [SUP]7 [/SUP]so that, on the contrary, you ought rather to forgive and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one be swallowed up with too much sorrow. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Therefore I urge you to reaffirm your love to him. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For to this end I also wrote, that I might put you to the test, whether you are obedient in all things. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Now whom you forgive anything, I also forgive. For if indeed I have forgiven anything, I have forgiven that one for your sakes in the presence of Christ, [SUP]11 [/SUP]lest Satan should take advantage of us; for we are not ignorant of his devices.

None of that is a call to restore those who where purged... You're reading into it something which is not there.

 

[Tintin]

JGPS, mate, you quote yourself? I see this happening of the forum quite regularly of late. It's always fun to find people arguing/discussing things with themselves.

 

[JGPS]

Looks Like I broke the quote tags, I don't know how my own name got in there though.

Oh well, the

tag is still sitting there at top, even if improperly formated

The same thing happened with Homewards previous post to me, the improperly formated

still hangs in there too. I'll have to watch how the automatically generated tags appear when I'm posting on this forum

 

[homwardbound]

None of that is a call to restore those who where purged... You're reading into it something which is not there.

And as each man believes in his heart so is he

 

[Ariel82]

if you put a [/quote] at the end it will fix it...

for example

the beginning is

AND I ADDED three [/quote.] without the dot

Looks Like I broke the quote tags, I don't know how my own name got in there though.

Oh well, the

tag is still sitting there at top, even if improperly formated

The same thing happened with Homewards previous post to me, the improperly formated

still hangs in there too. I'll have to watch how the automatically generated tags appear when I'm posting on this forum

 

[JGPS]

Thx Ariel. I can't edit it due to editing restrictions though.