Did Jesus Turn Water into Alcoholic Wine?
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IMO, it's man that turn wine or beer into something that's negative. I see nothing wrong with having a few beers or glasses of wine in moderation...However, getting drunk is wrong and sinful, and if you don't have the self control over it, then you shouldn't drink it.
Is a supermarket responsible for someone getting drunk, or smoking cigarettes just because they sell these items? If that were the case and they didn't stock their shelves with these items, they'd probable lose half their business and have to close.
I work for local phone co. and I have to install TV service in many homes, am I responsible for the filth they watch on television, am I responsible for what the read, do and watch on the internet? If that were the case perhaps you wouldn't be here on this site.
Get my drift?
Is a supermarket responsible for someone getting drunk, or smoking cigarettes just because they sell these items? If that were the case and they didn't stock their shelves with these items, they'd probable lose half their business and have to close.
I work for local phone co. and I have to install TV service in many homes, am I responsible for the filth they watch on television, am I responsible for what the read, do and watch on the internet? If that were the case perhaps you wouldn't be here on this site.
Get my drift?
Thanks for the responses. I just came across this doing my own research. It seems reasonable to me:
Did Jesus change the water into wine or grape juice?
Did Jesus change the water into wine or grape juice?
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I think it was probably wine...its worth noting it was also not of the strength that we see alcohol today. I think it is interesting to note that some people think all alcohol is bad, the internet is wicked, FaceBook etc but really. There is a balance. The internet is not evil....as i have read some Christians write, its the people using it from the wrong purposes. Alcohol is not the problem, its the person drinking it. Everything with self control! <><
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The Bible says 'wine', so it is wine. The reason is that when we keep grape juice, there is a moment where it turn bad. Whereas wine as long as we keep it, it become better.
There were 6 waterpots. But when Jesus came, He was the 7th one and turned the 6th full of water, which is the word preached in the 6 church ages, into a good wine which represent the stimulation, the baptism of the Holy Spirit in the last church age.
There were 6 waterpots. But when Jesus came, He was the 7th one and turned the 6th full of water, which is the word preached in the 6 church ages, into a good wine which represent the stimulation, the baptism of the Holy Spirit in the last church age.
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So, Is It Wine, or Grape Juice?
The Holy Bible was written, mostly, in Hebrew (the Old Testament) and Greek (the New Testament). What do the actual original words say? Wine, or grape juice?
In the Old Testament, the Hebrew word (pronounced) yah-yin is translated as "wine." The Hebrew word means fermented, as in wine, not grape juice. To prove that it means wine, not grape juice, it was from yah-yin that Noah became drunk:
The Greek word translated as "wine" in the New Testament is pronounced oy-nos which means wine, not grape juice. We know that because the word is used where people are warned not to drink to excess and get drunk from it. No such warning would be necessary if it were grape juice.
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The above article makes the point that drinking wine in and of itself is not sinful, but overindulging and drunkeness is.
By the same token, eating food is certainly not a sin ... and yet overindulging and gluttony is comparable to drunkeness:
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[TD="class: vDispa"]And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son [is] stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; [he is] a glutton, and a drunkard. (Deutoronomy 21:20)
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For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe [a man] with rags. (Proverbs 23:21)
So apparently in God's eyes drunkenness and gluttony are equally shameful and destructive, and yet for all the sermons against drinking how seldom do we hear a word raised about gluttony?
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
The Holy Bible was written, mostly, in Hebrew (the Old Testament) and Greek (the New Testament). What do the actual original words say? Wine, or grape juice?
"And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: And he drank of the wine [i.e. yah-yin], and was drunken" (Genesis 9:20-21 KJV)
So does that mean that drinking wine was a sin, because righteous Noah (Genesis 6:9) on one occasion drank too much? No. God, for example, thereafter commanded that wine, the same substance, yah-yin, that Noah once got drunk on, be used in the holy sacrifices to Him. "Seven days thou shalt make an atonement for the altar, and sanctify it; and it shall be an altar most holy: whatsoever toucheth the altar shall be holy ... And with the one lamb a tenth deal of flour mingled with the fourth part of an hin of beaten oil; and the fourth part of an hin of wine [yah-yin] for a drink offering." (Exodus 29:37,40 KJV)
There were circumstances in the Old Testament era when consuming alcohol was prohibited, but as matter of ceremonial observance, not because alcohol itself was sinful. Consuming wine was not a sin during the Old Testament era. It was even included among the blessings of the Promised Land: "Israel then shall dwell in safety alone: the fountain of Jacob shall be upon a land of corn and wine [yah-yin]; also his heavens shall drop down dew." (Deuteronomy 33:28 KJV)
What about later, in the New Testament era; was it wine, or grape juice? The Greek word translated as "wine" in the New Testament is pronounced oy-nos which means wine, not grape juice. We know that because the word is used where people are warned not to drink to excess and get drunk from it. No such warning would be necessary if it were grape juice.
"And be not drunk with wine [oy-nos], wherein is excess" (Ephesians 5:18 KJV) "Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine [oy-nos]" (1 Timothy 3:8 KJV)
In the very same breath, Paul said to "keep thyself pure" and "use a little wine":
"Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure. Drink no longer water, but use a little wine [oy-nos] for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
The purpose of this study is not to encourage people to drink alcohol. It is intended merely to teach the Truth of what the Holy Bible says about "wine." Abusing one's self, or others, with alcohol is sinful; alcohol itself was and is not sinful.~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
The above article makes the point that drinking wine in and of itself is not sinful, but overindulging and drunkeness is.
By the same token, eating food is certainly not a sin ... and yet overindulging and gluttony is comparable to drunkeness:
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[TD="class: vRefa"][/TD]
[TD="class: vDispa"]And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son [is] stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; [he is] a glutton, and a drunkard. (Deutoronomy 21:20)
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For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe [a man] with rags. (Proverbs 23:21)
So apparently in God's eyes drunkenness and gluttony are equally shameful and destructive, and yet for all the sermons against drinking how seldom do we hear a word raised about gluttony?
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
Jews celebrate weddings with wine, not grape juice. Had Jesus turned the water into grape juice at that wedding in Cana then he'd have been the laughing stock of Galilee, a real party pooper.
Imagine being at a party, and hours into the celebration then all the booze ran out. Then someone brings in a keg of grape juice to keep the party rolling. Um, no.
..and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside [SUP]10 [/SUP]and said, “Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”
John 2:1-11 Jesus Changes Water Into Wine
Significance of wine at Jewish weddings...
Why wine??
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Imagine being at a party, and hours into the celebration then all the booze ran out. Then someone brings in a keg of grape juice to keep the party rolling. Um, no.
..and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside [SUP]10 [/SUP]and said, “Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”
John 2:1-11 Jesus Changes Water Into Wine
Significance of wine at Jewish weddings...
Why wine??
[video=youtube_share;-S32gjxnWDI]http://youtu.be/-S32gjxnWDI[/video]
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Wine, not only wine but good wine it says. That would indicate it was strong .
Wine is also symbolic of his blood. Why ? because after fermentation , all the impurities fall off to the side, and its pure.
Grape juice is not fermented and its not pure. Look up the process of fermentation online to learn more .
Wine is also symbolic of his blood. Why ? because after fermentation , all the impurities fall off to the side, and its pure.
Grape juice is not fermented and its not pure. Look up the process of fermentation online to learn more .
Drinking wine is not a sin, Getting drunk is a sin. Jesus drank wine, that is why they called Him a winebibber.
Matthew 11:18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil. [SUP]19[/SUP]The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
Epehsians 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
So then you can get drunk with wine. You can't get drunk drinking grape juice, no matter how much of it you drink.
drinking wine is not a sin, never was, never will be. Getting drunk is a sin, always has been and always will be.
The origin of wine was some 2,000 years before Jesus Christ walked the Earth, Wine has always been the stuff that can make you drunk. They were making wine two thousand years before Jesus came in the flesh to be crucified. Wine is wine. Grape juice is grape juice.
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Matthew 11:18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil. [SUP]19[/SUP]The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
Epehsians 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
So then you can get drunk with wine. You can't get drunk drinking grape juice, no matter how much of it you drink.
drinking wine is not a sin, never was, never will be. Getting drunk is a sin, always has been and always will be.
The origin of wine was some 2,000 years before Jesus Christ walked the Earth, Wine has always been the stuff that can make you drunk. They were making wine two thousand years before Jesus came in the flesh to be crucified. Wine is wine. Grape juice is grape juice.
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What about getting other people drunk or keeping them drunk ? Would that be a sin ? I cannot see how the first miracle of Jesus is to keep people partying on after wine ran out after days of drinking. The only options are it is non alcoholic wine or the scribe who wrote the account in John got it wrong. The other three gospels were right to leave it out.
Hey Drett, He drank wine with his friends in the other Gospels too. Even with dinner!! !! Remember the Last Supper and stuff.
Hey, while we're on the subject of wine and high priests. Check this out. This is great...
And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. - Gen. 14:18
Then...
Jesus has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek. - Heb 6:20
Praise God.
!! Remember the Last Supper and stuff.Hey, while we're on the subject of wine and high priests. Check this out. This is great...
And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. - Gen. 14:18
Then...
Jesus has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek. - Heb 6:20
Praise God.
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Of Course HE DID !
Mat_15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
Mar_7:15
There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
Mar_7:18
And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without
entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
Mar_7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
We must understand it our Spirit that is the child of God not our dying flesh
Mat_15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
Mar_7:15
There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
Mar_7:18
And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without
entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
Mar_7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
We must understand it our Spirit that is the child of God not our dying flesh