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I'm sorry but mythology does not exist in the bible. The Bible is spiritual in all its content. The focus of the Bible is Jesus Christ and Him Crucified. Whenever the dragon is referred to be sure it is satan. The prophets of old were inspired by the Holy Spirit to say what they said. Even Daniel said Lord I don't understand what you have shown me. The lord said it's not for you but put in a book. For in the last day's knowledge will increase and people will be going to and fro. Wow is that happening now or what
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I win.For those who know what I am saying, what a coincidence. My lesson from the Ancient Hebrew Research Center, received yesterday, touches on this very subject of the word, Tanniym. It certainly does NOT indicate any kind of pagan gods (mythology.) The Holy Spirit does satisfy the soul on these pretended, profound issues. Of course there is nothing profound nor controversial to those who read and learn in faith. (Please forgive the bold type, it will not change for me, nor the italics.)
Biblical Word of the Month - Tanniyn
By: Jeff A. Benner
In Exodus 7:10 Aaron casts Moses' staff down and it turns into a
תנין (tanniyn, Strong's
#8577). According to most English translations the staff turned into a "serpent."
However, this Hebrew word is translated a variety of different ways in different Bible
translations including; whales (KJV, Genesis 1:21), dragons (KJV, Deuteronomy 32:33),
jackals (RSV, Job 30:29) and monsters (ASV, Jeremiah 51:34).
Biblical Word of the Month - Tanniyn
By: Jeff A. Benner
In Exodus 7:10 Aaron casts Moses' staff down and it turns into a
תנין (tanniyn, Strong's
#8577). According to most English translations the staff turned into a "serpent."
However, this Hebrew word is translated a variety of different ways in different Bible
translations including; whales (KJV, Genesis 1:21), dragons (KJV, Deuteronomy 32:33),
jackals (RSV, Job 30:29) and monsters (ASV, Jeremiah 51:34).
There's plenty of references to dragons around the world in history...
Weather we're talking about Marco Polo or great Aztec Lizards there are records of great lizards all over the world.
It really seems like the bones we have today are related to those creatures.
But if you prefer the magic of the geological sciences (and some of their speculations are quite horrible, I've had not taste for it since I studied it in university) then go on believing what the that they are dinosaurs from millions of years ago. I'll stick with my history while most people will go with modern conjecture.
The names even mean the same thing, but w\e.
Weather we're talking about Marco Polo or great Aztec Lizards there are records of great lizards all over the world.
It really seems like the bones we have today are related to those creatures.
But if you prefer the magic of the geological sciences (and some of their speculations are quite horrible, I've had not taste for it since I studied it in university) then go on believing what the that they are dinosaurs from millions of years ago. I'll stick with my history while most people will go with modern conjecture.
The names even mean the same thing, but w\e.
Hello Trunkin
You have asked a very Interesting Question
First of all :
Does Science Contradict the Genesis Account?
MANY people claim that science disproves the Bible’s account of creation. But the real contradiction is between science and, not the Bible, but the opinions of so-called Christian Fundamentalists. Some of these groups falsely assert that according to the Bible, all physical creation was produced in six 24-hour days some 10,000 years ago.
The Bible, however, does not support such a conclusion creation was produced in six 24-hour days some 10,000 years ago.
. If it did, then many scientific discoveries over the past hundred years would indeed discredit the Bible. A careful study of the Bible text reveals no conflict with established scientific facts.
When Was “the Beginning”?
The Genesis account opens with the simple, powerful statement: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” (Genesis 1:1) Bible scholars agree that this verse describes an action separate from the creative days recounted from verse 3 onward. The implication is profound. According to the Bible’s opening statement, the universe, including our planet Earth, was in existence for an indefinite time before the creative days began.
Geologists estimate that the earth is approximately 4 billion years old, and astronomers calculate that the universe may be as much as 15 billion years old. Do these findings—or their potential future refinements—contradict Genesis 1:1? No. The Bible does not specify the actual age of “the heavens and the earth.” Science does not disprove the Biblical text.
How Long Were the Creative Days?
What about the length of the creative days? Were they literally 24 hours long? Some claim that because Moses—the writer of Genesis—later referred to the day that followed the six creative days as a model for the weekly Sabbath, each of the creative days must be literally 24 hours long. (Exodus 20:11) Does the wording of Genesis support this conclusion?
No, it does not. The fact is that the Hebrew word translated “day” can mean various lengths of time, not just a 24-hour period. For example, when summarizing God’s creative work, Moses refers to all six creative days as one day. (Genesis 2:4) In addition, on the first creative day, “God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night.” (Genesis 1:5) Here, only a portion of a 24-hour period is defined by the term “day.” Certainly, there is no basis in Scripture for arbitrarily stating that each creative day was 24 hours long.
How long, then, were the creative days? The wording of Genesis chapters 1 and 2 indicates that considerable lengths of time were involved.
Creations Appear Gradually
Moses wrote his account in Hebrew, and he wrote it from the perspective of a person standing on the surface of the earth. These two facts, combined with the knowledge that the universe existed before the beginning of the creative periods, or “days,” help to defuse much of the controversy surrounding the creation account. How so?
A careful consideration of the Genesis account reveals that events starting during one “day” continued into one or more of the following days. For example, before the first creative “day” started, light from the already existing sun was somehow prevented from reaching the earth’s surface, possibly by thick clouds. (Job 38:9) During the first “day,” this barrier began to clear, allowing diffused light to penetrate the atmosphere.*
On the second “day,” the atmosphere evidently continued to clear, creating a space between the thick clouds above and the ocean below. On the fourth “day,” the atmosphere had gradually cleared to such an extent that the sun and the moon were made to appear “in the expanse of the heavens.” (Genesis 1:14-16) In other words, from the perspective of a person on earth, the sun and moon began to be discernible. These events happened gradually.
The Genesis account also relates that as the atmosphere continued to clear, flying creatures—including insects and membrane-winged creatures—started to appear on the fifth “day.” However, the Bible indicates that during the sixth “day,” God was still in the process of “forming from the ground every wild beast of the field and every flying creature of the heavens.”—Genesis 2:19.
Clearly, the Bible’s language makes room for the possibility of some major events during each “day,” or creative period, to have occurred gradually rather than instantly, perhaps some of them even lasting into the following creative “days.”
You have asked a very Interesting Question
First of all :
Does Science Contradict the Genesis Account?
MANY people claim that science disproves the Bible’s account of creation. But the real contradiction is between science and, not the Bible, but the opinions of so-called Christian Fundamentalists. Some of these groups falsely assert that according to the Bible, all physical creation was produced in six 24-hour days some 10,000 years ago.
The Bible, however, does not support such a conclusion creation was produced in six 24-hour days some 10,000 years ago.
. If it did, then many scientific discoveries over the past hundred years would indeed discredit the Bible. A careful study of the Bible text reveals no conflict with established scientific facts.
When Was “the Beginning”?
The Genesis account opens with the simple, powerful statement: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” (Genesis 1:1) Bible scholars agree that this verse describes an action separate from the creative days recounted from verse 3 onward. The implication is profound. According to the Bible’s opening statement, the universe, including our planet Earth, was in existence for an indefinite time before the creative days began.
Geologists estimate that the earth is approximately 4 billion years old, and astronomers calculate that the universe may be as much as 15 billion years old. Do these findings—or their potential future refinements—contradict Genesis 1:1? No. The Bible does not specify the actual age of “the heavens and the earth.” Science does not disprove the Biblical text.
How Long Were the Creative Days?
What about the length of the creative days? Were they literally 24 hours long? Some claim that because Moses—the writer of Genesis—later referred to the day that followed the six creative days as a model for the weekly Sabbath, each of the creative days must be literally 24 hours long. (Exodus 20:11) Does the wording of Genesis support this conclusion?
No, it does not. The fact is that the Hebrew word translated “day” can mean various lengths of time, not just a 24-hour period. For example, when summarizing God’s creative work, Moses refers to all six creative days as one day. (Genesis 2:4) In addition, on the first creative day, “God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night.” (Genesis 1:5) Here, only a portion of a 24-hour period is defined by the term “day.” Certainly, there is no basis in Scripture for arbitrarily stating that each creative day was 24 hours long.
How long, then, were the creative days? The wording of Genesis chapters 1 and 2 indicates that considerable lengths of time were involved.
Creations Appear Gradually
Moses wrote his account in Hebrew, and he wrote it from the perspective of a person standing on the surface of the earth. These two facts, combined with the knowledge that the universe existed before the beginning of the creative periods, or “days,” help to defuse much of the controversy surrounding the creation account. How so?
A careful consideration of the Genesis account reveals that events starting during one “day” continued into one or more of the following days. For example, before the first creative “day” started, light from the already existing sun was somehow prevented from reaching the earth’s surface, possibly by thick clouds. (Job 38:9) During the first “day,” this barrier began to clear, allowing diffused light to penetrate the atmosphere.*
On the second “day,” the atmosphere evidently continued to clear, creating a space between the thick clouds above and the ocean below. On the fourth “day,” the atmosphere had gradually cleared to such an extent that the sun and the moon were made to appear “in the expanse of the heavens.” (Genesis 1:14-16) In other words, from the perspective of a person on earth, the sun and moon began to be discernible. These events happened gradually.
The Genesis account also relates that as the atmosphere continued to clear, flying creatures—including insects and membrane-winged creatures—started to appear on the fifth “day.” However, the Bible indicates that during the sixth “day,” God was still in the process of “forming from the ground every wild beast of the field and every flying creature of the heavens.”—Genesis 2:19.
Clearly, the Bible’s language makes room for the possibility of some major events during each “day,” or creative period, to have occurred gradually rather than instantly, perhaps some of them even lasting into the following creative “days.”
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I'm actually happy some of what I'm saying is getting through all the bull out there.: /
You really just about have it. Just some minor details are off.
And be careful with assumptions , to note if they are , because later they may need to be corrected from the Bible :
Nothing wrong with an educated guess. But if not sure. then always allow room to change that when scriptures lead. just saying.
Lucifer was not an angel : To be more specific , he was a Cherub that covers. that means a protecting Cherub.
Ezekiel 28 :
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
( Never in God's word will you hear a man, or even an angel addressed as Cherub, It was a very high position. His Job may even have been to cover, or protect Christ seat... So this was Satan's role back then before this fall I'm trying to explain.)
And you are right, God does not create this messed up , or void and empty: He creates things perfect. Like this scriptures says :
Isaiah 45:18
(KJV)
18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed itto be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.
the same word in Genesis again !. So God did not create it vain like Gen 1:2 reads. its clearly a mistranslation. If you read the Hebrew following this subject, it reads as it was destroyed in Verse 2 of Gen.1:...
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Your said God reformed the earth. what He did is destroyed everything that was on, it. His children ( not them, not their soul ) and all the cities, all that Satan polluted and deceived. So rather then kill their souls, He brought in this age of salvation, and then each of us are born, from above as Christ stated, ( properly translated ) into this world to fallow God or Satan. Christ being able to Save us from this fallen state, and return in good standing to The true, Heavenly Father, and not the fake Father. ( Antichrist Satan, the dragon: most of his names documented in Revelation 12:9)
And you pretty much have the last part right also. Satan attacked Eve and Adam, because Christ would eventually be born from those two people many generations later: through Mary.
The Leviathan and all those things, I think, I really believe He is describing the placement of the stars in the heavens, and all those other creatures like the Leviathan , are what the placements of the stars make, otherwise know as the pictures of the accent Zodiac . You can see Leviathan in the stars. if you know where its found, I never studied it. God's word written in the stars. :
Psalm 19
King James Version (KJV)
19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
The pictures of the Zodiac actually read like a picture book of God's words in the Bible, but a copy written in His stars.
When then these images in the heavens move and change place, it is teaching God's Bible About Christ, about even Satan's lies and attacks. Maybe the constellation of the picture Leviathan does represent a teaching and waring about Satan that old Dragon ( Rev. 12:9 )
Glad your opening your mind to these simple truths in God's word.
You really just about have it. Just some minor details are off.
And be careful with assumptions , to note if they are , because later they may need to be corrected from the Bible :
Nothing wrong with an educated guess. But if not sure. then always allow room to change that when scriptures lead. just saying.
Lucifer was not an angel : To be more specific , he was a Cherub that covers. that means a protecting Cherub.
Ezekiel 28 :
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
( Never in God's word will you hear a man, or even an angel addressed as Cherub, It was a very high position. His Job may even have been to cover, or protect Christ seat... So this was Satan's role back then before this fall I'm trying to explain.)
And you are right, God does not create this messed up , or void and empty: He creates things perfect. Like this scriptures says :
Isaiah 45:18
(KJV)
18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed itto be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.
the same word in Genesis again !. So God did not create it vain like Gen 1:2 reads. its clearly a mistranslation. If you read the Hebrew following this subject, it reads as it was destroyed in Verse 2 of Gen.1:...
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Your said God reformed the earth. what He did is destroyed everything that was on, it. His children ( not them, not their soul ) and all the cities, all that Satan polluted and deceived. So rather then kill their souls, He brought in this age of salvation, and then each of us are born, from above as Christ stated, ( properly translated ) into this world to fallow God or Satan. Christ being able to Save us from this fallen state, and return in good standing to The true, Heavenly Father, and not the fake Father. ( Antichrist Satan, the dragon: most of his names documented in Revelation 12:9)
And you pretty much have the last part right also. Satan attacked Eve and Adam, because Christ would eventually be born from those two people many generations later: through Mary.
The Leviathan and all those things, I think, I really believe He is describing the placement of the stars in the heavens, and all those other creatures like the Leviathan , are what the placements of the stars make, otherwise know as the pictures of the accent Zodiac . You can see Leviathan in the stars. if you know where its found, I never studied it. God's word written in the stars. :
Psalm 19
King James Version (KJV)
19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
The pictures of the Zodiac actually read like a picture book of God's words in the Bible, but a copy written in His stars.
When then these images in the heavens move and change place, it is teaching God's Bible About Christ, about even Satan's lies and attacks. Maybe the constellation of the picture Leviathan does represent a teaching and waring about Satan that old Dragon ( Rev. 12:9 )
Glad your opening your mind to these simple truths in God's word.
T
FromThe Bible says:
On the fourth “day,” the atmosphere had gradually cleared to such an extent that the sun and the moon were made to appear “in the expanse of the heavens.” (Genesis 1:14-16) In other words, from the perspective of a person on earth, the sun and moon began to be discernible. These events happened gradually.
I'm sorry. What? God created the sun and the moon in an instant, not gradually. Also, how did the sun and moon gradually appear to humans on day 4 when they were only created on day 6? You're clutching at straws, mate.
Reconciling evolution and God's Word just doesn't work but frankly the attempts to make them appear so are hilarious.
On the fourth “day,” the atmosphere had gradually cleared to such an extent that the sun and the moon were made to appear “in the expanse of the heavens.” (Genesis 1:14-16) In other words, from the perspective of a person on earth, the sun and moon began to be discernible. These events happened gradually.
I'm sorry. What? God created the sun and the moon in an instant, not gradually. Also, how did the sun and moon gradually appear to humans on day 4 when they were only created on day 6? You're clutching at straws, mate.
Reconciling evolution and God's Word just doesn't work but frankly the attempts to make them appear so are hilarious.
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TinTin , Thank you for the reply.
All that was said is that if humans were alive on day "4" that’s what it WOULD of looked like "from a perspective of a person on earth”. So just a little bit of confusion there.
2 Peter 3:8 : However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah* as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.
What I’m trying to say is that according to FACTUAL scientific evidence it is impossible to be literal days, therefore it is also logical to comprehend that it was gradual. Take notice of the above scripture like i said before the Hebrew word translated “day” can mean various lengths of time, not just a 24-hour period that scripture mentioned above is just an example of this very thing.
All that was said is that if humans were alive on day "4" that’s what it WOULD of looked like "from a perspective of a person on earth”. So just a little bit of confusion there.
2 Peter 3:8 : However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah* as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.
What I’m trying to say is that according to FACTUAL scientific evidence it is impossible to be literal days, therefore it is also logical to comprehend that it was gradual. Take notice of the above scripture like i said before the Hebrew word translated “day” can mean various lengths of time, not just a 24-hour period that scripture mentioned above is just an example of this very thing.
Insufficient data. But I have no problem with Dinosaurs pre-dating (in billions of years) Adam. And I don't have a problem with dinosaurs created just a few days before man, as part of the creation account in Genesis. I have problem with dinosaurs existing through and during the time of the creation account in Genesis. What I'm say is this, that either dinosaurs existed in billions of years before man, and then died off before the Genesis creation account or they where created in the same Genesis account....
But what about sin, evidence shows that dinosaurs had diseases and that would mean they couldn't exist before the fall. If this is the case, then how can those who died before Christ ever be saved? But we know this isn't true, the effect of Jesus' death and resurrection applies to the past, then why couldn't the effect of Adam's fall be applied to the past.
But what about sin, evidence shows that dinosaurs had diseases and that would mean they couldn't exist before the fall. If this is the case, then how can those who died before Christ ever be saved? But we know this isn't true, the effect of Jesus' death and resurrection applies to the past, then why couldn't the effect of Adam's fall be applied to the past.
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It is? you ever see a Lebanon cedar tree? How many animals do you know have a tail like that?
notice the people in the bottom right standing next to the tree how small they are. Know of many hippos with tails like this? this is the tree which grows in the middle east.. and the tree which the author which described the behemoth would have seen
notice the people in the bottom right standing next to the tree how small they are. Know of many hippos with tails like this? this is the tree which grows in the middle east.. and the tree which the author which described the behemoth would have seen
Man is an animal! Only the belief in Jesus Christ makes him special.
Ecclesiastes 3
18I also thought,
“As for men, God tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals.
19Man’s fate is
like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies
the other. All have the same breath[SUP]b[/SUP]; man has no advantage over the animal.
Everything is meaningless. 20All go to the
same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return. 21Who knows if
the spirit of man rises upward and if the spirit of the animal[SUP]c[/SUP] goes down into
the earth?”
Ecclesiastes 3
18I also thought,
“As for men, God tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals.
19Man’s fate is
like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies
the other. All have the same breath[SUP]b[/SUP]; man has no advantage over the animal.
Everything is meaningless. 20All go to the
same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return. 21Who knows if
the spirit of man rises upward and if the spirit of the animal[SUP]c[/SUP] goes down into
the earth?”
N
I believe the theory of Evolution is a lie. Why ? because God says, in every scripture, that He created;" . It never suggest that things evolved . In my opinion Evolution is a incorrect, science .
""Man starts from nothing. He begins in helplessness, ignorance, and inexperience. All his works, therefore, proceed on the principle of evolution. This principle is seen only in human affairs : from the hut to the palace ; from the canoe to the ocean liner ; from the spade and ploughshare to machines for drilling, reaping, and binding, etc. But the birds build their nests to-day as at the beginning. The moment we pass the boundary line, and enter the Divine sphere, no trace or vestige of evolution is seen. There is growth and development within, but no passing, change, or evolution out from one into another. On the other hand, all God's works are perfect. "" ( bullinger )""
""Evolution is only one of several theories invented to explain the phenomena of created things. It is admitted by all scientists that no one of these theories covers all the ground ; and the greatest claim made for Evolution, or Darwinism, is that "it covers more ground than any of the others."
The Word of God claims to cover all the ground : and the only way in which this claim is met, is by a denial of the inspiration of the Scriptures, in order to weaken it. This is the special work undertaken by so-called "Higher Criticism", which bases its conclusions on human assumptions and reasoning, instead of on the documentary evidence of manuscripts, as Textual Criticism does." ( Bullinger )""
""Man starts from nothing. He begins in helplessness, ignorance, and inexperience. All his works, therefore, proceed on the principle of evolution. This principle is seen only in human affairs : from the hut to the palace ; from the canoe to the ocean liner ; from the spade and ploughshare to machines for drilling, reaping, and binding, etc. But the birds build their nests to-day as at the beginning. The moment we pass the boundary line, and enter the Divine sphere, no trace or vestige of evolution is seen. There is growth and development within, but no passing, change, or evolution out from one into another. On the other hand, all God's works are perfect. "" ( bullinger )""
""Evolution is only one of several theories invented to explain the phenomena of created things. It is admitted by all scientists that no one of these theories covers all the ground ; and the greatest claim made for Evolution, or Darwinism, is that "it covers more ground than any of the others."
The Word of God claims to cover all the ground : and the only way in which this claim is met, is by a denial of the inspiration of the Scriptures, in order to weaken it. This is the special work undertaken by so-called "Higher Criticism", which bases its conclusions on human assumptions and reasoning, instead of on the documentary evidence of manuscripts, as Textual Criticism does." ( Bullinger )""
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I used to think they all drowned in the flood cos poor Noah couldnt fit them in his ark.Then reading the bible I "saw" the gap theory......never heard of it before in my life....but it all made perfect sense to me. Then I questioned about a big meteor hitting the earth till I read in Luke where Jesus said " I saw Satan fall like lightening". I guess him and a third of the angels hitting the deck would have made a worse mess. Also interesting at Noahs time it says that God was grieved that he had made man ON THE EARTH. Not that he had made man.