Sovereignty of God and Moral Responsibility of Man

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Time for work. At this point im not certain there is a difference.
hopefully its just my feeble mind at fault here. Lets hope:cool:
Well, I'm here to tell ya' you darn sure don't have a corner on feeble mind.
 
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You mean Biblical unbelief, right?

I mean ANY belief. but that works. How is any belief strengthened. I mean think about it, biblical Unbelief is the truth replaced by a false belief is it not? so would hardening not be strengthening that false belief? how does that work?
 
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I mean ANY belief. but that works. How is any belief strengthened. I mean think about it, biblical Unbelief is the truth replaced by a false belief is it not? so would hardening not be strengthening that false belief? how does that work?
Unregenerate man's heart is naturally hard.
It remains that way until God softens it by his grace.

All God has to do to "harden" a heart to damnation is to permanently not soften it by his grace.
 
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Unregenerate man's heart is naturally hard.
It remains that way until God softens it by his grace.

All God has to do to "harden" a heart to damnation is to permanently not soften it by his grace.
this did not answer the question.. This is just opinion,

Scripture tells us how he does it.. We can do it to ourselves. Probably have at one time or the other.

How do we strengthen our false belief?

 
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John 1

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1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the Word was made flesh-(See verses 1 through 3), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

[SUP]19 [/SUP]And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And they which were sent were of the Pharisees.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?
[SUP]26 [/SUP]John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;
[SUP]27 [/SUP]He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

[SUP]30 [/SUP]This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.

[SUP]31 [/SUP]And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;
[SUP]36 [/SUP]And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!
[SUP]37 [/SUP]And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou?
[SUP]39 [/SUP]He saith unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]One of the two which heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]Now Philip was of Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!
[SUP]48 [/SUP]Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.
[SUP]49 [/SUP]Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
[SUP]50 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.
[SUP]51 [/SUP]And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.





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this did not answer the question.. This is just opinion,
Unregenerate mankind's spiritual powerlessness is not opinion, it is fact (Ro 8:7-8).

Unregenerate mankind's slavery to sin is not opinion, it is fact (Jn 8:34; Ro 3:10).

That mankind is born spiritually dead in sin is not opinion, it is fact (Col 2:13; Eph 2:1).

That those who are slaves to sin have hardened hearts is not opinion, it is fact (Eph 2:3).

That by defninition, the spiritually powerless cannot soften their hard hearts by faith and obedience is not opinion, it is fact (Ro 8:7-8).

That only God softens the heart, and those hearts which he does not soften remain hard is not opinion, it is fact (Jn 6:44, 65).

That when he then judically hardens them, he has then declared the time for repentance is over, and they are condemned is not opinion, it is fact (Ro 11:23; Ex 4:21).

That this is the case with unbelieving Israel since the time of Christ is not opinion, it is fact (Ro 11:23).

That this is Scripture's revelation regarding hard hearts, which God then sometimes judicially hardens, is not opinion, it is fact (Ro 11:23; Ex 4:21).
 
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