GIANTS IN THE BIBLE? (Genesis 6:1-4)

Markseasigh · Mar 6, 2013

Genesis 6:1-4

KJ Version

1.
and it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2.
that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all that they chose
3.
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4.
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The term sons of god is mostly thought to be angels... though some have tried to explain away these verses as referring to the godly line of Seth from Adam. If this were true why would the KJ version say that giants were a product of the offspring of the sons of God and man... and that this is the reason for their stature. I believe that this is particularly important for explaining the 12 foot giant Goliath which King David Father of Solomon the Wise, killed with a smooth stone.

now let me for the first time ever explain the difference in scripture as far as the difference in translation between different editions of the bible.

These are the same Four verses presented from my personal library.
The prior was the KJ version of the four versicals.

The Ryrie Study Bible Expanded Edition

1.
Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them,
2.
that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.
3.
Then the LORD said, "My spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."
4.
The NEPHILIM were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

sum. well here with the Ryrie study bibe, and it is the expanded edition,, so ....
they use the actual name of the race of giants. NEPHILIM instead of the KJ version which just says giants.
However in the Ryrie Study Bible there is no mention of the giants Just the Term NEPHILIM. Which is explained after that.

HEBREW Study Bible aka (THE MEAT)

1.
When men began to increase on earth and daughters were born to them,
2.
the DIVINE BEINGS saw how beautiful the daughters of men were and took wives from among those that pleased them.
3.
The LORD said, "My breath shall not abide in man forever, since he too is flesh; let the days allowed him be one hundred and twenty years."
4.
It was then, and later too, that the NEPHILIM appeared on earth-when the DIVINE BEINGS cohabited with the daughters of men, who bore them offspring. They were heroes of old the men of renown.

Now what can be said about the MEAT well it has the Word NEPHILIM in the stead of giants.
It also uses DIVINE BEINGS in the stead of sons of God like in the KJ and Ryrie versions.

What is a NEPHILIM

The bible says very clearly in The Ryrie Study bible verse four that the NephIlim were the offspring of the sons of god. I think this is very important cause on my journey to becoming the very strong believer i am today, this passage explained where the giant goliath, the NEPHILIM, the Raphaim, and the giants with the grapes in canaan originated. I always felt the bible would one day show me where these creatures were coming from ex. Goliath. It has answered every question I have been able Think of.
So how often ARE Giants actually in the bible. well....... this is what i have found.
so far. Using KJ and Hebrew Study Bible

Numbers 13:21-24 ( Giant Grapes from a Giants Garden )
Numbers 13:31-33 ( The Giants are said to Eat People )
Deuteronomy 2:10-12 ; 2:20-23 ( The LORD and the Israel are hunting down the giants and killing them )
Deuteronomy 3:11 ( A Giant Kings bed size is given )
I Chronicles 20:5-8 ( the brother of Goliath )
I Samuel 17:4-7, 23 ( the size and weight of Goliath's armor )
II Samuel 21:15-22 ( a large man with 24 digits )
Joshua 11:21-22 ; 14:12-15 ( Anakites are the descendants of the Nephilim )

obadiah said:

This is a good question. For something to Reproduce with anther something, they basically have to be the same thing.
Ex. Horse + Donkey = Mule

But this is what the bible says, we were made in the image of God
Gen 3:26-28
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And God said, "Let us make man in our own image, after our own likeness. They shall rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, the cattle, the whole earth, and all the creeping things that creep on earth."
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And God created man in His image, iin the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
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God blessed them and God said to them, "Be fertile and increase, fill the earth and master it; and rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, and all the living things that creep on earth."

Ps these are from the Hebrew study bible but KJ says the same thing.

Gen 3:22-24

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And the LORD God said, "Now that the man has become like one of us, knowing good and bad, what if he should stretch out his hand and take also form the tree of life and eat, and live forever!"
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So the LORD God banished him from the garden of Eden, to till the soil from which he was taken.
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He drove the man out, and stationed east of the garden of Eden the cherubim and the fiery ever-turning sword , to guard the way to the tree of life.

In 3:22 the LORD God is actually concerned with man becoming god like and living forever. This eating of the tree of life is what ultimately goes down in Rev. ch 22:2-5 when man is able to eat from the tree and assume his originally GOD ordained Immortality, which he meant for us to have in the garden, but we were not spiritually developed enough to be able to live for forever. IN other words we didn't at the time of Eden possess the spiritual maturity to handle the gift of the fruit of the tree of life, or at least after we ate from the tree of wisdom and found out the difference between right and wrong.

So yes i believe that at least the watchers that fell to the earth just before the days of Noah did in fact procreate with Man's women, and the way this is possible is that their genes are close enough to ours that we can reproduce. This would mean that they would basically have to be US practically the same being.

Markseasigh · Mar 6, 2013

Now for a walk on the Wild side...

Giants, just out of the Atheist's View. Proof of the Bible's truth in their hands, and unable to realize it.

If Giants existed in the world at one time like the Bible says, shouldn’t there be some Giant people fossils? If there were giant people fossils wouldn’t that prove that there were once giants and therefore proving the Bible is truth to atheists? Or, instead would they find these fossils and say that that is the version of man a couple million years before man became human.
Well Guess what I found!!!!!!!

Homo Erectus = Nephelim (Genesis 6:1-4)

(in some cases of the class of species of homo erectus they have found very large people, with misshapen skulls.
A giant child, has been found, by scientists and is being studied. Which was a 12 year old being which walked on its back legs and was 5’ 3’’ tall. He was named the Turkana Boy, also occasionally, Nariokotome Boy is the common name, or fossil KNM-WT 15000.
This is another man’s trying to make sense of the same data, from an atheist point of view… things just aren’t adding up.
http://johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/...ctus-2010.html
The writer of this article explains that he is impressed that the homo erectus’ they have been finding are as tall as a man; he fails to mention the five foot three eight to twelve year old. KNM-WT 15000
He makes the assumption that the people whom they were finding were actually the tallest of their kind that existed, and generally that they homo erectus was a much smaller or a foot shorter on average. However this is an assumption which is contrary to the findings of the fossils in the fossil record. We have found a 5’ 3’’ homo erectus.

ON A SIDE NOTE GIANT RED HAIRED MUMMIES!!!

There were also giant mummies found in Peru. Giant red haired giant humanoid mummies, which were so well preserved, that some of their red hair was still stuck to the skull when they found them. Additionally, the skulls were misshapen because of an binding of the skull since child birth. The skulls are very full, and seem to have a great capacity of volume; the skulls are in fact twenty inches long... The volume of which was incredible in comparison to a modern mans. The skeletens of the Giants were long.
Red Haired Elongated Skull Mummy from Peru - YouTube
also in china Caucasian 4000 year old mummies.
Tall Caucasian Mummies of China - YouTube
For an interesting creationist point of view of the mummies, and a well written article see
Is Peruvian Mummy a Giant Toddler?
Researchers found the mummy near Cuzco, Peru. It is currently housed at the Ritos Andinos Museum, which is located far southeast of Lima. A hole in the mummy's skull indicates that it had a fontanel, which is an area of connective tissue atop a baby's head that later fills in with bone. Like modern babies, the skull is larger than the rest of the body. But the strangest feature is that the skull is 20 inches long, which is larger than normal adult skulls.
Yeah mummies are pretty cool huh? Let us know how people used to look around there around then. Lol
Check out the Egyptian mummies whose pictures are not usually paraded around even the Egyptian researchers. Notice the shape of King Tut’s skull. Very oblong, and abnormal. See tut here in this video link;
Egyptian mummies- not for children. - YouTube

NOW BACK TO THE KID GIANT OF HOMO ERECTUS

The child was only twelve years old and yet 5’ 3’’ tall. That is only two inches shorter than me, if he was twelve, or eight for that matter, and nearly my size; I would not want fight him once he reached adulthood. The spinal column was about the same size as a full grown man’s but the spinal nerve space was smaller in circumference than a normal man’s; he was a deformed mutated person, and is on scientific record. The young giant boy had a femur which was the sane size of a grown man’s femur, but yet the young giant’s femur was weaker and skinnier than a normal adult man’s femur.
The general thought is that he was eleven to twelve years old, although the teeth show that he may have been an 8 year old. The point is he was nearing six feet at twelve years old, and the wiki site says that he would have only grown to be about 6’ 1’’ when he matured. If he was almost a sixer when he was 8-12 years old he was going to grow into a big one. WELL OVER SIX FEET TALL. Sorry Wikipedia writers, just had to throw that out there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkana...ote-ref15000-1
Ever since Darwin has written the origin of species, the homo erectus has been searched for. There have been attempts to make this species of man seem to be ape like in appearance, and the average height of man, when actually their sculls are very receded in the forehead area; they don’t appear to ever be small creatures; one of the skulls has what appear to be scull bone growths on either side of the lower part of the skull, and a sort of extended ridge along the top of the skull. The interesting thing is that even though their bodies were big their brains and spinal cords were around the same size in comparison to man’s brain, in development and age.
It is classified under the Homo Erectus, it is supposed to be from 1.5 million “billion zillion” years ago, just like the dinosauruses ( aka. Dragons), lol. However what is strange to me, is that there have been homo erectus found, which are in the giant people range. There have been adults which are very large people found and classified as homo erectus because they walk on their back legs, this is a very interesting subject to me, being that I am searching for angels, and they are the only other things that are intelligent of speech, and walk on their back legs, and are not human. The Nephilim was the offspring of an angel and human procreation. We were created as an intelligent being. We didn’t come from these things, in fact they came from us, they are the mutated offspring of the man and angel conjoining.
Unlike most commonly conceived by the critical scientific community, these remains were in fact giant remains of a people who walked on their back legs and at maturity were from nine to twelve feet tall. They exist in the paleoanthropologist fossil record.
You see the common belief is that we started as an ape which is much smaller than we are, then got larger along with are brains, and that made us smarter!!! YAY!!! So, inevitably if you believe evolution of man from ape, than you have to expect the Homo Erectus and Missing Link to be slightly smaller in stature than us like between an ape and a man. HOWEVER ACCORDING TO THE FOSSIL RECORD THIS IS NOT THE CASE. We would have had to start small get huge and go back to small again over a long period of time. Not what is depicted here;
which is the general taught version of the evolution of man from ape to homo erectus to missing link, cause its still missing, being that we have not found it, and us.
https://www.google.com/search?q=evol...iw=785&bih=360
See if they believe a lie long enough and look at the facts, well things just don’t add up. If you believe the truth and find the facts things add up perfectly, fit together like little puzzle pieces they do.

NOW ONTO THE MISHAPEN SKULLS OF THE HOMO ERECTUS WHICH WAS APPARENTLY OUR SIZE

Tautavel Man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Tautavelensis has a great scull shape, and they were people who lived in caves. Sounds like the Greecian remembrance of giants through their mythology being that they usually lived in caves. (ex. Titan Cyclopse) The first person to find objects at the location did so during 1828. These were animal bones considered antediluvian(or pre NOAH”S FLOOD) by Marcel de Serres, a professional geologist at the University of Montpellier.[3] The Proto-Mousterian Industry tools[4] found by Jean Abélanet during 1963, initiated the beginning of the Lumley led excavations of 1964.[5]
These bones of this particular species of Homo Erectus is interesting to me because they have the very strange shaped buy yet same sized skull as us, and they are basically the same height as we are, yet they are thrown into the same group of species. Very strange to me, these remains seem to be one million years younger than the 12 year old.
Most of the science channel specials don’t like to word that they were a giant race of people that we supposedly came from. Instead whenever the picture of our evolution is displayed we are coming from a small ape creature to a larger missing links to the eventual largest human man. This is quite contrary to the actual fossil findings.

From Wikipedia-
• Anthropologists Alan Walker and Richard Leakey in 1993 estimated the boy to have been about 11–12 years old based on known rates of bone maturity.[5][nb 1]
• Christopher Dean (M. C. Dean) of University College London, in a Nova special, stated that Turkana Boy was 8 years old at death.[6][7] Alan Walker and Richard Leakey, though, explain that dental dating often gives younger than actual ages.[8][nb 2]
• Ronda Graves and colleagues in the most recent review of the problems involved conclude that he would "have grown an additional five to 14 cm before reaching adulthood" and that "if, at death, he was eight to ten years of age, [he would have been] 154 cm tall, and growing faster than a modern human but slower than a chimpanzee. According to this scenario, KNM-WT 15000 would have attained an adult stature ranging between 159 cm and 168 cm." Moreover that "according to our preferred models of growth and development, [his] growth in stature [would have been] completed by 12 years of age (4 years after death), so that the majority of growth has already occurred.[3]

SUMMARY

So, knowing that we didn’t evolve from ape like beings we have to take a look at the species who have been found who appear to be Homo Erectus. I believe that I can prove that the early people that they have found walking around on their back legs were in fact a giant people; and that the fossils of giants were found right along side people of our stature, and animals which have remained unchanged to this day (ex. hippopotamus), which are the same animals we have today and are unchanged. We can begin looking at these fossil findings in a new light, the light of truth.

PRAISE JAH!!! FOR GOD IS WORTHY OF PRAISE!!!

loveme1 · Mar 6, 2013

I think the most wonderful thing we learn from the Bible is that God is Good and Wonderful and Love and is calling His people Home through His Son the Messiah.

It is not knowing all things but Trusting in Him that knows all things.

Always remember your First Love.

Markseasigh · Mar 6, 2013

Knowledge of All things can only lead to the Truth. IT can only lead to God.

If they found Giants bones, they proved the Bible, not evolution.

Don't you agree?

loveme1 · Mar 6, 2013

Markseasigh said:

They would still find an "explanation" it would lead to more "theories"....

i don't see to believe but believe to see.

JLHillsSr · Mar 6, 2013

Being the offspring of the sons of God, i.e. the fallen, they had great stature. This is what is meant. These were men with great abilities. Gigantism could be from this but is not the only "benefit" to be had.

Nautilus · Mar 6, 2013

Except wouldnt all these nephilim have died during the flood? I dont think they are ever mentioned in the bible again, thus leading me to believe they were wiped out then which means goliath was just freakishly tall and not half angel...

Elizabeth619 · Mar 6, 2013

Ok, I am not going to read all the OP typed. Way too long... can someone just tell me if this is a thread about angels and humans having relations and the offspring was the nephilum?

Nautilus · Mar 6, 2013

Elizabeth619 said:

yes exactly

Elizabeth619 · Mar 6, 2013

Nautilus said:

Oh dear....

Markseasigh · Mar 6, 2013

Nautilus said:

Actually, I had the same question once. They were somehow preserved, at least some of them during the flood, cause here they are again several times. Plus they are the ancestors of Goliath of Gath, the Giant King David Killed with a sling.

Numbers 13:21-24 ( Giant Grapes from a Giants Garden )
Numbers 13:31-33 ( The Giants are said to Eat People )
Deuteronomy 2:10-12 ; 2:20-23 ( The LORD and the Israel are hunting down the giants and killing them )
Deuteronomy 3:11 ( A Giant Kings bed size is given )
I Chronicles 20:5-8 ( the brother of Goliath )
I Samuel 17:4-7, 23 ( the size and weight of Goliath's armor )
II Samuel 21:15-22 ( a large man with 24 digits )
Joshua 11:21-22 ; 14:12-15 ( Anakites are the descendants of the Nephilim )

plus these are all verses, which mention the Nephelim's descendants later on in the Biblical work.

Markseasigh · Mar 6, 2013

Now keep in mind that these Offspring were not Reptillian, this is the lie about the nephilim which is being portrayed to the masses that find Genesis 6:1-4. The Bible would have mentioned if they had reptilian characteristics, this is just a lie that Goes along with the serpent seed doctrine.

a false Doctrine.
Based on Lies.

The Reptilian theory is also a false doctrine not biblically based. I am here to lay to rest all false doctrines that mimic the truth.
It would have been bibically based if The sons of god that fell from heaven in Genesis 6:1-4 were a reptilian race of aliens...
However they were not a reptilian race of aliens, because in Genesis 6:4 it says we reproduced with the angels that came here. How could a Reptilian being Procreate with man?
For an creature of god to procreate with another they must be about the same thing.
(ex. Horse + Donkey = Mule) not a version of either parent but an mutated through reproduction offspring.

Ex of mutated offspring as a direct result of the Genesis 6 incident

So how often ARE Giants actually in the bible. well....... this is what i have found.
so far. Using KJ and Hebrew Study Bible

Numbers 13:21-24 ( Giant Grapes from a Giants Garden )
Numbers 13:31-33 ( The Giants are said to Eat People )
Deuteronomy 2:10-12 ; 2:20-23 ( The LORD and the Israel are hunting down the giants and killing them )
Deuteronomy 3:11 ( A Giant Kings bed size is given )
I Chronicles 20:5-8 ( the brother of Goliath )
I Samuel 17:4-7, 23 ( the size and weight of Goliath's armor )
II Samuel 21:15-22 ( a large man with 24 digits )
Joshua 11:21-22 ; 14:12-15 ( Anakites are the descendants of the Nephilim )
Gen 6:1-7 ( The conception of the Nephilim )
Enoch 1

RachelBibleStudent · Mar 6, 2013

the bible never says that the nephilim were the offspring of the sons of God and daughters of men...it just says that the nephilim were on the earth in the days when the sons of God and daughters of men were marrying and having children...

Markseasigh · Mar 6, 2013

RachelBibleStudent said:

Gen 6:1 KJV - And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Gen 6:2 KJV - That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Gen 6:3 KJV - And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Gen 6:4 KJV - There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.

WHAT DOES THIS SAY?

Nautilus · Mar 6, 2013

im trying to understand what relevance this has to anything...

Elizabeth619 · Mar 6, 2013

Nautilus said:

Im trying to understand alot. But dont. One thing I DO understand is that angels... they have no gender....so "mating" with an angel would be as effective as trying to mate with a potato.

Markseasigh · Mar 6, 2013

Elizabeth619 said:

ah c, the problem is that is assumed truth. the Bible in fact only says they don't perform the marriage ceremony. as in the giving of the daughter in marriage by the father.

Instead of the Bible saying that angels can't or don't reproduce, it says that they do reproduce, in fact they reproduced with us through natural reproduction processes.

the reason I'm bringing this to light, is the fact that there are so many reptilian alien people that think that satan was in eden and had relations with eve which made the Nephelim. when in fact it was angels that didn't include satan, and they fell just before noahs flood. in fact this is most of the reason that God flooded the earth. other than mans sin abounded at that time also.

djness · Mar 6, 2013

I used to think that it was impossible for angels to mate with humans. Although I never believed they were genderless because they are always referred to as male. It was pointed out to me that each reference in the bible using the term sons of God in that particular wording is about angels.
So there is that.

RachelBibleStudent · Mar 6, 2013

Markseasigh said:

it says exactly what i said...there were nephilim ('giants') in the earth in the days when the sons of God were marrying the daughters of men and having children with them...

it still does not say that the nephilim were those children that the sons of God and daughters of men were having...

RachelBibleStudent · Mar 6, 2013

Elizabeth619 said:

angels most likely don't even have DNA or actual physical bodies...so 'mating' with an angel would really be more like trying to mate with air...

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