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cjsbigmomma

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I know we are not to question God, and please don't think I am trying to pick things apart, but I really need help in understanding a few things.

1. God is the alpha and omega; he was is and will be...so why is Sarah rewarded with her son Isaac and Hagar with Ishmael, when Ishmael's line gives rise to the Muslim faith which seeks to destroy Christians? Am I really that ignorant in these matters?

2. God created all. Where did Satan begin?

More to come as I continue my studies.
 
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Because Abraham received a promise from God to be given a son. Abraham grew impatient and took it upon himself to get a son, so he slept with a servant. Deviating from Gods plan. Out of Abraham's disobedience and lack of trust in God, the consequence was the birth of Ishamel and all that followed.
Isaac wasn't a reward after the fact, he was a promise God gave. And He delivered, on His time. God will give us what He promises, but we can't try to make ourselves make it happen, we have to wait on Gods time.

Lucifer was an angel in heaven. He was the greatest of all angels, most beautiful, and actually a master musician. Like all angels, Lucifer had a point of creation. He eventually became prideful in himself and wanted to replace God. God eventually put down this rebellion, along with the angels that chose to follow Lucifer. Lucifer and his followers were cast out of heaven and to earth, and Lucifer lost his name, and became Satan. Though to my knowledge there is no specific mention of a name change, the chronology of events seems to support the idea.
 
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I know we are not to question God, and please don't think I am trying to pick things apart, but I really need help in understanding a few things.

1. God is the alpha and omega; he was is and will be...so why is Sarah rewarded with her son Isaac and Hagar with Ishmael, when Ishmael's line gives rise to the Muslim faith which seeks to destroy Christians? Am I really that ignorant in these matters?

2. God created all. Where did Satan begin?

More to come as I continue my studies.
Welll firstly, it is those who God has WROUGHT with that see him as the true God.

QUESTIONING God is no sin. In fact, it helps us determine what is the real God, against us, whom are made in his image, and what is false. Usually if something feels a bit 'funny', it's best to question it. I was taught to question EVERYTHING and figure out what it really means.

Secondly, God created Satan. And originally, he is seen as 'adversary', not 'pure evil, being of torture'.

All things are made for the eventual glory of God.

Thirdly, God MADE COVENANTS WITH ISRAEL AND WITH ISHMAEL.

You see, A religion only destroys when its roots are 'uprooted', so to speak.

The christian faith has had this problem for hundreds if not over a thousand years. Death, destruction, inquisition, torture, murder, all in the name of 'an image of God'.

Yet, God says 'When I have wrought with you for MY NAME'S SAKE, then you shall know at that time that I AM THE GOD'

It means, when he has come to change our perspective on him, and 'wrestle' with us for the sake of HIS NAME (his reputation), then we shall realize the true God.
 
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Cj'smom, Here is a short vrsion of the Bible and God's will.

God created the world, with the element of evil for only ONE REASON.... For every spirit that he will create to make a FREE CHOICE where they want to spend eternity.

You see MOM, God made the heavens and He resided there with Jesus and all the holy angels. Then some of the angels rebelled against God, and God will NEVER allow it again in HIS KINGDOM. So he made an earth (world) where he will give ALL spirits a chance to chose their destiny.... Hell or heaven.

And to PROVE their choice God will make some evil people here on earth VERY RICH, and ALL holy people will be persecuted here on earth, but even that will be an honor for them, FOR HIS NAME SAKE....


Look at Paul, how he saw every lash he recieved because of Jesus's Name, as a profit and a honour. Even death he considered GAIN! Because God was worthy. That is how "different" God's people are. They suffer for His Name, and they think it is a GAIN not a LOSS... WOW! They Truly are weird people for an earthling.

I hope this will make you think just how SPECIAL God is. Remember one thing Paul said... The sufferings they recieve here on earth does not even come close in comparison, of the GLORY AND PEACE they will have in heaven. I believe him, because i have a strong suspision GOD SHOWED HIM THIRD HEAVEN... PARADISE.

How can God execute this holy plan if there were no evil and evil people on earth? Nope he had to do this to execute the CHOICE for all spirits.
 
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I know we are not to question God, and please don't think I am trying to pick things apart, but I really need help in understanding a few things.

1. God is the alpha and omega; he was is and will be...so why is Sarah rewarded with her son Isaac and Hagar with Ishmael, when Ishmael's line gives rise to the Muslim faith which seeks to destroy Christians? Am I really that ignorant in these matters?

2. God created all. Where did Satan begin?

More to come as I continue my studies.

Just be sure you and your family are walking in the faith, and what a real saint is before you ponder the deeper stuff!

A Saint or an aint?

Joh 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow(obey) Me.

Either you are one or the other, no such things as a sinning saint! A saint is walking in the present tense with Christ, being obedient, pure in heart and deed, and listening to His voice, then they follow Him on the narrow road. Luke 9-23-24.

Luke 9:23 And He said to all, If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow Me.
Luke 9:24 For whoever will save his life shall lose it, but whoever will lose his life for My sake, he shall save it.

A real saint as described in the Bible has crucified his flesh with Christ, Galatians 2-20,

Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, and I live; yet no longer I, but Christ lives in me. And that life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith(obedience) toward the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself on my behalf.


Once and for all, hence I have been crucified, and thus they now walk in newness of life, 2 Corinthians 5-17.

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold all things are become new.


Cleansed and purified of all willful sin, through a real repentance and faith. 2 Corinthians 7-10-11.

2Co 7:10 For the grief according to God works repentance to salvation, not to be regretted, but the grief of the world works out death.
2Co 7:11 For behold this same thing (you being grieved according to God); how much it worked out earnestness in you; but also defense; but also indignation; but also fear; but also desire; but also zeal; but also vengeance! In everything you approved yourselves to be clear (pure) in the matter.



They must remain diligent and faithful to the truth, obey from the heart, and keep themselves undefiled from the world and its false ways! 1 John 2-15-17.

1Jn 2:15 Do not love the world, nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him,
1Jn 2:16 because all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1Jn 2:17 And the world passes away, and the lust of it, but he who does the will of God abides forever.



You are not a saint without actually doing the works of righteousness(doing what is right) Jesus didn’t obey for you, but made a way, through His bold example for us to follow, He said His sheep follow Him and His steps and ways, which leads to eternal life. But sadly most churches teaches Jesus did it all for them, He took their place, and a real Christian is actually a sinner, but called a saint because they believe in Jesus!

Rom 8:4 So that the righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

It’s simple, obedience matters, those who count the cost and endure to the end will inherit eternal life, as you walk in the spirit, and not the flesh, walking as Jesus walked, in sincerity, purity and love!

A real saint will not be perfect as some think perfection is( as perfect as God) BUT will be living the crucified life, that only comes through repentance and faith both proven by deeds! And these deeds include obeying Jesus from the heart, abstaining from all appearances of evil, departing from iniquity, counting the cost, and most of all, crucifying your flesh with Christ once and for all, not because He did it for you, but because He commands you to do it, and a real saint will never argue in favor of sin!

Gal 5:24 But those belonging to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Tommy

Many will say this way is too difficult, and will come up with many excuses why they can’t obey and follow Jesus on the narrow road, but Jesus made it perfectly clear when He said, strive to enter the narrow gate, where the professing church says, it’s done for you, you cannot obey God, and to fear Him isn't important, just believe all is done, you do nothing but trust it has been done for you! Does this sound like the narrow way Jesus preached in the word?

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
 

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I know we are not to question God, and please don't think I am trying to pick things apart, but I really need help in understanding a few things.

1. God is the alpha and omega; he was is and will be...so why is Sarah rewarded with her son Isaac and Hagar with Ishmael, when Ishmael's line gives rise to the Muslim faith which seeks to destroy Christians? Am I really that ignorant in these matters?

2. God created all. Where did Satan begin?

More to come as I continue my studies.
Read the Bible Old and New Testament from start to finish.

Much is revealed throughout the Bible.
 
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nathan3

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I know we are not to question God, and please don't think I am trying to pick things apart, but I really need help in understanding a few things.

1. God is the alpha and omega; he was is and will be...so why is Sarah rewarded with her son Isaac and Hagar with Ishmael, when Ishmael's line gives rise to the Muslim faith which seeks to destroy Christians? Am I really that ignorant in these matters?

2. God created all. Where did Satan begin?

More to come as I continue my studies.

2 Satan was Created by God, Ezekiel 28: ) king tyrus: before his fall, price after his fall )

Satan was created when we all were in Gen 1: ... By gen 2 because of Satan and the 1' 3rd's sin, recorded in ( Rev 12:3-4 ) That brought about the distruction of the world age that was ( Jeremiah 4: 21-27 ) recorded in Gen1:"2" in the Hebrew, use a Strong concordance to study that, often taught of the apostles ( 2 Peter 3 : "earth standing in the water and out" many other places.. worlds;=age in greek ) .

Then God rejuvinates the earth in the 6 days, after that destruction; And brings in this age of Salvation through Christ.

1 I have not studied the line of peoples and where Islamic peoples originate . But rest assured God has a plan that has to play out as He says, and as its written.

If you want to talk in greater detail then what I mentioned here, ( because there is much more details about this )we can talk more later. We can cover more scripture, in chat even. Keep studying The Words of God.
 
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sarai told abraham to sleep with hagar..

two covenant: one with the free woman and one with the bondwoman: they are foreshadows of the two covenants God made with those circumcised of the heart and those who only have the outwardly flesh signs. those who wait for the Promise of eternal life and those who settle for prosperity and wealth in this world.

Satan was a serpent that was cast out of heaven with 1/3 of the angels who rebelled against God. Revelation 12. does it matter when he was created? it doesn't change the fact he is now an enemy to God and all His children.

you will get a lot of answers from the forums. my suggestion is to pray and read your bible.
 
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"Look at Paul, how he saw every lash he recieved because of Jesus's Name, as a profit and a honour. Even death he considered GAIN! Because God was worthy. That is how "different" God's people are. They suffer for His Name, and they think it is a GAIN not a LOSS... WOW! They Truly are weird people for an earthling." -Cobus


in other words, we (the children of God) are the freaks of nature. lol i love it<3
 
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cjsbigmomma

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I am working on that and have made it almost to the end of 1 Sam. (I am a slow reader and have difficulty with comprehension.) :)
 
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Because Abraham received a promise from God to be given a son. Abraham grew impatient and took it upon himself to get a son, so he slept with a servant. Deviating from Gods plan. Out of Abraham's disobedience and lack of trust in God, the consequence was the birth of Ishamel and all that followed.
Isaac wasn't a reward after the fact, he was a promise God gave. And He delivered, on His time. God will give us what He promises, but we can't try to make ourselves make it happen, we have to wait on Gods time.

Lucifer was an angel in heaven. He was the greatest of all angels, most beautiful, and actually a master musician. Like all angels, Lucifer had a point of creation. He eventually became prideful in himself and wanted to replace God. God eventually put down this rebellion, along with the angels that chose to follow Lucifer. Lucifer and his followers were cast out of heaven and to earth, and Lucifer lost his name, and became Satan. Though to my knowledge there is no specific mention of a name change, the chronology of events seems to support the idea.



Ok if Satan was an Angel Im sure you can show us where in the bible it says that and if you reply with Ezekiel 28 I think you must reread that chapter
 

loveme1

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I am working on that and have made it almost to the end of 1 Sam. (I am a slow reader and have difficulty with comprehension.) :)
Enjoy my friend it is the most wonderful amazing Book ever :)
 

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Ok if Satan was an Angel Im sure you can show us where in the bible it says that and if you reply with Ezekiel 28 I think you must reread that chapter
soo you think god decided to create evil for no reason? he only created free will.

why would God want to create an evil being?

[SUP]12 [/SUP]How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

isiah 14:12 kjv... NIV watered this verse down and practically change this..
 
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I know we are not to question God, and please don't think I am trying to pick things apart, but I really need help in understanding a few things.

1. God is the alpha and omega; he was is and will be...so why is Sarah rewarded with her son Isaac and Hagar with Ishmael, when Ishmael's line gives rise to the Muslim faith which seeks to destroy Christians? Am I really that ignorant in these matters?

2. God created all. Where did Satan begin?

More to come as I continue my studies.
1. We all have free will (ie the fall of man in the paradise)
2. Free will again who is your worst enemy you are? I believe in an powerful almighty GOD if John 3:16 is true
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
If God loves us so much why would he allow a powerful spirit to terrorize us and why are people judged individually in Revelations chap 20. We are our own Devils was eve talking to a snake why didnt she ask the snake how could it talk? Because Eve was in search of her own glory wanting to be like GOD we all do the same untill we truly devote ourselves back to GOD. Ego, Pride, Lust etc are all sins because it prevents us from keeping our attention on GOD. Noticed whenever there is a test of faith the "devil" sort of appears?
 
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soo you think god decided to create evil for no reason? he only created free will.

why would God want to create an evil being?

[SUP]12 [/SUP]How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

isiah 14:12 kjv... NIV watered this verse down and practically change this..
Quoting one scripture is not context please read the complete chapter
 
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soo you think god decided to create evil for no reason? he only created free will.

why would God want to create an evil being?

[SUP]12 [/SUP]How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

isiah 14:12 kjv... NIV watered this verse down and practically change this..
Isaiah 14:16
They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the MAN that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

So is or was the "devil" ever a MAN?
 

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I know we are not to question God, and please don't think I am trying to pick things apart, but I really need help in understanding a few things.
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1. God is the alpha and omega; he was is and will be...so why is Sarah rewarded with her son Isaac and Hagar with Ishmael, when Ishmael's line gives rise to the Muslim faith which seeks to destroy Christians? Am I really that ignorant in these matters?

The begining and ending of him making the the earth and us Humans, for God actually is like a complete circle no begining and ending God is forever. Issaac and Hagar The free Woman and the Bond Woman. Are we not in this world with evil all around us? there are Tares (weeds) amongst the wheat. Why it shows exactly as here I an not sure. for it says cast out the Bond woman from the free woman. There was rivalry between the two. And today I am glad that this has been dealt with in the new Covenant for Christ went to the cross for all peoples at first it was for the first Chosen in the line of Issaac, but has come over to all peoples if they will have Faith in Christ that by the death he freed us from Law (actually) the Jews were freed form the Law it was never given to the Gentiles or any other race. and the Gentiles and other races took on the Law big mistake, for it is by Faith we are saved, not of works lest any man them boast So through todays new covenant all that in the Old Testament has been fulfilled that is what Christ came to do was and did fulfill the Law and Prophets Matt. 5:17. the Bond and free Woman from God the Father's vantage point has been reconciled by the Son. Now Father is just waiting for belief to give each and every one that beleives new life in him recieving his type of Love as in 1 cor 13
2. God created all. Where did Satan begin?

As an Arch Angel, being a lot knowing from God a lot, so much that he convinced a a third of the Angels that he was and is God,Therefore he has been kicked out of Heaven and Judged John 16 says this that he has been judged dealt with, today the dealing is getting others to see the light by the Holy Ghost

More to come as I continue my studies.
Have a great day each and every day in Christ moment by moment day by day, it is called a present being in the present and staying there
 

homwardbound

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I am working on that and have made it almost to the end of 1 Sam. (I am a slow reader and have difficulty with comprehension.) :)
If you have already come to belief in Christ you have the Holy Ghost in you
[h=3]Ephesians 1:13[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]13 [/SUP]And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
therefore God in you is your teacher
Hebrews 8:11-12
and they will be my people.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”
1 Corinthians 2:13
This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words
1 Peter 2:2Like newborn babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow up in your salvation,

And this is what you are doing, sift all through your heart where the Holy Ghost now resides to seperate truth from error continue to read and grow
 

homwardbound

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Isaiah 14:16
They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the MAN that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

So is or was the "devil" ever a MAN?
Who knows or cares it was Adam and Eve that were beguiled and ate and that is when they became aware that they were naked. The beguiling has been going on ever since for man looks at the tree of evil as having good in it because man adopted that this tree of evil is the knowledge of good and evil. Bologna!!!!! it is evil period there is no good in it the only good that was still in the garden was the tree of life (Jesus Christ) and this tree was guarded until the day of Christ at the cross, where he condemned all sin to the flesh and destroyed the tree of evil so that we can die to flesh in the spirit of our minds and come alive in the Spirit of Christ reborn of incorruptible seed